Rules
Terms of Use

Page 3 of 4 < 1 2 3 4 >
Topic Options
#212917 - Thu Feb 26 2004 05:04 PM Re: Math vs maths (and other differences)
TabbyTom Offline
Moderator

Registered: Wed Oct 17 2001
Posts: 8479
Loc: Hastings Sussex
England UK
Thanks for the clarification. Linda.

I fancy that the British idea of American English is probably based on East Coast usage.
_________________________
Dilige et quod vis fac

Top
#212918 - Thu Feb 26 2004 05:05 PM Re: Math vs maths (and other differences)
sue943 Offline
Administrator

Registered: Sun Dec 19 1999
Posts: 38005
Loc: Jersey
Channel Islands    
Hey, my new credit cards finally arrived today so perhaps I should celebrate! I must telephone them to give them my new number so that I don't have to queue when I see something that I want.

(For those who are wondering, I mentioned somewhere that the credit card company made me cut the old ones up that weeks as someone fraudulently used my card number to gamble! More than a week with no cards was sheer purgatory.)
_________________________
Many a child has been spoiled because you can't spank a Grandma!

Top
#212919 - Thu Feb 26 2004 05:35 PM Re: Math vs maths (and other differences)
fjohn Offline
Multiloquent

Registered: Mon Dec 06 1999
Posts: 2742
Loc: Wyoming USA Way Out West
I haven't seen Joe Bloggs in years either! He used to live on Union Street, but moved. He was named after his father, Buster!
_________________________
Some days it just doesn't seem worth trying to chew through the restraints.

Top
#212920 - Thu Feb 26 2004 05:38 PM Re: Math vs maths (and other differences)
fjohn Offline
Multiloquent

Registered: Mon Dec 06 1999
Posts: 2742
Loc: Wyoming USA Way Out West
I haven't seen Joe Bloggs in years either! He used to live on Union Street, but moved. He was named after his father, Joseph!
_________________________
Some days it just doesn't seem worth trying to chew through the restraints.

Top
#212921 - Thu Feb 26 2004 05:47 PM Re: Math vs maths (and other differences)
sue943 Offline
Administrator

Registered: Sun Dec 19 1999
Posts: 38005
Loc: Jersey
Channel Islands    
You lot are too quick! I was typing a reply to Linda's question about my purchasing on QVC, then got called to the phone, came back and hit the reply only to find that my post didn't follow her post! You really should give a person time to chat to their mother between posts.
_________________________
Many a child has been spoiled because you can't spank a Grandma!

Top
#212922 - Thu Feb 26 2004 06:23 PM Re: Math vs maths (and other differences)
ren33 Offline
Moderator

Registered: Thu Sep 30 1999
Posts: 12593
Loc: Kowloon Tong  Hong Kong      
The one that puzzles me is the use of the word visit. Americans seem to say
"Oh yes, we visited with Grandma last week." we say
"We visited Grandma".
and "We had a good visit with her"
we say
"It was great visiting her."
_________________________
Wandering aimlessly through FT since 1999.

Top
#212923 - Thu Feb 26 2004 06:28 PM Re: Math vs maths (and other differences)
Linda1 Offline
Star Poster

Registered: Thu Sep 30 1999
Posts: 11250
Loc: Munchkinland
Again, I think that's the assumption that Grandma had an active part in the visit as well instead of merely sitting there like a lump on a log while the rest of us stared at her.



Edited by Linda1 (Thu Feb 26 2004 06:29 PM)
_________________________
Cats know what we feel. They don't care, but they know.

Top
#212924 - Fri Feb 27 2004 02:04 AM Re: Math vs maths (and other differences)
JaneMarple Offline
Star Poster

Registered: Fri Jan 30 2004
Posts: 14486
Loc: North West of England
Off topic a bit, although I've never brought anything off QVC itself, been to the local warehouse twice. I enjoy the craft hours!
_________________________
My mind is like a parachute...it functions only when open.

Top
#212925 - Tue Mar 02 2004 12:15 AM Re: Math vs maths (and other differences)
Geek Offline
Mainstay

Registered: Mon Feb 14 2000
Posts: 622
Loc: Minnesota U.S.A.
I don't know if this stuff has been mentioned before in this post (I've been gone a LONG time from FT).

In the UK people use "I've" in a way that it is almost never used in the US.

UK- I've a lot of books on my shelf
US- I have lots of books on my shelf, or, I've got a lotta books on my shelf.

Another thing, the use of "our" when referring to a family member.

in the UK people sometimes refer to family members as "our Bill", or "our Jane".
People in the US don't do that.

lastly- this is something I have come across in a few British TV shows:
"I'd give it you back." Now I haven't heard it used a lot in Britspeak but I know I've never heard it from any US people. I know my English teacher would have a fit if she heard that sentance.
_________________________
I have a catapault. Give me all of your money, or I will throw enormus rocks at your head.

