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#1299803 - Mon Nov 15 2021 03:07 PM Re: Ideas to make quiz playing more fun
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I am streamlining the whole rate and move on thing. The old way was a bit clunky.

Rating a quiz is now built into the submit page. You can do other stuff -- send notes, click a different link, whatever you want... instead of being forced to a "quiz rating" page.

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#1299804 - Mon Nov 15 2021 03:15 PM Re: Ideas to make quiz playing more fun
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About Wes' idea...

Myself, I'm OK with the disjointed, pulled-from-all-sources feeling of a game, because that's what a game is. But when I play a quiz, I like it to have some coherence, to be a thing written by one person and in one person's style and with one person's vision.

I think most players, if they're looking for what you're talking about, Wes, would just look for the easy quizzes in that category.

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#1299806 - Mon Nov 15 2021 03:17 PM Re: Ideas to make quiz playing more fun
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Originally Posted By: Terry
I am streamlining the whole rate and move on thing. The old way was a bit clunky.

Rating a quiz is now built into the submit page. You can do other stuff -- send notes, click a different link, whatever you want... instead of being forced to a "quiz rating" page.



Just spotted the new answer page, Terry. Nice!!

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#1299808 - Mon Nov 15 2021 03:54 PM Re: Ideas to make quiz playing more fun
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Originally Posted By: agony
About Wes' idea...

Myself, I'm OK with the disjointed, pulled-from-all-sources feeling of a game, because that's what a game is. But when I play a quiz, I like it to have some coherence, to be a thing written by one person and in one person's style and with one person's vision.

I think most players, if they're looking for what you're talking about, Wes, would just look for the easy quizzes in that category.


"I think most players, if they're looking for what you're talking about, Wes, would just look for the easy quizzes in that category."

Over time I have noticed that the general difficulty of new quizzes created has gotten harder and harder. That's probably because many authors are increasingly writing on more niche/expert topics.

One thing that I have slowly been doing is surfacing easier quizzes more often higher up on quiz directory pages.

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#1299809 - Mon Nov 15 2021 04:08 PM Re: Ideas to make quiz playing more fun
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Originally Posted By: Dagny1
Originally Posted By: Terry
I am streamlining the whole rate and move on thing. The old way was a bit clunky.

Rating a quiz is now built into the submit page. You can do other stuff -- send notes, click a different link, whatever you want... instead of being forced to a "quiz rating" page.



Just spotted the new answer page, Terry. Nice!!


And it picks up that I have already played and rated it previously. The rating system only comes into play when it is a quiz that I have not seen before.

Nice work, Boss...
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#1299810 - Mon Nov 15 2021 04:16 PM Re: Ideas to make quiz playing more fun
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That's great indeed! A wonderful improvement. Thank you, Terry, for doing this!

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#1299813 - Mon Nov 15 2021 04:48 PM Re: Ideas to make quiz playing more fun
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I should have read the thread title more closely.


Edited by halekotsi (Tue Nov 16 2021 08:21 PM)
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#1299816 - Mon Nov 15 2021 05:53 PM Re: Ideas to make quiz playing more fun
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The place to rate the quiz does not seem to appear when playing in quiz mode. 2 of my daily challenge require quiz mode but when I submit the quiz the area to rate is not there.

The section where it gives your score doesn't have a place to send feedback to the author and then it jumps straight to the section asking with the Facebook link and Do you think your friends could beat this score?

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#1299819 - Mon Nov 15 2021 07:05 PM Re: Ideas to make quiz playing more fun
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"The place to rate the quiz does not seem to appear when playing in quiz mode"

Ahhh correct. Will fix.

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#1299825 - Tue Nov 16 2021 12:21 AM Re: Ideas to make quiz playing more fun
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Originally Posted By: Terry
I am going to redo the "rating" stuff entirely so it doesn't submit to another page.


Great idea, and I have a suggestion for making it even better...

One thing I liked about the drop down list is that you could change your mind before submitting. I presume that once you click one of the buttons on the ratings now, that is the rating of the quiz? The first click and that's it.

Speaking of which, maybe it would be nice if there was some kind of feedback, something that pops up and says, "Thanks for rating". Perhaps not a pop up, that would be annoying to some, but something. Clicking a button and getting nothing makes one tend to click again, wondering if it didn't take, you see?


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#1299827 - Tue Nov 16 2021 12:33 AM Re: Ideas to make quiz playing more fun
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"Clicking a button and getting nothing makes one tend to click again, wondering if it didn't take, you see?"

There should be a message stating that you just earned 20 points when you click one of the 5 options. Is that not working for you? If not, what browser are you using?

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#1299831 - Tue Nov 16 2021 03:04 AM Re: Ideas to make quiz playing more fun
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Originally Posted By: Terry
"Clicking a button and getting nothing makes one tend to click again, wondering if it didn't take, you see?"

There should be a message stating that you just earned 20 points when you click one of the 5 options. Is that not working for you? If not, what browser are you using?


