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#1274789 - Sat Oct 10 2020 06:38 AM Re: New Badges / Tiers Announcements and Discussion
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Hmmm... I'd start it lower and add some serious tiers. How about

T1 - 2,500
T2 - 5,000
T3 - 10,000
Z4 - 15,000
T5 - 22,500
T6 - 30,000
T7 - 40,000

That would place the top two players right now in T5, everyone else at 4 and below.

Anyone got a good name for it? It should confer both "fantasy" and "long" - my first idea was "Neverending story", but that's not quite it.
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#1274794 - Sat Oct 10 2020 06:48 AM Re: New Badges / Tiers Announcements and Discussion
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Fantastic Odyssey. The Odyssey took ten years - seems about right.
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#1274796 - Sat Oct 10 2020 08:40 AM Re: New Badges / Tiers Announcements and Discussion
gme24 Offline
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Originally Posted By: Terry
ADDED: Tiers for Duel's "All Tied Up"

Tier 1 - scored 1 ties in FunTrivia Duel (8324 players)
Tier 2 - scored 5 ties in FunTrivia Duel (0 players)
Tier 3 - scored 20 ties in FunTrivia Duel (0 players)
Tier 4 - scored 60 ties in FunTrivia Duel (0 players)
Tier 5 - scored 150 ties in FunTrivia Duel (0 players)
Tier 6 - scored 300 ties in FunTrivia Duel (0 players)
Tier 7 - scored 500 ties in FunTrivia Duel (0 players)

** We weren't keeping count over 1 tie, so this cannot be retroactive. All previous winners of the badge have credit for 1 tie as of 10/8/2020.


This is one of my pet hates because it is unfair to both players.
Hope that I don't advance very far!

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#1274902 - Sun Oct 11 2020 11:05 PM Re: New Badges / Tiers Announcements and Discussion
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Originally Posted By: WesleyCrusher
There is an advantage to playing late as it is right now. If you know the winning score is 15 in 41 seconds, you know you need to be faster than that, so you can adjust your pace accordingly while with a current top of 76 seconds, you might play more cautiously to ensure you get all of them right.

However, in the 20+ years FunTrivia has been around, I haven't seen this as a major factor. Most good players play at any time during the hour, whenever they come online and can catch a game. It may seem that late plays dominate, but that's a rather different effect. If I come on, I will usually check the games first. Now if, at that time, I notice a favorable category in Expert, Smartest or Piece of Cake with just a few minutes to go, I will obviously play that one first in order not to miss it. So, over all my good scores in those games, a higher proportion will be in late minutes than in early ones. But that has nothing to do with sniping / pouncing - it's coming online and being forced to play that game NOW or miss a good category.

Personally, the only game I regularly check scores for before playing is Heroes - but for that one, I don't look at the overall scores but rather at those of my team. Do we have a good run already? In that case I can go all in and try for a massive point haul - a cautious game would not help us any. If my teammates had a lousy run and no one managed a decent score, I'll play more cautiously and try to get at least *something* on the board instead of another dud. But that's only looking at my teammates, not the opposition.

By the way, if "Leader of the Pack" is to be a thing, I would like to make it more pronounced, but not limit it to any particular game. The criteria would be "Be the first player to submit an hourly game and have that score win the hour". First on the board, never beaten. This also makes it less about clock watching - you get a chance or two every 15 minutes.


I really like the idea of Leader of the Pack. I do think that sniping in the last few minutes of the Expert game in particular is prevalent and benefits those that wait. I've done it as a strategy mechanism before. The only real benefit of playing early as of now is that you win in the event of a tied score. I've recommended before hiding player scores on hourly games until after the game is finished to discourage sniping. With a Leader of the Pack type badge I'd like to see it upgradable and have it implemented where it'll go to any winning player that submits their hourly game within the first minute the game is available. That way it guarantees a sub-60 second time and doesn't punish someone for submitting their game 2 seconds after someone else with a 1 second better time.

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#1274932 - Mon Oct 12 2020 05:30 AM Re: New Badges / Tiers Announcements and Discussion
MiraJane Offline
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"Sniping"? Seriously?

I often play hourly games in the last few minutes of the game. It has nothing to do with me thinking "Aha! Someone is in the lead with a score I can beat! I'm going to swoop in and get the win before anyone else can beat me!". If I play in the last few minutes of a game it is because that is when I notice it is a topic I want to play.

Hiding scores is an especially bad idea for the Expert game. It would make the Mulligan perk useless to even try to use. How would someone even know if they have a chance of maybe beating a score and winning with their once a week Mulligan perk if they don't know what score they have to beat?