Top
#212926 - Tue Mar 02 2004 01:49 AM Re: Math vs maths (and other differences)
Copago Offline
Moderator

Registered: Tue May 15 2001
Posts: 14384
Loc: Australia
I heard one on an US show that sounded strange. "I could care less" where I've only ever heard/used it as "I couldn't care less". Is that a common saying?

Top
#212927 - Tue Mar 02 2004 04:32 AM Re: Math vs maths (and other differences)
Biggles Offline
Forum Adept

Registered: Thu Jan 09 2003
Posts: 170
Loc: England
One that sounds mildly odd to British ears is the phrase "Who is this?" when asking who is calling on the telephone. I would always say "Who is that?" and keep "this" for my end of the call, such as "This is Biggles".

Reading Bill Bryson's books I noticed that he talks of "making change" when he pays for something and receives coins in return. As a Brit I would always say "Do you give change?" or "I was given change".

Talking of Bill Bryson, he notes that Americans refer to California wine, whereas the Brits call it Californian wine. So would Americans refer to Australia wine or Austria wine?

Top
#212928 - Tue Mar 02 2004 04:47 AM Re: Math vs maths (and other differences)
Copago Offline
Moderator

Registered: Tue May 15 2001
Posts: 14384
Loc: Australia
I suppose it would depend what country it was from.

Top
#212929 - Tue Mar 02 2004 09:35 AM Re: Math vs maths (and other differences)
Biggles Offline
Forum Adept

Registered: Thu Jan 09 2003
Posts: 170
Loc: England
Would they know the difference?

Top
#212930 - Tue Mar 02 2004 10:05 AM Re: Math vs maths (and other differences)
Linda1 Offline
Star Poster

Registered: Thu Sep 30 1999
Posts: 11250
Loc: Munchkinland
Quote:

I heard one on an US show that sounded strange. "I could care less" where I've only ever heard/used it as "I couldn't care less". Is that a common saying?




This isn't a case of a difference in cultures. It's a difference (I'm sorry to say) in education and not knowing how to properly say what they're saying.

The saying should be "I couldn't care less" - meaning that I'm at the bottom of my caring level, and I couldn't care any less than what I'm currently feeling.

What the other phrase is saying is that there's still some more that I couldn't care about this situation. And, that's not what the person is meaning to say.

And, by the way, yes, there would be a difference in Austrian and Australian wines! (And, some Americans are intelligent enough to know that these are two different countries.)

_________________________
Cats know what we feel. They don't care, but they know.

Top
#212931 - Tue Mar 02 2004 10:42 AM Re: Math vs maths (and other differences)
satguru Offline
Forum Champion

Registered: Thu Feb 17 2000
Posts: 8089
Loc: Kingsbury London UK           
Some points for Geek's observations:

I've got... etc. was always taught to be an extra, superfluous word, ie 'got', which we were taught was unnecessary at school, and therefore if people here use 'I've a lot...' rather than 'I've got a lot...' they were taught the same as I was.

The 'our Bill' to refer to family members is mainly a dialect used in the North of England, and not in common usage otherwise.

You can hear something like 'If I had your pencil I'd give it you back', but it isn't a very well-educated way to say it, 'I'd give it back to you' is clearly the proper way, as you meant.
_________________________
Does the brain create or receive consciousness?

Top
#212932 - Wed Mar 03 2004 01:29 AM Re: Math vs maths (and other differences)
Geek Offline
Mainstay

Registered: Mon Feb 14 2000
Posts: 622
Loc: Minnesota U.S.A.
Okay I've got another:

I've heard it maybe once or twice on British TV shows: "I thought I might do."
In one TV program here's how it was used:
"Do you know him?"
"I thought I might do."

Is that something commonly said in the UK?

_________________________
I have a catapault. Give me all of your money, or I will throw enormus rocks at your head.

Top
#212933 - Thu Mar 04 2004 03:01 PM Re: Math vs maths (and other differences)
satguru Offline
Forum Champion

Registered: Thu Feb 17 2000
Posts: 8089
Loc: Kingsbury London UK           
'I might do' on its own looks normal to me. If someone wasn't sure if they knew someone, they could say 'I thought I might do...' but this should be followed with '...but I don't think I did' or similar, as otherwise it's only half a sentence, and more bad grammar than common usage.

So I'd think the total 'I thought I might do' would only be used after thinking you did or would, and then finding you hadn't. So if you were asked 'Did you mow the lawn today' you could say 'I thought I might do, but it was raining', but there the extra 'do' is always superfluous, as 'I thought I might' is sufficient.
_________________________
Does the brain create or receive consciousness?

