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#220881 - Tue Aug 10 2004 11:13 AM Re: Response to a correction notice
Bruyere Offline
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When I go through the corrections, I can quickly see when someone's getting out of hand and that's why we watch what sort of corrections are going on.

One thing I'll plead though, is if you've made a quiz that's got things that consistently get you corrections, think over if it's really working properly or rather, encouraging constant confrontation.
I see quite a few quizzes that though the person doing them might very well be right, they engender about three a week, which is probably too much. Are they worth the hassle to you?
We also advise people when a particular question is giving you trouble.

Remember that though you might be right about someone's first album though it wasn't available to everyone therefore it's correct, that if you have to answer ten people a week, it might be worth changing it.

FITBS are the main culprit by the way.
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#220882 - Fri Aug 13 2004 01:47 PM Re: Response to a correction notice
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i get rejection notices sayin to denote poseesion with apostrophes and im not american im english so how you use your apostrophes may be different, but i then go back and find possesive words, put apostrophes on them and guess wot, itsstill wrong. Maybe they dont like me, lol
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#220883 - Fri Aug 13 2004 02:44 PM Re: Response to a correction notice
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Selishere, I'm not American either, as a matter of fact, English is not my native language. I have no problems reading quizzes if they're written in proper English, but as soon as people start leaving out capitals, punctuation or possessive apostrophes I'm in big trouble. And I'm certainly not the only one at FunTrivia in that situation. A lot of members have English as a second, third or whateverth language, and spelling correctly is a big help for them.

If you don't understand what an editor tells you, you can reply to their note and ask for clarification. They'll be glad to help you. But if you don't ask, they can't know that you don't understand it...

Here in the forums we have the same rules about spelling, capitalisation and punctuation, by the way. Your post without capitals is very hard to read, so please consider that in your next posts.
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#220884 - Fri Aug 13 2004 10:33 PM Re: Response to a correction notice
DLHenry Offline
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This seems a little odd to me...a player took my quiz...got one out of twenty-five correct, and then says I should correct a question without a valid reason...does that seem odd to all of you?
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#220885 - Fri Aug 13 2004 10:40 PM Re: Response to a correction notice
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This happens a lot. Just click on 'not an error' and explain why you feel that the complaint is not valid. Sometimes people are mistaken, and sometimes they just want to make trouble.

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#220886 - Sat Aug 14 2004 01:14 PM Re: Response to a correction notice
LeoDaVinci Offline
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Registered: Fri Mar 23 2001
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Loc: Ontario Canada
How do you get 1 out of 25 incorrect? Even if you guess you still ought to get 1/4 correct...

They must have been feeling really down about not succeeding on your quiz.

Anyway, all correction notices should be dealt with patience and understanding (and then you click the "not an error" button... ). I try to be as prompt and accurate as possible on my corrections, and I'd always tell the correcter even if I disagree with him, not just the editor.
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#220887 - Sat Aug 14 2004 01:22 PM Re: Response to a correction notice
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By the way, in case you hadn't noticed, when you do send a 'not in error' message in response to an editor's message to you when you're in the editing process, you are writing to the same team. In essence, if someone finds I'm unfair and writes to the not in error function, I will probably be the one to read it as part of my job.

By the way, we're an international crew here and we do NOT reject quizzes because you've made Canadian style punctuation or British spelling etc...we have people from all over the English-speaking world and can ask them if we see something with which we're not familiar.
We look for consistency in your punctuation and spelling above all. (not consistently wrong however).
Sometimes people just don't understand that their quizzes have more than punctuation wrong with them but several major points.
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#220888 - Sun Aug 15 2004 08:51 AM Re: Response to a correction notice
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Selis - have you tried taking the Quizmaker Tuneups quizzes? They do a good job of 'teaching' some English.
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#220889 - Mon Aug 16 2004 10:56 AM Re: Response to a correction notice
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Loc: Preston, Engalnd UK
English these days, so complicated.
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#220890 - Mon Aug 16 2004 11:12 AM Re: Response to a correction notice
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What on earth are these quiz tune ups all about? They don't help at all. They're not about spelling and grammar as that is what I'm being told to keep re doing. I think my quiz is great, it has got good information, easy questions. Spelling is great, as for the grammar, well I'm being told it's always wrong, when I don't see nothing wrong with it myself. I will take some of these 'tune up' quizzes and I will look at them but if my quiz still doesn't go online I will not be a very happy person at all.
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#220891 - Mon Aug 16 2004 11:25 AM Re: Response to a correction notice
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There are quite a few Tune-Ups about grammar and spelling. In fact, I had a lot of problems with possessives and apostrophes, but after taking a few of those Tune-Ups I understood it perfectly fine.

Nobody is rejecting your quiz just to make you feel unhappy, it's rejected because there's a problem with it. Just work with the editors and you'll get it online. And trust me, it feels great to have your first quiz placed online!
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#220892 - Mon Aug 16 2004 04:23 PM Re: Response to a correction notice
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Registered: Sun Aug 01 2004
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Loc: Louisville, Kentucky USA
I sent Terry a note about a correction notice that I thought was rude. The editor stated one of my "answers" was incorrect, and she should know (her words) because she had a quiz online about the same topic. She asked, "Had I even read the book?" concerning the quiz topic. I assured her I had, and that my answer came straight from the book. She responded back that her answer was the correct one. I then emailed Terry. I asked him what course of action I take when an editor says an answer is incorrect and I say it isn't? His response to me was "Ask another question."

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#220893 - Mon Aug 16 2004 09:44 PM Re: Response to a correction notice
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Registered: Sat Feb 10 2001
Posts: 18899
Loc: California USA
As editors, we have to make judgement calls rather often on questions that we are pretty sure are going to generate correction notes. I'm not speaking of your specific case of course. However, if we do see a question that is too complicated, or open to interpretation, we warn people of this.

There comes a point in time when whether you're right or wrong, a question that is ambiguous is best avoided. Or if it's according to one version of a song or book or film or TV show and not another.
For example, we work very hard to avoid people asking questions that are only valid in one country, unless that's the whole nature of the quiz like Australian music or Venezuelan tennis stars.

As the editors see the behind the scenes activity of correction notes, we basically can guess what sort of thing is open to interpretation.
Sometimes when I ask someone to change their FITBS over for this reason, or change the wording of a question, they are offended, but as one of the best quizwriters we have once said, 'I'd much rather you warn me beforehand than get rifled by the quiz players'. Some people assume we're 'dumbing down' the quizzes, but that's really not it.
We can see it from both sides, that's all. When you're starting out, you can't see what others see. It takes time.

If someone really has a disagreement with me as an editor, I'll give it over to someone else for a fresh look.

I tend to advise people away from any question that's based on just one interpretation and something very specific like just one website, or just one book.
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