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#216932 - Thu Jul 08 2004 02:22 PM Re: Were they on something or just looney?
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Huh. I've just read this entire thread from beginning to end and have yet to see a song which makes me really scratch my head and wonder whether the writer was looney. Some songs are a given, as with Jim Morrison. Everyone knows what he was on. But even so, his poetry DOES make sense to me, if viewed from the perspectives of knowing at least SOMEthing about his own life. I'll admit that I don't like the Doors for the lyrics, but for the music, though I don't DISlike the lyrics. I'm certainly not one of those who thinks that Jim Morrison was a brilliant poet. A good one, but I think he trapped himself into that angsty state most of us go through in our late teens. If it weren't for his use of vocabulary, many of his lyrics would come off as very trite and cliche.

But that lyric about screaming butterflies, it really does make sense. The whole song is, of course, about death; about his death, perhaps, and about the death of the earth, of nature. A butterfly is so fragile, yet silent. Easy to hurt, yet never complaining (that we humans can hear). Like the earth. Perhaps it was a suggestion that we be more aware of the pain we inflict? At least, that is what I got out of it.

Same thing applies to Kurt Cobain as to Morrison. Folk songs are often put into perspective if one knows something about the era in which they were written, or the particular cause. A lot of novelty songs are just people being goofy, which is, I think, different from looney. Or maybe I'm just very good at finding my own meaning in things which I enjoy. Of course, some of us are just a little silly to start off with, too. Acting like we're on drugs comes natrually to us.

But, a lot of people wonder about these songs:
Ina Gada Da Vida and Fishheads (Fish heads, fish heads, roly poly fishheads)
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#216933 - Thu Jul 08 2004 04:01 PM Re: Were they on something or just looney?
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I heard once that when recording Ina Gadda Da Vida, the vocalist (forgot his name) for Iron Butterfly was so stinking drunk, he couldn't actually say the words correctly. Don't know how true it is, but I heard that it was actually supposed to be "In the Garden of Eden".
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#216934 - Thu Jul 08 2004 04:49 PM Re: Were they on something or just looney?
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Yeah, that's the rumor about that song. It's entirely possible, though listening to the recording, there doesn't seem to be any other indication that he was drunk. You'd think that if he couldn't say "In the Garden of Eden" to such an extent that it came out "Ina Gada Da Vida" then he also wouldn't be able to get out "Don't you know that I love you" so clearly. Perhaps the idea for recording the words the way they were DID come about from a drunken night of jamming, but certainly not while it was actually being recorded. In any case, the music is, in my opinion, really great, and I actually did like the entire rest of the album, though the song "My Mirage" was decidedly strange.
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#216935 - Fri Jul 09 2004 10:38 AM Re: Were they on something or just looney?
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I heard once that when recording Ina Gadda Da Vida, the vocalist (forgot his name) for Iron Butterfly was so stinking drunk, he couldn't actually say the words correctly. Don't know how true it is, but I heard that it was actually supposed to be "In the Garden of Eden".




There was an episode of The Simpsons where it was sung in church as "In the Garden of Eden." Perhaps that's where the rumor came from?

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#216936 - Fri Jul 09 2004 05:21 PM Re: Were they on something or just looney?
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I love the fact that everyone always speculates about Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds being about drugs (which it isn't ) and completely ignore Doctor Robert, which was about drugs




Well, Paul McCartney's just been saying that in the press that it was. That of course it was. It could only be marginally less cryptic.

That said, I should probably ignore Paul McCartney as much as I possibly can. Just thought I'd mention it!
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#216937 - Fri Jul 09 2004 10:45 PM Re: Were they on something or just looney?
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There was an episode of The Simpsons where it was sung in church as "In the Garden of Eden." Perhaps that's where the rumor came from?




Nope. I heard this rumor way before the Simpsons came out with that.
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#216938 - Mon Jul 12 2004 06:39 AM Re: Were they on something or just looney?
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Ah, ok. Then the episode was probably based on the rumor. That's very interesting, I wasn't aware of that particular urban myth.
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