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#1240879 - Fri Aug 23 2019 11:17 AM Re: ATTN: TEAM VS TEAM STATS
Terry Offline
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Sneak peak:

** THE DATA ON THIS CHART IS INCORRECT. It is based on the current month's "team size division" rankings. When this goes live, you will be ranked vs the teams in your own league. But, I'm posting this because I think it gives a good taste of what's coming. **

https://www.funtrivia.com/templates/teamlist.cfm

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#1240880 - Fri Aug 23 2019 12:08 PM Re: ATTN: TEAM VS TEAM STATS
Dagny1 Offline
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Originally Posted By: Terry

Each "Team Info" page will have the "TVT League" scoreboard for your current league (A,B,C,or D) at the very top, showing which games are being counted this month, what your rank is in each game vs those in your league, and what the total ranking is for your league.


Yea, glad it's going back to the top! It seems even more important to be there with the swapping of games monthly.

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#1240881 - Fri Aug 23 2019 12:12 PM Re: ATTN: TEAM VS TEAM STATS
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Is that chart meant to include all active teams? If so, mine (The Lost Connection), seems to have been lost...

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#1240882 - Fri Aug 23 2019 12:18 PM Re: ATTN: TEAM VS TEAM STATS
Terry Offline
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Originally Posted By: spanishliz
Is that chart meant to include all active teams? If so, mine (The Lost Connection), seems to have been lost...


It's there now. Division D stats are particularly messed up since the rankings aren't against Division D teams yet.


Edited by Terry (Fri Aug 23 2019 12:19 PM)

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#1240883 - Fri Aug 23 2019 12:44 PM Re: ATTN: TEAM VS TEAM STATS
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Ah, thanks Terry! Division D has grown a lot since I posted my question smile

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#1240908 - Fri Aug 23 2019 03:32 PM Re: ATTN: TEAM VS TEAM STATS
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This looks really exciting! I particularly like the variety of games - I can put up with a month of Fill Me In, knowing that I just might fluke a score that contributes to the team standing, but knowing I was doomed to face it forever could make me start dreading the time I dedicate to team games. Broadening the skill sets involved (over time) without increasing the number of games is a clever solution.
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#1240909 - Fri Aug 23 2019 03:38 PM Re: ATTN: TEAM VS TEAM STATS
Dagny1 Offline
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Originally Posted By: looney_tunes
Broadening the skill sets involved (over time) without increasing the number of games is a clever solution.


It is! We were just talking about how our individual weaknesses are someone else's strength.

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#1240916 - Fri Aug 23 2019 04:31 PM Re: ATTN: TEAM VS TEAM STATS
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That looks cool, as long as Looney starts practising her FMI skills right now.

Though herding the Joli Llamas into different games each month... make my life easy why dontcha?! grin
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#1240919 - Fri Aug 23 2019 05:32 PM Re: ATTN: TEAM VS TEAM STATS
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I may have missed this, but will points be recorded if only one or two people on a team play one of the games?

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#1240921 - Fri Aug 23 2019 06:07 PM Re: ATTN: TEAM VS TEAM STATS
Terry Offline
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2 active team members are needed to rank on a league scoreboard. 1 scoring in any game will earn points, although you won’t be able to score very well. 4-5 is a good number to play competitively in league D

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#1240927 - Fri Aug 23 2019 06:42 PM Re: ATTN: TEAM VS TEAM STATS
Terry Offline
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Top 10 scores per team per game count in League A
Top 8 league B
Top 6 league C
Top 4 league D

Clearly as your team moves into higher leagues you will want at least that many players actively playing to be competitive. A 4 player team can certainly be competitive every month in League D. If they bumped up to C they might have trouble holding their own since 6+ player teams will max out scoring opps.

10 active players will allow you to be theoretically competitive across all leagues.


Edited by Terry (Fri Aug 23 2019 06:44 PM)

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#1240928 - Fri Aug 23 2019 07:17 PM Re: ATTN: TEAM VS TEAM STATS
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At present, on a good day for many of the teams, Heroes scores average about 1000-1400, and TvT about the same for the team points. Do we have some idea of how many team points will be awarded each day under the new system?

And what will become of the Top 5 'badges' that are currently in use?

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#1240948 - Sat Aug 24 2019 12:05 AM Re: ATTN: TEAM VS TEAM STATS
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We'll be looking into awarding a comparable amount of team points after the transition, although adjusting everything may take a few days beyond the 1st.

Those old Roman numeral plaques will probably be retired, there are shiny new league cups to be had for the top 5 in the new one.
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#1240952 - Sat Aug 24 2019 01:03 AM Re: ATTN: TEAM VS TEAM STATS
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I would like add my voice in favor of keeping TvT. It's the only game in which every score counts, and that means something. I would hate to see it go.
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#1240968 - Sat Aug 24 2019 07:18 AM Re: ATTN: TEAM VS TEAM STATS
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Team Faithful and True will be glad to see TvT go, because we encourage all players to participate in every game they have time to play, and because we sometimes struggle to get six players. Often TvT is our only game out of the top ten or top twenty, but it's important to our team ethos never to exclude an individual player from any game.

On the other hand, we are a diverse team in terms of skills. A good number of our players will welcome higher level games like Obscurity, but we have one valued player (the founder of our team) who is a whiz at Piece of Cake, and Mixed Hourly has become our signature game, thanks to the dedication of another active player. We pride ourselves on welcoming players of all levels and points of view, and we celebrate individual achievements across the board. While it makes sense not to require the D league to play the hard hourly game, inclusive teams like ours would do best if all three of the current hourly games remain in the rotation for the top tiers.