Top
#212934 - Thu Mar 04 2004 03:07 PM Re: Math vs maths (and other differences)
Linda1 Offline
Star Poster

Registered: Thu Sep 30 1999
Posts: 11250
Loc: Munchkinland
Huh?! I think you lost me on that one, Satguru!

This one's totally new. I've never heard it before now.

_________________________
Cats know what we feel. They don't care, but they know.

Top
#212935 - Thu Mar 04 2004 03:28 PM Re: Math vs maths (and other differences)
ren33 Offline
Moderator

Registered: Thu Sep 30 1999
Posts: 12593
Loc: Kowloon Tong  Hong Kong      
Quote:

The 'our Bill' to refer to family members is mainly a dialect used in the North of England, and not in common usage otherwise.




I beg to differ, Satguru. I am West Country through and through, and we use the term a lot: our Mam, our Gran, our Bill etc. It is used a great deal in Wales too.
I agree with Linda that a lot of errors are through ignorance and not regional differences. The phrase"I haven't got" is incorrect, as has been said. "I do not have" is what is required there.
_________________________
Wandering aimlessly through FT since 1999.

Top
#212936 - Thu Mar 04 2004 04:05 PM Re: Math vs maths (and other differences)
satguru Offline
Forum Champion

Registered: Thu Feb 17 2000
Posts: 8089
Loc: Kingsbury London UK           
I understand Ren, I said 'mainly' for that reason, as I meant it was probably used in other places as well, but I mainly came across it used on northern TV series like Coronation Street (ie rather than in my real life) though I have heard it from other places as well. But (as far as I know) it's not used in London, which is why I could only think of which TV areas I'd heard it used on.
_________________________
Does the brain create or receive consciousness?

Top
#212937 - Mon Mar 08 2004 05:24 PM Re: Math vs maths (and other differences)
sue943 Offline
Administrator

Registered: Sun Dec 19 1999
Posts: 38005
Loc: Jersey
Channel Islands    
I am from Southampton Satguru, my mother uses it all the time, our Susan (moi), our Brian, our Maureen etc.

Now off the spoken word but still a difference, the use of knives an forks when eating a meal. I get the impression that we use them differently in the two countries. Here we normally eat holding both the knife and the fork the whole time, the knife in the right hand, the fork in the left assuming that you are right handed. We cut the food as we eat, we don't cut the food then put the knife down and transfer it to the other hand as I have seen done in the US, we help the food onto the fork using our knife and retain the knife in our hand. Am I correct in thinking that this is not how you do it inthe US?


Edited by sue943 (Mon Mar 08 2004 05:30 PM)
_________________________
Many a child has been spoiled because you can't spank a Grandma!

Top
#212938 - Mon Mar 08 2004 06:09 PM Re: Math vs maths (and other differences)
ClaraSue Offline
Forum Champion

Registered: Sun May 18 2003
Posts: 7842
Loc: Arizona USA
I had always been taught to cut one food item, put down knife, transfer fork, spear food, eat, then start again. It wasn't until I was a teen that I saw a friend from Germany use the knife to push the food onto their fork. I thought that was so much more polite looking than using bread to push it on their fork, that I changed my habit and now use the knife.
_________________________
May the tail of the elephant never have to swat the flies from your face.

Top
#212939 - Tue Mar 09 2004 01:04 PM Re: Math vs maths (and other differences)
sue943 Offline
Administrator

Registered: Sun Dec 19 1999
Posts: 38005
Loc: Jersey
Channel Islands    
Doesn't the food get cold before you are halfway thorugh the meal? Do you eat off the back of the fork the way we do, with the tines curving downwards?
_________________________
Many a child has been spoiled because you can't spank a Grandma!

Top
#212940 - Tue Mar 09 2004 01:07 PM Re: Math vs maths (and other differences)
Linda1 Offline
Star Poster

Registered: Thu Sep 30 1999
Posts: 11250
Loc: Munchkinland
Quote:

Do you eat off the back of the fork the way we do, with the tines curving downwards?




No, with the tines up. "Scoops" better that way, too.

_________________________
Cats know what we feel. They don't care, but they know.

Top
#212941 - Tue Mar 09 2004 01:17 PM Re: Math vs maths (and other differences)
sue943 Offline
Administrator

Registered: Sun Dec 19 1999
Posts: 38005
Loc: Jersey
Channel Islands    
Ugh! We should think you very ill-bred dear. So what do you do with your knife and fork at the end of the meal?
_________________________
Many a child has been spoiled because you can't spank a Grandma!

Top
Page 3 of 4 < 1 2 3 4 >

Moderator:  ren33, sue943