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#19429 - Mon Apr 17 2000 10:53 AM A Few 'Blue Laws'...
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The following are bits excerpted from a book, itself almost one hundred years old:
THE FAMOUS CONNECTICUT BLUE LAWS. -

These laws, enacted by the people of the "Dominion of New Haven," became known as the blue laws because they were printed on blue paper. They were as follows: -

The governor and magistrates convened in general assembly are the supreme power, under God, of the independent dominion. From the determination of the assembly no appeal shall be made.

No one shall be a freeman or have a vote unless he is converted and a member of one of the churches allowed in the dominion.

No dissenter from the essential worship of this dominion shall be allowed to give a vote for electing of magistrates or any officer.

No food or lodging shall be offered to a heretic.

No one shall cross a river on the Sabbath but authorized clergymen.

No one shall travel, cook victuals, make beds, sweep houses, cut hair, or shave on the Sabbath Day.

No one shall kiss his or her children on the Sabbath or feasting days.

The Sabbath Day shall begin at sunset Saturday.

Whoever wears clothes trimmed with gold, silver, or bone lace above one shilling per yard shall be presented by the grand jurors and the selectmen shall tax the estate L300.

Whoever brings cards or dice into the dominion shall pay a fine of L5.

No one shall eat mince pies, dance, play cards, or play any instrument of music except the drum, trumpet, or jews harp.

No gospel minister shall join people in marriage. The magistrate may join them, as he may do it with less scandal to Christ's church.

When parents refuse their children convenient marriages, the magistrate shall determine the point.

A man who strikes his wife shall be fined L10.

A woman who strikes her husband shall be punished as the law directs.

No man shall court a maid in person or by letter without obtaining the consent of her parents; L5 penalty for the first offense; L10 for the second, and for the third imprisonment during the pleasure of the court.

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MASSACHUSETTS BLUE-LAWS. - In regard to the so-called "blue-laws" of Massachusetts it is difficult to determine just where the line between fact and fancy is to be drawn.

It is claimed that the founders of Connecticut borrowed most of their laws and judicial proceedings from Massachusetts. Many of these laws were enacted previous to 1640, and a number were the orders and sentences of the Massachusetts Court of Assistants and General Court.

For instance, one order we find is as follows: "It is ordered, that all Rich. Clough's strong water shall presently be seazed upon, for his selling greate quantytie thereof to several men servants, which was the occasion of much disorder, drunkeness, and misdemeanor.

Another record, in March 1631, is to the effect that "Nieh. Knopp is fyned 5L for takeing upon him to cure the scurvey, by a water of noe worth nor value, which he solde at a very deare rate, to be imprisoned till hee pay his fine or give securitye for it, or else to be whipped; and shall be lyable to any man's action of whome he hath received money for the said water.

In September 1636: Robert Shorthose, for swearing by the bloud of God, was sentenced to have his tongue put into a cleft stick, and to stand so by the space of haulfe an houre. - from The Century Book of Facts, 1900

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#19430 - Thu Jul 14 2005 05:45 AM Re: A Few 'Blue Laws'...
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I heard that when the puritans talked of religeous freedom it was freedom to persecute other people. This seems to indicate the accusation was correct.

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#19431 - Sat Jul 16 2005 07:38 AM Re: A Few 'Blue Laws'...
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I've always been intrigued by the 'blue laws' whenever I see reference to them, which is quite often in my part of the U.S. And I've seen the explanation several times as to them being called such because of that old saw about the blue paper they were supposedly printed on.
I'm confidently convinced that's not so, primarily for reasons of the way our language has evolved through various influences. This site gives a decent, if brief, and plausible explanation for the phrase, and I've come to accept the 'Bluenose' version as the most credible.
http://www.snopes.com/language/colors/bluelaws.htm
It's pretty much a given that they apply primarily to behaviour on the Sabbath, work times and alcohol, but they can take on some amusing proportions when left on the 'active' books too long. For instance, when I was in Texas many years ago, courtesy of the U.S. Army, a few of us decided on a particular Sunday that instead of going fishing, we'd fix up our house deck, and went in search of material and some tools to do the work. Long story shorter, we were able to buy all the material we needed, but the local merchants couldn't sell us a hammer or a level, due to the local 'blue laws'.
However, indicative of most attitudes toward those arcane things, we found a reasonable merchant who was willing to 'trade' us anything we wanted, in exchange for using my motorcycle for the day.
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#19432 - Sat Jul 16 2005 08:00 AM Re: A Few 'Blue Laws'...
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But this is a little odd, surely. I distinctly remember hearing the phrase "making the air turn blue" being used for swearing when I was a child.
Is there any connection between an uptight, prissy 'bluenose',(and, wait a minute, isn't a Bluenose a person from Nova Scotia?) and 'blue' language?

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#19433 - Sat Jul 16 2005 09:48 AM Re: A Few 'Blue Laws'...
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Quote:

It's pretty much a given that they apply primarily to behaviour on the Sabbath, work times and alcohol... For instance, when I was in Texas many years ago, courtesy of the U.S. Army, a few of us decided on a particular Sunday that instead of going fishing, we'd fix up our house deck, and went in search of material and some tools to do the work. Long story shorter, we were able to buy all the material we needed, but the local merchants couldn't sell us a hammer or a level, due to the local 'blue laws'.




Here in Texas, car dealerships must be closed either Saturday or Sunday (they can pick), and hard liquor cannot be sold on Sunday, nor can beer and wine before noon. Liquor stores that offer hard liquor are closed on Sundays.
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#19434 - Sat Jul 16 2005 06:02 PM Re: A Few 'Blue Laws'...
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I don't know for certain about the origins of blue in blue language, but can easily make the connection to blue laws and their bans on swearing and such, made by the more uptight types in the community. Don't know about bluenoses in Nova Scotia, but I do know my rather prominent schnoz is that color when I travel to Seattle.
The no-liquor thing on Sundays is huge in the south, but can also be ridiculously funny in its actual application from county to county. A dry county will be adjacent to several wet ones (or vice-versa) and the dry one will allow what's known as 'private clubs' which disallows liquor to be sold there, but provides setups (ice, mixers, etc.) and a locker to paying 'members' for storing their hard stuff.

Then there are 'Blue Movies', but I think that's a whole different ball of string.
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#19435 - Wed Jul 20 2005 12:53 AM Re: A Few 'Blue Laws'...
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In some areas of Britain (Scotland I think)on Sundays alcohol could be sold to 'bona fide travellers' but not locals which led to firms offering coach trips which went just far enough to count as a traveller.

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