Very good work Leau, thanks a lot. I would have guessed at the first one though I had no actual idea, and it was one of many in a small musical entertainment I played the keyboard for 20 years ago. All the words had been changed to fit the life of the person the performance was about (he'd also done this writing himself) and I heard this tune, along with many other traditional songs I liked, for the first time. He also altered the titles and I was so busy learning them all I didn't stop to think of checking the real titles.
The second used to be on the radio a lot, and of course depended on whether it was sung by a man or a woman. Clearly the popular version we used to hear was sung by a woman, and now I can track down the music and learn to play them right through.

Edited to add: I knew it could be 'he' or 'she'. Now I know I chose the wrong side- just read the bits I forgot!