#210983 - Fri Mar 05 2004 01:22 AM
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Sue was so upset by what had happened that she quit the game! At first, I thought she was "acting" but I guess she really was somehow traumatized. I'm still surprised. Anyone who remotely considers Richard Hatch to behave like a gentleman must be daft! I have a feeling that the production company of "Survivor" is soon to be sued...
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#210985 - Fri Mar 05 2004 08:36 AM
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Rupert's comment was that Sue was motivated by greed. She could potentially sue Richard for $10 million as opposed to roughing it another couple weeks for the possible $1million. They were both supposed to be on a show here in the US on CBS called the "Early Show". Unfortunately I was at work while it happened. I'm surprised someone like her could be that shook up about that.
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#210986 - Fri Mar 05 2004 09:10 AM
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I have the feeling also Hatch and the production company and possibly CBS all could end up in court over the incident. I'm sure the contestants have to sign a release, but weather something like the the Richard and Sue incident would be addressed in it I'm not really sure.
Did anyone pick up on how she kept obessing over her husband. What I was hearing and maybe it's not so is she has a very very jealous husband. There just might be a big storming looming on the home front when she gets home.
Maybe she just wanted to get home and quell any possible domestic uprising.
Just my thoughts on the situation.
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#210987 - Fri Mar 05 2004 09:40 AM
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I agree with gatsby722, Sue hardly appeared to be a Shrinking Violet. What happened was gross and nothing that I'd want to experience but considering what Hatch was like, it shouldn't have been that surprising. When at a disadvantage, Hatch would tear off his clothes to disturb an opponent. It would be interesting to hear from anyone with legal expertise as to whether Sue would have any legal recourse from what happened. Okay, we don't know what waivers, or, agreements contestants sign, but in general what can/could she do? I do think she opted out to try and "sue" Hatch, she liked the limelight and boy, this would certainly put her in it. 
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#210988 - Fri Mar 05 2004 10:30 AM
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I watched that "Early Show", sebatiancat. The two were mostly civil to one another and Sue DID say that she had initially considered filing a lawsuit. Apparently they've worked everything out (but there was a noticeable chill in the air). Hatch would not quite say he was sorry for what he did (imagine that?) but did say he was sorry that Sue felt the way she did about the whole thing. As for anything like this happening in a workplace or other public situation I agree that charges should be filed pronto. But nowhere I can think of generally allows people to strip naked and walk around on beams on an island. Given that as a likelihood in a crazy game one pretty much takes their chances  .
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#210989 - Fri Mar 05 2004 10:35 AM
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I'm sure the show is protected completely. People get hurt or ill all the time and have to know what they are getting into. This was a contingency I'm sure no one could foresee. IT made for for an interesting episode. I missed the first half-hour so will have to watch it this weekend (we taped it) to see the build-up to the blow-out.
Thanks gatsby for filling me in on Early show. I had half a mind to record it but didn't.
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#210991 - Fri Mar 05 2004 11:41 AM
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Barbara---really no offense intended. BUT, if you think about it without gender specificity was it somehow an assault to the public when Jenna (might have the wrong name there...the one who left because her mother was passing away...) and that other girl stripped down just so as to get peanut butter some seasons back? The show is a rather brutal microcosm of what people like to watch. I think what happened to Sue was horrible (and I make no reference that just because a woman wears a mini skirt and nice make-up that she's asking to be raped!). But if you are on a game show where everybody is half dressed, getting bitten to pieces by bugs and looking pretty hungry the rules therein are different. Oh, and by the way, I'm a big fan of Ethan, too. But he's got a huge bullseye on his back because he really is a nice guy and too good at the "game", I think. Reality TV (ugh) is not exactly real life.
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#210992 - Fri Mar 05 2004 12:15 PM
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Barbara---really no offense intended. BUT, if you think about it without gender specificity was it somehow an assault to the public when Jenna (might have the wrong name there...the one who left because her mother was passing away...) and that other girl stripped down just so as to get peanut butter some seasons back? The show is a rather brutal microcosm of what people like to watch. I think what happened to Sue was horrible (and I make no reference that just because a woman wears a mini skirt and nice make-up that she's asking to be raped!). But if you are on a game show where everybody is half dressed, getting bitten to pieces by bugs and looking pretty hungry the rules therein are different. Oh, and by the way, I'm a big fan of Ethan, too. But he's got a huge bullseye on his back because he really is a nice guy and too good at the "game", I think. Reality TV (ugh) is not exactly real life.
