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#1256966 - Fri Jan 31 2020 12:24 AM Re: Knockout Ties
MiraJane Offline
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How often do ties occur in Knockout? Are there several a week? Dozens? Two? I had one tie playing Knockout. I lost that day. Yes, it is annoying when you lose not due to how you play but where you name is listed.

But if ties in Knockout do not happen on a frequent basis I don't see the need for an overhaul of the game.

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#1256986 - Fri Jan 31 2020 01:53 AM Re: Knockout Ties
nasty_liar Offline
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Originally Posted By: andymuenz
That is true that going with more precision will lead to fewer ties, but it still doesn't mean there will be no ties so some method of tiebreaking is necessary, especially in KO's.


But don’t you all see that if the KO game scored to hundredths of a second like the easy game then the number of ties would then become infinitesimal? So the system for resolving the tie would not require changing.

In the easy game ties are now rare enough and that’s with dozens of players playing a ten question game over the course of an hour. In KO only TWO players play the same game so there would be practically no ties and no overhaul required.

In fact the display could be the same. Look at easy game. The score is still shown as the whole number but the time is shown to 2 d.p. So you would see the tie as, say, 1800-1800 but you would know that the winner had scored more when timed to the hundredth of a second.

As usual, I don’t see the reticence of some to discuss improving a game. In this case just because ties are rare. Ok, so it’s rare! But that doesn’t mean finding a way to either make them even less rare or tiebreak them more fairly isn’t a good thing to do! If Terry says, “you know what, it would be real hard to implement a timer change my time is better spent on more visible site improvements this is way down the priority list”, then that would be fine.

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#1257007 - Fri Jan 31 2020 06:52 AM Re: Knockout Ties
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"If Terry says, “you know what, it would be real hard to implement a timer change my time is better spent on more visible site improvements this is way down the priority list”, then that would be fine."


Yep!

I think so too. smile

...I mean either way is fine with me. Change it or not. I'll still play the same way I always do.
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#1257020 - Fri Jan 31 2020 01:03 PM Re: Knockout Ties
nasty_liar Offline
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Originally Posted By: DireWolf74
"If Terry says, “you know what, it would be real hard to implement a timer change my time is better spent on more visible site improvements this is way down the priority list”, then that would be fine."


Yep!

I think so too. smile

...I mean either way is fine with me. Change it or not. I'll still play the same way I always do.


I’ve been trying to play it more myself. I actually made it to the semi final this week but forgot to play yesterday!! I’m just not used to still being in it by Thursday! I think that’s why I forgot.

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#1257021 - Fri Jan 31 2020 01:26 PM Re: Knockout Ties
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Either I do really well and win or I'm out right away.

Pick one. laugh
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#1257044 - Fri Jan 31 2020 03:15 PM Re: Knockout Ties
nasty_liar Offline
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I think I’ve just reminded myself of the reason that regardless of how accurate the timer is the top player needs to advance in the event of a tie....

The double no show.

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#1257051 - Fri Jan 31 2020 05:23 PM Re: Knockout Ties
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Originally Posted By: nasty_liar
I think I’ve just reminded myself of the reason that regardless of how accurate the timer is the top player needs to advance in the event of a tie....

The double no show.

I've never seen that - but I don't actually spend any time looking around, just play my set if I am still in, then go on to the rest of my planned activities. I don't even usually check to see how much I won by (or lost by if I am out), so could have been involved in a lot of ties without even being aware of it.

If both players don't show, they should both be eliminated, which would give someone a walkover in the next round. Of course, that's problematic in the final round, but I would be amazed if both final players didn't make it. And this would probably take some significant programming that is not warranted for the (I expect)very rare occurrences.
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