Well, evidently it's not working for me. frown

I am using Pale Moon 29.4.2.1
(It doesn't coincide with the Firefox numbering)

Where is the message supposed to appear?

And clicking "Submit" for Feedback to the author doesn't do anything either.
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#1299833 - Tue Nov 16 2021 04:16 AM Re: Ideas to make quiz playing more fun
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Originally Posted By: agony
About Wes' idea...

Myself, I'm OK with the disjointed, pulled-from-all-sources feeling of a game, because that's what a game is. But when I play a quiz, I like it to have some coherence, to be a thing written by one person and in one person's style and with one person's vision.

I think most players, if they're looking for what you're talking about, Wes, would just look for the easy quizzes in that category.


Obviously this is what an experienced player can do if they want to invest the time. I'm however talking of making things easy - if you want to play for a medium tier (2 to 4) on 24h, you're looking at 400 to 800 questions. Scouring a deep category like TV or Movies for 50 to 150 really easy quizzes is quite tedious and can take longer than actually playing them. At the highest levels you'll probably still have to do that because the summary quizzes wouldn't be enough, but I'm thinking of making playing your weaker categories more enjoyable - if you're going for a T6 or 7, you're obviously committed anyway. It's the range from "let's explore a bit to see if I missed something I could like" to roughly T4 on 24 hours that I want to encourage. Diversification for players who aren't the top 1% or 5% quiz players and enticing those who play more for games and badges to also venture more into the regular quiz structure.


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#1299850 - Tue Nov 16 2021 10:42 AM Re: Ideas to make quiz playing more fun
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Hm I had to work around a weird pale moon bug... give it a go now gracious

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#1299853 - Tue Nov 16 2021 11:30 AM Re: Ideas to make quiz playing more fun
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Added some cool new navigation stuff at the bottom of a quiz submit smile

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#1299854 - Tue Nov 16 2021 11:46 AM Re: Ideas to make quiz playing more fun
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Wow that looks great - lots more choices and info, but doesn't feel cluttered, at least not on my desktop.

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#1299862 - Tue Nov 16 2021 12:16 PM Re: Ideas to make quiz playing more fun
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Ditto what agony said. Looks great, Terry!

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#1299871 - Tue Nov 16 2021 01:04 PM Re: Ideas to make quiz playing more fun
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Sorting added to category quiz lists smile

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#1299872 - Tue Nov 16 2021 01:19 PM Re: Ideas to make quiz playing more fun
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Thank you also for implementing my idea of suggesting related topics, which will come in particularly handy when we play a quiz that appears as Quiz of the Hour, Bus Ride, or other games. This will help give many quizzes much more exposure than what they were getting before.

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#1299875 - Tue Nov 16 2021 02:19 PM Re: Ideas to make quiz playing more fun
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Re all the new items on the answer/rate page: Love that "Related Quizzes" indicates whether or not you have taken a particular quiz in the past. Thanks, Terry, for all the new innovations on this entire page.

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#1299879 - Tue Nov 16 2021 05:05 PM Re: Ideas to make quiz playing more fun
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Originally Posted By: Terry
Hm I had to work around a weird pale moon bug... give it a go now gracious


Thanks! It works now! The ratings buttons disappear and I get a thank-you message. Likewise the feedback button.

In fact, extra-special thanks for not telling me to switch to Chrome. wink


What bug was that? I would like to report it to the Pale Moon team.


Edited by gracious1 (Tue Nov 16 2021 05:06 PM)
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#1299881 - Tue Nov 16 2021 05:46 PM Re: Ideas to make quiz playing more fun
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Originally Posted By: Terry
Sorting added to category quiz lists smile

Brilliant. Thanks mate!

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#1299892 - Wed Nov 17 2021 04:35 AM Re: Ideas to make quiz playing more fun
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Originally Posted By: WesleyCrusher
I'm however talking of making things easy - if you want to play for a medium tier (2 to 4) on 24h, you're looking at 400 to 800 questions. Scouring a deep category like TV or Movies for 50 to 150 really easy quizzes is quite tedious and can take longer than actually playing them.


I think this is a great idea, Wesley: there must be many people who, like me, can only pop in for a very short time on most days. I like to feel that I've "earned" my badges, so don't want everything handed to me on a plate, but the kind of thing you're suggesting would make my least-favourite topics much more alluring when attempting the medium tier 24h badges.

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#1299972 - Thu Nov 18 2021 07:08 AM Re: Ideas to make quiz playing more fun
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The new final screen (rating buttons, navigation options) looks great. Thanks Terry.
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#1299998 - Thu Nov 18 2021 06:05 PM Re: Ideas to make quiz playing more fun
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So some of you have probably noticed that in quiz submit if a quiz is part of a Quiz List, the "related quizzes" will populate with all of the quizzes in that quiz list.

If there is more than one quiz list for that quiz, it will use whatever quiz list is owned by the owner of the quiz as its default. If more than one of those, it will guess.

So you now have a new way to highlight your quizzes as being part of a series or preferred play order. It makes quiz lists far more useful.

Give it a go smile

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