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#166421 - Thu Apr 03 2003 03:49 PM American Pie
gillyharold Offline
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On February 3, 1959, a small plane holding Buddy Holly, Ritchie Valens, and J.P. Richardson (The Big Bopper) crashed shortly after take-off in Iowa. Americans who paid attention to popular music circa 1971 know this as "the day the music died." That allusion comes from the song "American Pie," which has been analyzed and annotated for more than three decades.

But rather than playing that game, we're crossing genres and checking out another musical metaphor: "It ain't over 'til the fat lady sings."

The fat lady refers to the opera singer whose body is as full as her voice. It is not uncommon for the heroine to sing during the final act of an opera; as starstruck members of the audience know, the curtain doesn't come down until the lady stops singing. The jocular "it ain't over 'til the fat lady sings" is used everywhere from the sports arena to smoke-filled backrooms to indicate action is still possible.

So what's the link between "the day the music died" and a singer heralding the end of the show? Not much. Although both phrases first appeared in print during the 1970s, "the day the music died" traces to songwriter Don McLean (who based it on a Buddy Holly phrase), while the author of "the fat lady singing" remains unknown.


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#166422 - Thu Apr 03 2003 11:49 PM Re: American Pie
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Just wanted to add that contrary to popular belief the plane that Buddy Holly was on was not called "American Pie".
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#166423 - Sun Apr 20 2003 05:25 PM Re: American Pie
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Don't try to be phylosophical over this issue.-Don williams sang a great song(which Madonna later murdered)-those of us who are old enough to remember those who are gone know the meaning behind the song and appreciate it. It will always be one of my favourites-for the music and the sentiment. Am I making myself clear or just so much Pie in the Sky?

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#166424 - Tue Apr 22 2003 04:00 AM Re: American Pie
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Er, Bridie, as good a singer/songwriter as Don Williams is, he never did 'American Pie'.
Yes, we all knew you meant Don McLean, but I couldn't help myself.
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#166425 - Wed Apr 23 2003 03:19 PM Re: American Pie
Coolupway Offline
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And let's not forget "Williams'", Canada's excellent weekly magazine, and of course that old standby, "McLean's Obstetrics."

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#166426 - Sun Apr 27 2003 02:46 PM Re: American Pie
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Bridie,

American Pie - Don McLean
Pie in the Sky - Joe Hill and the IWW
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#166427 - Sun Apr 27 2003 04:09 PM Re: American Pie
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"I dreamt I saw Joe McLean last night/alive as you or me"..

Tielhard is going to make us all into Wobblies here.

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