I guess we'll have to agree to disagree. Sexual assault is sexual assault - no matter where you are, or what you're doing. If you don't give someone permission to touch your body in a sexual manner, then they shouldn't do it. If you want to compare that to Jenna stripping and the audience seeing blurry parts (after being warned via TV message that there were adult situations), then we just don't have any common ground. Sorry.
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#210993 - Fri Mar 05 2004 12:30 PM
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Agreed, Barbara. You seem a classy person and agreeing to disagree with you seems OK.  .
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#210995 - Fri Mar 05 2004 12:51 PM
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Now my question is, could this be considered harassment when Richard (who is very vocally gay) attempts to go by another person and bumps into Sue? Does harassment require intent? The view i had of the episode indicated that he bumped into Sue when they both attempted to get by. I personally didn't see any rubbing or grinding; but being a woman myself wouldn't enjoy a stranger or even a friend rubbing his bits against my body. Survivor Pearl Islands had multiple men stripping frequently and wouldn't a woman who uses her wiles to form an alliance or to throw off a member of the opposite sex be included in harassment as well? Remember Thailand when Ghandia and Ted had their big blowout? She purported that Ted rubbed up against her while sleeping? Based on their conversations Ghandia forgave him any intent; it was chalked up to two persons who missed their spouses seeking comfort and not realizing it went that far or hurt someone.
This post is certainly not an argument against any other comments. I'm just trying to understand it myself. What I gleaned from the episode appears to be different than others.
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#210996 - Fri Mar 05 2004 02:19 PM
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I admit that I'm not normally a "Survivor" watcher, but I did see the first season with Susan and Richard a few years ago, and I have caught a few episodes since then and really don't know any of the other members well. I have been trying to catch "All Star" this season and I did see the last two episodes. I have to agree with sebastiancat: I didn't see any intentional rubbing by Richard either. It looked as though he was trying to balance himself and they bumped into each other while passing. But, I wouldn't like to have a males privates bumped against me either, intentional or not. The fact that Susan got as upset as she did is just another reminder that we really can't predict how people will react in situations until it happens.
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#210997 - Fri Mar 05 2004 03:34 PM
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I suppose I had an advantage because I knew what was going to happen so could watch it closer and I reckon he did do it on purpose, he circled around her and said something like "You want some?". She should have pushed him off .
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#210998 - Sat Mar 06 2004 03:59 AM
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One last footnote to this "Survivor" debacle that I failed to mention yesterday: according to both Sue and Richard (on that morning news show) each tribe was given a different set of "tips" by the producers as to how to best maneuver that challenge. Richard's take on it was "Why is Sue coming this way; she's supposed to be going the other way [the shortest route]?" Sue's: "I was told to go that way by the staff!" Of course none of that dignifies the "encounter" but it does seem that the producers of this show play some dangerous games behind the scenes. I just had to add that and will hereafter shut up about "Survivor"  . Until, of course, next week...
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#211000 - Sat Mar 06 2004 09:12 AM
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Agreed, Barbara. You seem a classy person and agreeing to disagree with you seems OK. .
Thank you. That's a very sweet comment.
If everyone in the world agreed with me, it would be boring!
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#211001 - Sat Mar 06 2004 01:04 PM
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I thought Sue was really over the top and must have had ulterior motives. However, I was shocked when she dropped out and realized it had upset her more than many thought. Then later I thought it might have been a way to get out while saving face. Now that I have read about her appearance on TV, I don't know what to think about it all. Mind you I do think anything that may or may not happen on Survivor cannot be compare to anything in real life, including sexual harassment in the workplace. Anyone who signs on for this show knows what they are getting into, especially people who have done it before.
That being said, I love the show and have a few favorites. I couldn't stop sobbing after Amber left and we were informed her Mother died only 8 days later. I still get chicken skin when I think about it.
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#211002 - Sat Mar 06 2004 10:55 PM
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That being said, I love the show and have a few favorites. I couldn't stop sobbing after Amber left and we were informed her Mother died only 8 days later. I still get chicken skin when I think about it.
It was Jenna. Amber is still on the program.
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#211005 - Tue Mar 09 2004 06:07 PM
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My favorite still has got to be the big guy Rupert. Although he is looking very svelte doing two shows back to back. I'm rooting for him, and not just because I have him in my pool.
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#211006 - Tue Mar 09 2004 06:08 PM
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WE got the Sue leaving one last night and wow, did she go off, huh? Loved Geoff's reaction - that is a man who kows when not to butt in.  I didn't see the original one with RobM in it and he is arrogant but I had to laugh when he said about not trusting Rupert "so I went int an alliance with him". hehe
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