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#1274934 - Mon Oct 12 2020 06:16 AM Re: New Badges / Tiers Announcements and Discussion
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I've rarely used the mulligan to win a game - definitely not one I already had the champ win for. When I use it, it's because I misclicked on a good opportunity to get a top team score. If I mess up a "Spelling Bee" or "Alphabetics" round that I want to snag up a league score with, mulligan time.

I do believe that there is actually little motivation to regularly snipe in Expert unless you're a griefer player who wants to deny others the joy of winning. There is no "win X games" badge, there is only "Win the champ division in X topics". That one means once you have won a particular topic, you never need to win it again. If you want to do best for team points, you can play any time - you don't know the scores of the rest of the day anyway. If you want ELO, playing a bit more cautiously and always finishing near the top will help more than a record that is 75% wins and 25% smashing losses. If you just want to prove to yourself that you're the best at topic X, might as well play early and try to improve your personal record instead of looking at the current #1.


Edited by WesleyCrusher (Mon Oct 12 2020 06:17 AM)
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#1275060 - Tue Oct 13 2020 02:27 PM Re: New Badges / Tiers Announcements and Discussion
Terry Offline
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Go check out the new "Challenge Tower". The old one was a little claustrophobic and disorganized.

The new one will allow you to sort and filter challenges on a heap of different criteria. Hope you like it... I certainly can't go back to the old one myself!

Thanks to Wes for tagging challenges with attributes.

https://www.funtrivia.com/mychallenges.cfm


Edited by Terry (Tue Oct 13 2020 02:27 PM)

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#1275061 - Tue Oct 13 2020 02:49 PM Re: New Badges / Tiers Announcements and Discussion
WesleyCrusher Offline

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Quick note - those tags were added at quite a quick speed, so there are probably a handful of oversights or misclicks across those 300+ challenges. Please PM me if you notice something that you think is amiss and I'll look at it. Please do NOT make a public post - some assignments are inherently borderline and could trigger endless discussions with neither option really better. So let's avoid that smile )

If you have a suggestion for a new and useful tag that I missed, please DO reply in this thread however. If it's not immediately obvious, I would appreciate a few examples of what would be in and maybe one or two "just doesn't qualify" so I get a better idea what you are aiming at!


Edited by WesleyCrusher (Tue Oct 13 2020 02:53 PM)
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#1275064 - Tue Oct 13 2020 05:03 PM Re: New Badges / Tiers Announcements and Discussion
Dagny1 Offline
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Wow! Outstanding, love it. Great job, thank you Terry and Wes.

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#1275098 - Wed Oct 14 2020 08:35 AM Re: New Badges / Tiers Announcements and Discussion
eyhung Offline
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There's a slight bug with the new Challenge Tower and pinned challenges. When you pin a challenge, and then go to the pinned challenge in the regular list and try to expand the tiers, it doesn't expand there, but at the top where it's pinned.

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#1275110 - Wed Oct 14 2020 10:50 AM Re: New Badges / Tiers Announcements and Discussion
Terry Offline
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Originally Posted By: eyhung
There's a slight bug with the new Challenge Tower and pinned challenges. When you pin a challenge, and then go to the pinned challenge in the regular list and try to expand the tiers, it doesn't expand there, but at the top where it's pinned.

Fixed

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#1275111 - Wed Oct 14 2020 11:34 AM Re: New Badges / Tiers Announcements and Discussion
Terry Offline
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Added "The Biggest Slice"

Tier 1 - get the overall highest score in Piece of Cake in 1 category (1 player)
Tier 2 - get the overall highest score in Piece of Cake in 2 categories (0 players)
Tier 3 - get the overall highest score in Piece of Cake in 3 categories (0 players)
Tier 4 - get the overall highest score in Piece of Cake in 4 categories (0 players)
Tier 5 - get the overall highest score in Piece of Cake in 5 categories (0 players)
Tier 6 - get the overall highest score in Piece of Cake in 6 categories (0 players)
Tier 7 - get the overall highest score in Piece of Cake in 7 categories (0 players)

McDubb wins the first one!


Edited by Terry (Wed Oct 14 2020 11:37 AM)

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#1275112 - Wed Oct 14 2020 11:46 AM Re: New Badges / Tiers Announcements and Discussion
MiraJane Offline
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Originally Posted By: Terry
Added "The Biggest Slice"

McDubb wins the first one!



Congrats, McDubb.

Terry, the info for the badge needs to be added to Piece of Cake Game Details. I doubt I'll ever win this badge but it is one that has been missing from the hourlies.

