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#1268634 - Sat Jul 04 2020 08:47 AM Re: Team vs Team
moonraker2 Offline
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Originally Posted By: Terry
Good news: Wesley came up with a schedule of games for division A which changes every month, and keeps things fresh. I have added it to the scheduler so each month it will now follow the schedule. Hopefully the monthly tvt game selection woes are now behind us.


That's good to hear, many thanks Terry, and of course Wesley for his sterling work!
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#1268640 - Sat Jul 04 2020 09:13 AM Re: Team vs Team
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Quick survey for players in leagues B to D: Would you also like to have a curated rotation for your divisions? It would be somewhat different than the A league rotation of course with some of the more specialized games appearing less frequently than the more generic ones - but it would let them show up once or twice a year (we've so far avoided some of the most specialized games in C and D).
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#1268644 - Sat Jul 04 2020 09:42 AM Re: Team vs Team
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Originally Posted By: WesleyCrusher
Quick survey for players in leagues B to D: Would you also like to have a curated rotation for your divisions? It would be somewhat different than the A league rotation of course with some of the more specialized games appearing less frequently than the more generic ones - but it would let them show up once or twice a year (we've so far avoided some of the most specialized games in C and D).


Speaking on behalf of myself, I would like to see a curated rotation for Div B. It can be disheartening to struggle through a game for a month, thinking there's an end in sight, only to see it re-appear for the following month. cry
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#1268645 - Sat Jul 04 2020 09:53 AM Re: Team vs Team
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At least in B, there would still have to be the occasional repeat unless the game were to essentially switch back and forth between two configurations. There are 11 non-GM games to fill 60 slots with. But it wouldn't be more than one repeat from one month to the next and certainly no 3 in a row (I actually managed to avoid the latter for A as well).
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#1268646 - Sat Jul 04 2020 10:19 AM Re: Team vs Team
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Originally Posted By: postcards2go
Originally Posted By: WesleyCrusher
Quick survey for players in leagues B to D: Would you also like to have a curated rotation for your divisions? It would be somewhat different than the A league rotation of course with some of the more specialized games appearing less frequently than the more generic ones - but it would let them show up once or twice a year (we've so far avoided some of the most specialized games in C and D).


Speaking on behalf of myself, I would like to see a curated rotation for Div B. It can be disheartening to struggle through a game for a month, thinking there's an end in sight, only to see it re-appear for the following month. cry


I wholeheartedly agree with Postie on this!

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#1268653 - Sat Jul 04 2020 01:47 PM Re: Team vs Team
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I'd love to see some of the more "interesting" games turn up in Division D once in awhile.

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#1268665 - Sat Jul 04 2020 04:39 PM Re: Team vs Team
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Originally Posted By: WesleyCrusher
Quick survey for players in leagues B to D: Would you also like to have a curated rotation for your divisions? It would be somewhat different than the A league rotation of course with some of the more specialized games appearing less frequently than the more generic ones - but it would let them show up once or twice a year (we've so far avoided some of the most specialized games in C and D).


Yes, please! I'm weary of word wizard and new question in League C. I'd love to see fill in the blank or Expert in C once in a while. Throw us some harder games. And maybe for C do one month with a gold member game, one month without. Some teams suffer in earning points there due to simply not having (m)any active gold members playing.

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#1268692 - Sun Jul 05 2020 08:09 AM Re: Team vs Team
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I'm not sure what is meant by "curated", but I agree with Stonecreek that I'm tired of Word Wizard in League C and would like to see Expert. I have mixed feelings about FITB. And I'm frustrated with the hourly easy game because the highest scores will always be the people who can type or navigate faster or who have faster internet connections, not necessarily the people who know the topic best.

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#1268696 - Sun Jul 05 2020 09:52 AM Re: Team vs Team
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A curated rotation is a fixed setup for each month of the year instead of random games, designed to give a different experience from month to month but the same for every year (i.e. August 2020's lineup will repeat exactly in August 2021).

The sets I am currently assembling have the following characteristics (we might still fine-tune them some):

A League will see every free game 6 or 7 times a year with the more difficult games getting an extra slot; each GM game appears 3 times. The maximum number of repeats (not counting Heroes which is always active) from one month to the next is 2.
B League sees every free game 5 or 6 times; the easier / more general games get an extra round. Pot of Gold gets an extra slot in the GM games (World Quiz gets one fewer). Usually one repeat game from each month to the next (never more).
C League can see all the games, but with varying frequency. Favorites such as Daily and 50/50 have six appearances, specialized games such as Who am I and Mind Melt as few as 2. Nine out of twelve months have a GM game with Pot of Gold being significantly more frequent than the harder games. Maximum one repeat in consecutive months (this was actually the hardest one to make work).
D League will always see two out of Daily, Hourly Mixed and Piece of Cake and one out of Smartest and 50/50. The last game can be more or less anything; only two of the twelve months have a GM game (one each of Pot of Gold and Obscurity).

In all leagues, no game can appear more often than twice in a row. No GM game repeats in two directly consecutive months.


Edited by WesleyCrusher (Sun Jul 05 2020 11:32 AM)
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#1268717 - Sun Jul 05 2020 11:52 AM Re: Team vs Team
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Thanks for the effort, Wesley. I'm thinking you can ultimately submit a logic puzzle for this :-)

If you really want to add to your challenge, try put in some of the same restrictions regarding repeats for teams that get promoted or demoted each month (runs away before Wesley can attack me with a blunt object!)

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#1268719 - Sun Jul 05 2020 12:01 PM Re: Team vs Team
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Actually, I could have done that relatively easily at least for the top 3 leagues and it would likely have been less work than what I did. I could effectively have derived the B and C schedules by cutting down the A one and then possibly switching a few things around.

However I actually wanted the schedules to feel different and in their combination cover most of the games in each month. Synchronized schedules would lead to some overcrowded and some underused games, negatively affectng the individual awards (which would then be much easier in some months than others).

Three completely independent rotations avoid that problem - and yes, a team moving leagues could see two very similar months in a row. Or even three if you were to start a free-fall from A to C at the end of November smile


Edited by WesleyCrusher (Sun Jul 05 2020 12:02 PM)
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#1268957 - Wed Jul 08 2020 11:18 AM Re: Team vs Team
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Thanks Wes for this effort.
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#1268958 - Wed Jul 08 2020 11:20 AM Re: Team vs Team
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I will always vote for the free for all! laugh
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#1269004 - Wed Jul 08 2020 07:32 PM Re: Team vs Team
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And different teams have different strengths, anyway. My team got killed last month because there were so many easy games in our league, and we're just not fast enough for those. We do much better with hard games.

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