Three times in the last few months I tied in a Duel game. The message I get is something like, "No one wins! No one loses!", which is not true. In fact, we both lose. Because we advance based on the number of games we win, if we both get 0 (as opposed to 1), then we both lose, especially as we cannot replay the game (with different questions, different opponents, or both). Two suggestions:

1) For a tie, have both contestants win; i.e., award one game to each. This would be a fairly simple code change, and would be a positive experience, rather than a negative one. Besides, tieing is rare, so you should get something for it!

2) A more accurate, but more difficult to implement, solution would be to award neither, but make the match not count. In other words, deduct 1 from the number of games played. Thus, if I tied on one game, I could still play five games that day (or all, if a Gold Member), and try to pick up a win.

There is "something". You get a badgelet the first time you tie.

It is a philosophical point on the rest because yes the system only tracks wins so for tracking..ties and losses both drop down a well so to speak and vanish and if you are only concerned with advancent points it is effectively the same as a loss.

On a game by game basis though you did not lose..you tied. The idea of giving win credit to both players seems just as "broken" to me as the current way. Whether it is a one point loss or an exact tie there is still going to be that frustrating near miss point where you did almost well enough to win, but didn't make it.

a redo has its own issues. The second player may not always hang around to wait for aresult so they might not know they get to go again. Minor point but I understand the end goal here is fairness and that isnt. Yes if is the same either way for them because the result is no win in that match buf...why should player A get a redo whioe ppager B does notbecause they didnt notice they had tied...or player B was finishing for the day and left before the resultcame in while player A was just starting theirFT session? And even if they do bth play it is highly unlikely they play each other. Suppose player A gets someone just as lukewarm on Manga as they were (and maybe ties again, uh oh) while player B draws somene who sleeps in Manga jammies and ends up the top scorer of the day....doesnt seem a fair tiebreak.

I am not so concerned with the alleged injustice of no one getting a point for a tie because of how arbitrary it all is. This is not a televised Olympic match for fame and glory nor is it run on an even playing field. You dont see the same questions, play with same hardware, etc...so if you could both time travel and play it over ten times, it probably would not tie again even once and very likely would have a margin of victory over 50 points a few times.

I wonder if there is a way to make the "Tied" mini badge one that could be upgraded. That might take out the sting for a while if your ties could eventually lead to a "Tier 7" at 100 wins or so.

Failing that, perhaps there would be a way to count a tie as half a win and half a loss. Admittedly, I don't know that much about coding, so I don't know if that's a complex change or not. However, I think that is how some sports leagues count ties in terms of figuring out making it to the playoffs/ranking within the playoffs.

I'm not in favour of a rematch, especially because the first player is not likely to perceive the tie mulligan.
Tying has given several players the inspiration to whine about the programming, and various "solutions" (most of them quite unpractical such as the redo) have been proposed. But if you lose by a narrow margin (say 982 to 983), you're diappointed too - and this while you evidently lost.

Hmmm... Didn't remember the badgelet; I probably got it when I was active about 10 years ago!

You're right that the other point is philosophical, but my idea of a redo isn't necessarily with the same person. Sure, I could get someone who is just as [fill-in-the-blank] as the person I just tied, but that's part of the randomness of the game (which I don't understand, either, but that's not what I was posting about!). I don't think it's unfair if one tier (tie-er) redoes and the other doesn't - that, again, is part of the random nature of the game. Letting a tier replay just gives that specific person a chance to win; certainly there's no guarantee.

You're also right that this is not part of the Olympics (televised or not), nor is it highly consistent in other ways. It was just that after my third tie in a relatively short time, I thought there might be a better way to look at ties. If FT makes a change, great. If not, my world will not come crashing down around my shoulders!

"I wonder if there is a way to make the "Tied" mini badge one that could be upgraded. That might take out the sting for a while if your ties could eventually lead to a "Tier 7" at 100 wins or so."

Yes, we can do that.

Actually, I'm more disappointed when I get, say, 990 points, and lose to someone who gets 995! I think anyone who gets above 980 or so should win (doesn't seem to work that way, though). In case you're wondering, no I'm definitely not suggestesting this change. As I alluded to earlier, I don't understand how people are paired up in the first place. Sometimes, if I'm doing well in a quiz and then miss one (or certainly two), I'll throw another question or two to get a lower score, because then I seem to be paired with a weaker player, and usually have a better chance of winning. That's probably not the way the game is supposed to work, but it seems to work for me!

I would like a tie upgrade! Just passed 600 ties a few days ago! :-)

Are the ties going to counted as little bow ties on the current badge? Okay, I guess not. Adding decor to the space available on a mini badge isn't feasible. It would look cute though.

"All tied up" is at the top of my list for tie-r graphics. I'll try to make it special even with the limited space

Sneak preview:

If you're looking for extra revenue for FT, maybe you can use a small picture of a specific orange laundry detergent bottle. Hey - product placement works in the movies!

Unfortunately there is no historic data for ties, so these upgrades will not be retroactive. They will be awarded as of the date the upgrades are added.

Hmm those last ones look like just white splotches on my monitor... Maybe a more subtle fade?

I didn't really want to reveal much about the 5th and above (The above image is not the actual badgelets but a rather... foggy... preview. The future just isn't always revealing itself!)

Grab the real things in the usual place and install them.

Today would be a very good day to start with the upgrade.

Ooooh, different knots for each upgrade! Very cute and Thank you, Wesley!!

I too have found that I am more likely to win the duels that I do poorly in, and lose the ones in which I've scored highly.
It's really disappointing, and frankly tiresome.

I get an inversion like that is frustrating but there are certain categories where "everyone" seems to d well so much so that doing well or poorly is a relative term. A score of 950+ in a category where the site average is 900+... is arguably less impressive than scoring 650 in a category where the site average is 400

I still fail to see, and have done ever since Duel first started, why in the event of a tie, the "spoils" cannot be shared in the same manner as m any sports matches. What is so difficult about awarding HALF POINT to each player in event of a tie? As it is, no matter HOW good a score you and your opponent post, you both LOSE!

Tied Mini Badges may be very nice......but IMO they are not the answer.......awarding half point in such cases would be............but I live in hope rather than expectation.

Agreed. Each player should be awarded 0.5

Just wondering what happened with this idea of making the Tied badge upgradeable? Has it been shelved?

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Play a quiz and get matched up against one other player. Whoever scores the most points wins!

If it is a tie, for example 954-954 then 954 is the most points scored, both players have scored the most points(954), therefore both should win!

Neither team won on Sunday between the Eagles and Bengals.

EXCELLENT - All Tied Up Challenge is live!

Thank you.