Expert topic this hour is Famous People and it has me in the Champ division but there is no Famous People topic under my list of Expert wins on my profile. This is obviously an irregularity in the game which may be due to a topic name changing over the years. That is my guess anyway. I think that USA or USA - Cities also has a similar thing happening. I think the topic appearing in Expert as USA (Geography) is actually listed on our profiles as USA - Cities but I don't remember exactly. So does anyone know what Famous People actually is?

I think it was probably Famous Women when you won it. That category no longer exists as a separate entity.

I checked and it’s Rich and Famous. Is there any way to resolve that? I mainly only play if I think the number of players will be greater than my previous win. I take pride in winning an hour with 85 players. If there are only 40 players in an hour, it severely diminishes my accomplishment. I don’t want to give that up. But when categories display with different names on the Expert page than on the Expert tab on My Profile, then it can sometimes be unclear what category some win will apply to. I never would have guessed that a Famous People win would show up under Rich and Famous for example.

The category has been renamed, so there's no recollection anywhere in the system of the old name. It's like changing a team name - it will instantaneously replace the old name everywhere.

If a category seems unfamiliar to you, you may just have to check the quizzes in it. It will be a very rare event anyway.

Oh, when did that happen? What has it been renamed to?

What happened to all the Women's History quizzes?

They are in the Famous People sub category (mostly), because they are well known for their achievements, not because they are women. Some will be in the appropriate sub category, such as Scientists.

Not "Famous Women" but "Women's History". Apparently only quizzes about fat women are left in the "Women's History" categpry. SEveral have been been moved up to Spec. History, even ones specifically about women's liberation movements and not individual women. Only quizzes left are about fat women; "women's history" = "fat women's history" ?

sorry for typos & shortcuts; hand is bandaged and fingers are stiff 2day & can't articulate eloquently

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I can't find the sub category you're talking about. Can you post a link to it or one of the quizzes in it? We don't want quizzes divided on gender when there is no need for it, as in history.

Well, it's gone now. "Women's History" is a valid specialty in history. In fact, it was one of my specializations in grad school. Not sure I understand why the need was felt to remove it. There is need to devote study in women's history, just as to LGBT history and Black history and so on.

It's been gone since early July.



We completely agree. That's why all of the quizzes are still on the site in what we felt were categories and subcategories that better reflected the contents than the general 'Women's History' and 'Famous Women' sections. The majority of our categories didn't separate quizzes by gender or have categories solely devoted to one gender (there was no 'Famous Men' category, for instance) and these stood out as unusual. I believe one of the only remaining gender-divided sections is 'Leading Men' and 'Leading Ladies' in Celebrities, which gave both equal representation.

We are all conscious of frequent cultural shifts-- FT brings in a lot of learned people-- and we're always trying new things. The Famous Women and Women in History subcategories contained a number of great quizzes (again, still in the category) and this is the solution we landed on. Perhaps the alternative was to start creating 'Men's History' and 'Famous Men' sections? I honestly think that would have been more problematic to be honest.



I can't add more to this than what Rossian already said. Many of our editors had a discussion about these very sections and felt this was the most suitable way to move forward.


Edit to add: With the recent accommodations being made to assist teachers and parents in finding study aids for children here on the site, we already have even more opportunities to be able to use these quizzes as opportunities to study those very topics.

I can't speak for the Women's History part (I don't know what exactly was in it), but the "Famous Women" category always felt problematic to me because it was the opposite of empowering. The title emphasized the gender over the actual achievement.

What I would possibly like to see is to have a subcategory (and quizzes being written, of course), that deals with human rights, civil rights, emancipation of all kinds (gender, racial, religious, etc.) and activism (Fridays for Future would fit right in there). I think this is a very important topic that should be covered with quality content.

Mixing the "Women's History" quizzes into regular History quizzes is the right thing to do. It achieves the point of "Women's History" by combing it into one category. No longer can it be said, at least here on FunTrivia, "Women's contribution to history is being ignored!". No, it is being categoried with all the other achievements that make up history.

I don't know, but it may have got thrown on the ash heap of history

Putting cart before horse, I fear.

Folding in the Famous Women category has more justification than getting rid of the Women's History category, which is a legitimate specialty in history. The word "women" in them does not make them the same, nor does dissolving WH somehow prove that FT is not ignoring WH as has been suggested elsewhere; quite the opposite in fact by erasing an entire specialty. and besides no one had suggested that FT was ignoring women's history.



Good idea, and I hope it happens; at the same time, women's history, gay history, and African American history still deserve their own categories.

It was never about ignoring (or not ignoring) anything. It was about realigning to better reflect societal changes. It's a topic that doesn't have one solution but we are, at the least, trying out best.


There are many specialties that are not represented on this site as they are in a university curriculum. Some of us specialized in Gothic Literature, a perfectly viable subject that stretches across several other sections where our editors feel they will be easier for our players to find.

As has been stated in the past in other threads, the site has been growing organically for more than twenty years; it's going to constantly be evolving and, again, we're just trying to make choices that we feel make sense.

None of these changes discount the quizzes or their contents, but they erase the immediate 'otherness' we felt was apparent by partitioning them off as 'women's history' and, as always, there are many ways for us to highlight those quizzes in other ways to bring the attention to them that we feel they deserve.

I think the very discussion flow here shows how problematic that designation was. When the category was dissolved, the quizzes that had an immediate home were moved first, leaving the more difficult to recategorize ones which were promptly unflatteringly labeled as "fat women's history". That's a sign the category was unhealthy to start with - the only quizzes that didn't immediately have a good home obviosuly didn't put women in a great light.

By the way - if anyone wants to help emphasize and promote quality quizzes that positively highlight women, why not make a few quiz lists that do so, with a properly encouraging and empowering intro for each? If we had some volunteers, I could even very much envision a (mini)badge made of women-themed quizzes much like we have many other themes already. If anyone wants to curate that, please look for somewhere between 30 and 60 quizzes, across all areas of the site, that highlight women's history and achievements and send me the list.

OK I volunteer.