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#1240970 - Sat Aug 24 2019 07:38 AM Re: ATTN: TEAM VS TEAM STATS
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Originally Posted By: Terry

[ And yes... I am going to kill off "The TVT game". It is now obsolete, has unfun scoring, duplicates the daily game, and it's time for it to bid adieu.


If any game was going to be bid adieu, I thought it would have been FITB. It took a lot of criticism and was overlooked for inclusion in any team rankings. After it was revamped, I lost total interest. It used to be one of my favourites but I don't remember the last time I even had a Daily challenge for it. According to the temporary standings, some larger teams with many active members don't have one player scoring.
I'd support removing the FITB game entirely.

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#1240971 - Sat Aug 24 2019 07:51 AM Re: ATTN: TEAM VS TEAM STATS
spanishliz Offline
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Originally Posted By: ssabreman
Originally Posted By: Terry

[ And yes... I am going to kill off "The TVT game". It is now obsolete, has unfun scoring, duplicates the daily game, and it's time for it to bid adieu.


If any game was going to be bid adieu, I thought it would have been FITB. It took a lot of criticism and was overlooked for inclusion in any team rankings. After it was revamped, I lost total interest. It used to be one of my favourites but I don't remember the last time I even had a Daily challenge for it. According to the temporary standings, some larger teams with many active members don't have one player scoring.
I'd support removing the FITB game entirely.


Some people (like me) enjoy playing the FITB game just for the fun of it. I'd hate to see it go completely.

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#1240972 - Sat Aug 24 2019 08:26 AM Re: ATTN: TEAM VS TEAM STATS
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Terry, if you are considering the choice of Fill in the Blank and any other game for team rankings, please choose any other game.

The repeated over the years requests by Hairy Bear to use FITB as a team ranked game because it isn't played as much as other hourly games is illogical. Perhaps a few more people would play FITB to up their team's rankings. But is users of this website don't like the game, they won't play it.

If Team vs. Team is to be retired will the amount of points needed for upgrades on the Team Magnate be changed?

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#1240975 - Sat Aug 24 2019 09:02 AM Re: ATTN: TEAM VS TEAM STATS
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Bad thinking. I haven't been playing FITB for years now because there was nothing to be gained from doing so. I couldn't get any more badges and it didn't add to the team's score, so why bother? As a team game, I will go back to playing it regularly. I'm sure a lot of others will as well.

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#1240992 - Sat Aug 24 2019 10:29 AM Re: ATTN: TEAM VS TEAM STATS
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I know I'm crying in the wilderness, but the FITB game is close to being my favourite of all the possible games. It is the one I go to when asked to "finish in the top (whatever)" for a challenge, and the one I play for fun if I just have a few minutes to pass. Whether it is used for team scores or not I don't mind. I'd just like it to remain available to play for those of us who enjoy playing it.

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#1240994 - Sat Aug 24 2019 10:43 AM Re: ATTN: TEAM VS TEAM STATS
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I am also a big fan of FITB and don't want it to disappear. Yes, I recall saying earlier that it might not be the best choice for team vs team scoring, but the rotating system takes care of that problem nicely.

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#1240995 - Sat Aug 24 2019 10:44 AM Re: ATTN: TEAM VS TEAM STATS
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Some points:

1. "The TVT Game" will be phased out. Thanks for the thoughts on this, but the decision has been made.

2. No need to worry about the side-effects of this happening. "Team Points" will be added to other things to match the current rate of team point acquisition.

Other side effects like stage games will also be taken care of.

This will happen after the new "TVT Leagues" are up and running. So for September the "TVT Game" will run as usual, but without being part of the new system. October it will disappear.

3. Pretty much ALL of our games will have "TVT ranks" calculated for them. BUT -- just because a game is ranked team-wise, does not necessarily mean it will be in the rotation for the "TVT Leagues".

The system is extremely flexible. We can throw FITB into the rotation for the higher leagues, and if more people like it than not we can keep it. Otherwise we can yank it. That's the beauty of the "only some games are chosen" -- we can change that lineup, retire games, add new ones, etc, and the "TVT League" system takes it all in stride.

We can also come up with other meta-games (triathlon, daily challenges, etc etc) that could be used as component "games" in the rankings. The sky's the limit.

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#1240997 - Sat Aug 24 2019 12:25 PM Re: ATTN: TEAM VS TEAM STATS
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My only concern is that for the top division, having the top 10 games count seems a little high. A lot of the teams in that top 20 have just around 20 active players and needing 10 of them play each day may seem like a lot. Maybe only have the top 8 games count for the top division? Could be something like division A is top 8, Division B is top 7, Divison C is top 6, and Division D is top 4.

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#1241005 - Sat Aug 24 2019 01:49 PM Re: ATTN: TEAM VS TEAM STATS
Terry Offline
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That was my concern too. The last thing I want is burnout. Having too few and more anticipation is the better outcome.

I’d be curious what others think about the number of games that should be used per month in the top division. It is 9 right now but Im open to lowering it.

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#1241010 - Sat Aug 24 2019 02:29 PM Re: ATTN: TEAM VS TEAM STATS
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I was actually most talking about the number of scores that count for each team. For Division A, each team can have up to 10 players scoring. That seems high considering a handful of the teams in that divison don’t even have 20 active players. I think that should be lowered. I’m fine with the number of games being played at 10 games. But I think only a teams top 8 scores should count if in Division A, not a teams top 10 scores.

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