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#1272847 - Sat Sep 05 2020 04:23 PM Re: Teams Looking For Members
WesleyCrusher Offline

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We cannot reproduce your issue, regardless of what is being tried. Since the data of the actual posts is lost - the posts were deleted and we do not have logs of team joins / leaves - there is no way we can do further investigations.

gtho4 has tested that it is not normally possible for a non-leader to post on the recruiting board.

Bottom line: We don't know what happened, we have no way to find out. It's not an obvious exploit, however.
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#1272848 - Sat Sep 05 2020 04:24 PM Re: Teams Looking For Members
looney_tunes Offline
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The post shows the name of your team while they are on your team. Possibly they did in fact set up a team of their own, make a recruitment post, then come back to your team. Convoluted, but it would mean they had posted a message which stayed, and the name then changed to show their current team, yours - it is not information they enter, it is read by the system to see what team the poster is on.
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#1272850 - Sat Sep 05 2020 05:10 PM Re: Teams Looking For Members
WesleyCrusher Offline

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I've suggested that before but Iva is pretty adamant they made that post WHILE they were on his team. gtho's test pretty much proved that to be impossible, but since we do not have complete logs, we wouldn't know.

The second instance could probably be explained with a simple "post made before joining" - the member was entirely new and there was very little time. We only know that the date of joining Iva's team was the same as the post's - we don't have the times.

For the first instance, if Iva is 100% certain the member hasn't left and rejoined the team, there's no explanation. It's however not "anyone can randomly post" since that one was checked and it didn't work.

If someone wants to deep test (it would have to be someone NOT team leader and ideally not an editor just to avoid any side effects), it could be interesting to try this, all in quick succession:

1) Leave your team
2) Make your own team
3) Make a recruiting post
4) Disband the new team
5) Rejoin your actual team
6) Check the team page to see if the list of latest joins shows your name.

If that sequence of actions succeeds (you do NOT get listed in step 6), it would explain how a member could create such a post without the privileges to do so. (It would also be pretty much impossible to stop this from happening if someone really wanted to go through this).


Edited by WesleyCrusher (Sat Sep 05 2020 05:15 PM)
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#1272860 - Sun Sep 06 2020 08:58 AM Re: Teams Looking For Members
flopsymopsy Offline

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Registered: Sat May 17 2008
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I think the mystery is solved. There is another message on the recruiting board that appears to be from a team member who is not the team leader. However, I happen to know that the team member concerned did start his own team at one point and that he did try to recruit members via the recruiting board - but when that didn't work out, he joined another team and it now looks as though he's posted a message for his second team whereas in fact he didn't, when he posted that message he was still leader of his own team. (The irony here is that it looks as though the newbie member has bypassed the team leader ... who happens to be Terry!)

What the system has done is change the name of the team in the right hand column to reflect the current team of the person posting. If a team leader leaves or disbands their team and then joins another team as an "ordinary" member the message stays the same but the team name in the right hand column changes. This also affects teams where the leader posts a recruitment message and then the team changes its name (there are two messages like that on the board at present).

I think the initial confusion with the two messages for Iva9Brain's team arose because neither message mentioned a team name (unless "Whoot! Whoot!" was a team name) and they were both fairly innocuous "join my team" messages so when the members switched teams and the system changed their current team automatically, it looked as though they were recruiting for their new team even though at the time they posted they weren't.

So in a way everyone is right. It did look as though two non-leaders had slipped through to post messages promoting Iva9Brain's team so she was right to query it, the system does however only allow team leaders to post recruitment messages so gtho4 was rightly rejected when he tried to test the system, and Wesley was also right - if posts are made when someone is a team leader and then they go elsewhere, the system will allow the message but then change the team name on the right.

All of which leads me to conclude that no one was doing anything malicious or intentionally deceitful, nor was anyone trying to bypass a team leader. Instead we have two players who when they were team leaders posted recruitment messages for their teams, weeks or months apart, and when that didn't work out they left or disbanded those teams and joined another. It only looked odd because they both joined the same team which is just a coincidence.
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#1272881 - Sun Sep 06 2020 06:03 PM Re: Teams Looking For Members
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That was fascinating! Glad to see that All is Well at FT!
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#1272911 - Mon Sep 07 2020 02:02 AM Re: Teams Looking For Members
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My sincere thanks to everyone who helped solve what was to me a rather disturbing occurrence.

Special thanks to flopsy - she knows why.
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