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#1275129 - Wed Oct 14 2020 02:41 PM Re: New Badges / Tiers Announcements and Discussion
WesleyCrusher Offline

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Whoops... what's that? A trap door at the bottom of the Prismatic Staircase? 20 new flights of stairs there? Shining in all colors and then some? Where will they lead you once the scaffolds and protective mats have been removed?


Edited by WesleyCrusher (Wed Oct 14 2020 02:42 PM)
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#1275135 - Wed Oct 14 2020 05:10 PM Re: New Badges / Tiers Announcements and Discussion
Terry Offline
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Twenty new authoring minis!

I have sent out awards for the World category ("Emissary")

Will be doing some final checks to make sure it awarded correctly, and the rest of the categories will be awarded tomorrow if all is good.


Edited by Terry (Wed Oct 14 2020 05:20 PM)

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#1275137 - Wed Oct 14 2020 05:49 PM Re: New Badges / Tiers Announcements and Discussion
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Please note that we might still shift the tiers on these. The base level will most likely stay, but the higher ranks are still up for review once I see the full stats for all categories - after all they are of quite different size and the scale will have to work for all of them.
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#1275138 - Wed Oct 14 2020 06:10 PM Re: New Badges / Tiers Announcements and Discussion
Julia103 Offline
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The description on Author Rainbow: Sleuth has a typo (unless you're trying to play games with us since that one is for Brain Teasers):
"But that alone won't be enough to qualify you as a Seluth." (s/b Sleuth)

The links in the mail messages about winning new badges and/or minis go to the list with the old formatting: https://www.funtrivia.com/challenges.cfm, not to the new tower: https://www.funtrivia.com/mychallenges.cfm
Is that on purpose, or just something that hasn't been updated yet?

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#1275139 - Wed Oct 14 2020 06:30 PM Re: New Badges / Tiers Announcements and Discussion
kyleisalive Online   FT-cool
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Lol-- I was one quiz off from 30 in World.
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#1275140 - Wed Oct 14 2020 07:07 PM Re: New Badges / Tiers Announcements and Discussion
Creedy Offline
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Oh - my - goodness - all those new challenges and the new style page. It's amazing!

And all that hard work setting it up. Thank you, FT!

I've died and gone to trivia heaven smilee
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#1275143 - Wed Oct 14 2020 08:10 PM Re: New Badges / Tiers Announcements and Discussion
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Just a bit bummed Duel tie isn't completely retroactive since so far, I have had 553 ties!! :-)

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#1275153 - Wed Oct 14 2020 09:01 PM Re: New Badges / Tiers Announcements and Discussion
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I presume we get all our other author type new badges when there's time to check who's done what? I must have done 30 in the majority of them, but certainly 2 at least. So I'll check again tomorrow.

I've been given just the one so far - 30 + in the World. Didn't realise I'd done that many so it was a nice surprise laugh
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#1275158 - Wed Oct 14 2020 11:15 PM Re: New Badges / Tiers Announcements and Discussion
Terry Offline
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Yep only one has been awarded so far. We are still putting finishing touches on requirements, etc for the tiers.

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#1275175 - Thu Oct 15 2020 02:29 AM Re: New Badges / Tiers Announcements and Discussion
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I've done the data crunch and the tiers from 2nd to 7th will all be shifted upwards a bit.

Some of you (myself included smile ) will wind up a tier lower on Emissary than you have now. However, for all but the 6th and 7th, you'll be able to make it up with just one or two quizzes.
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#1275176 - Thu Oct 15 2020 02:47 AM Re: New Badges / Tiers Announcements and Discussion
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I can't figure out if this is where I should post this.
Why can't I put the challenges into alphabetical order anymore?
I found that made it easy to see which badges I needed to go for in specific areas. Now, it appears that the only way to get the list is to go through each difficulty level. Is there a way to put them into alphabetical order that I am not seeing? And if there isn't, would you please consider putting it back? Thank you.

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#1275177 - Thu Oct 15 2020 02:51 AM Re: New Badges / Tiers Announcements and Discussion
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It's not currently implemented, although Terry might be able to put it back.

If you're looking for specific kinds of badges, the new tags should however let you narrow down more easily than an alphabetical sorting. While alphabeticals put some sets together, e.g. the "Point ..." series, others (Author, Prolific Author, Super Author, Epic Author) don't wind up anywhere close together. Using the tags, you should be able to narrow down your view pretty quickly (and if there's a need for more criteria - that system is easily extendable to add more tags).


Edited by WesleyCrusher (Thu Oct 15 2020 02:52 AM)
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