#236895 - Mon Jan 10 2005 03:52 AM
Re: New Quiz Rankings
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Multiloquent
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Do the quiz ratings really mean anything? It seems to me that in most cases players give their rankings based on how well they do, rather than how informative the quiz was. I've just done a number of 'vocabulary - definitions' quizzes, and most had little or no interesting information, yet were relatively highly rated. Conversely, I regularly come across 15, 20, 25 question quizzes with detailed interesting info' for each question, which are rated low. As it takes at least twice as long to create a 20 question quiz, than a 10 question, the 20 Q should realistically be rated much higher, but this is rarely the case.
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#236896 - Mon Jan 10 2005 09:21 AM
Re: New Quiz Rankings
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Multiloquent
Registered: Wed May 19 2004
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Loc: North Carolina USA
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I *try* not to let my scores on a quiz determine how I rank it. But, I'm sure lots of folks figure that the better they do on it, the better a quiz is.
(I hate to give a bad ranking to a quiz, and only do so if it's got a significant number of problems -- errors, typos, etc.)
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#236897 - Mon Jan 10 2005 09:36 AM
Re: New Quiz Rankings
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Registered: Sat Feb 10 2001
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You'll find that a quiz that is really written well will rise in the ranks no matter what. It won't matter how many questions there are. Quantity isn't necessarily quality after all. It probably won't matter how many people take it either. I have a few quizzes rated tough that have good rankings so I guess sour grapes didn't affect anyone's vote. A ten question quiz might take longer to write well than a twenty question quiz or, God forbid, a twenty-five question quiz that's full of filler material.
When you teach you see the horrors of giving a page requirement as few people realize that length of a paper is not as important as what you write.
As to the higher ranking/success on quiz correlation, I'm not so sure this is true. I see quizzes that have been consistently ranked high, though they aren't terribly easy to succeed on for the average quizplayer. And some of these quizzes have over two thousand people taking them.
I'm not into the mathematical aspects of this as I tend to view this as making paper boats with a friend, letting them float in the gutter a while and seeing which one comes in first and then doing it again. As an editor, I tend to help people make a better boat and get the same thrill when it floats well. The system we have here is fun as it allows well built boats to float and everyone to have a good time.
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#236898 - Tue Jan 11 2005 12:41 AM
Re: New Quiz Rankings
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Multiloquent
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Loc: Hertfordshire<br>England UK
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You'll find that a quiz that is really written well will rise in the ranks no matter what. It won't matter how many questions there are. Quantity isn't necessarily quality after all. It probably won't matter how many people take it either. I have a few quizzes rated tough that have good rankings so I guess sour grapes didn't affect anyone's vote. A ten question quiz might take longer to write well than a twenty question quiz or, God forbid, a twenty-five question quiz that's full of filler material.
I was thinking of the top ten thousand quizzes rather than the top hundred.There are quite a lot of 10 question quizzes which have no interesting information, yet get rated within the top 10,000 or even higher. As for the 'filler material' as you refer to some peoples' notes, quizzes are now required to have interesting information so a 25 question quiz will by definition have quite a lot of it. If 20 or 25 question are to be marked down because they have too much information or take too long this is grossly unfair, and we might as well all stick to 10 question quizzes with minimal information.
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#236899 - Tue Jan 11 2005 01:33 AM
Re: New Quiz Rankings
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Prolific
Registered: Fri Aug 20 2004
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Loc: Omaha Nebraska USA
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I currently have a pair of sunnies on a quiz rated "Impossible", so there is obviously not a direct correlation.
I think there may be more of a correlation between writing questions the takers feel they should be able to answer as opposed to the questions the are able to answer. For example, the worst rated quiz I have ever played concerned the story arcs of a popular television series. The answer to each question was an episode number within a named story! I imagine that most of us don't think that way about watching stories on TV, so these sorts of questions strike the taker as rather dumb. On the other hand, questions whose answers are intrinsically interesting may be better received, even if the taker is rather clueless about the subject going in.
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#236900 - Tue Jan 11 2005 11:52 AM
Re: New Quiz Rankings
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Registered: Thu Dec 13 2001
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Loc: Ontario Canada
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As for the 'filler material' as you refer to some peoples' notes,
I took this comment to refer to the questions themselves, not to the interesting info. For example, the author might have 11 really interesting questions and then run out of ideas. Then they'd ask (or try to ask, as they'd probably not get away with it) four or more very simple, off-topic or plain not allowed (eg. Did you like my quiz?) questions to fill up the template, hence 'filler' questions.
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#236901 - Tue Jan 11 2005 08:13 PM
Re: New Quiz Rankings
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Registered: Sat Feb 10 2001
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Loc: California USA
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That is indeed the spirit in which it was intended. We'll get a quiz with twenty-five questions like these: How many bullet holes did Tupac have when he was found? What make of vehicle was he found in? What was his middle initial when he died? What school did he go to? How old was he when he died?
I understand where some of the people writing these are coming from, but, it would make a very poor quiz.
So the optimum quiz length is ten questions in my opinion with quality information in the blanks. It does not have to be lengthy at all. When I make French quizzes, I rarely go over ten, unless I don't have enough information to go up to two ten question quizzes. Then I might do a fifteen question quiz. I didn't have twenty 'ING' expressions for example.
Filler is really obvious though. It's what Spanishliz was thinking of. Legitimate information is not filler, it's information.
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#236902 - Wed Jan 12 2005 07:20 PM
Re: New Quiz Rankings
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Multiloquent
Registered: Wed May 19 2004
Posts: 2155
Loc: North Carolina USA
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I put a quiz online December 18th. It's been played 45 times, but has not been ranked yet. Is this because too few people have ranked it (which would suggest that less than 2/3 of the quiz takers have ranked it)?
Do you have a feel for how many quiz takers actually rank the quizzes they take?
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#236903 - Wed Jan 12 2005 07:45 PM
Re: New Quiz Rankings
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Rankings are updated once a week, I believe. It's possible that after 34 plays enough people had ranked your quiz, but the rankings had just been updated. So if the last player that your quiz needed to get a ranking rated the quiz after the last update, you'll have to wait until the next round before your quiz will be ranked. Does that make sense?
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#236904 - Mon Feb 21 2005 12:06 PM
Re: New Quiz Rankings
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Bringing this up for Mohammadasad since he obviously had difficulty in understanding my PM to him.
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#236905 - Tue Mar 08 2005 02:04 AM
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Bringing up
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#236906 - Tue Oct 25 2005 01:18 PM
Re: New Quiz Rankings
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#236907 - Tue Oct 25 2005 02:58 PM
Re: New Quiz Rankings
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Multiloquent
Registered: Sun Feb 20 2005
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Loc: Wisconsin USA
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When Terry mentioned that the best authors get a ranking bonus, what did he mean by that? What qualifies you as a "best author"?
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#236908 - Tue Oct 25 2005 05:19 PM
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Prolific
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That sounds rather ominous, actually. Could it be that the people who submit supposedly better quizzes are getting higher ratings than they deserve? Isn't that a bit of a Catch 22, meaning that new quiz players don't have a chance to become one of these so called 'better quiz makers'?
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#236909 - Tue Oct 25 2005 06:42 PM
Re: New Quiz Rankings
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No, because once the new quiz authors submit more quizzes that are well-written, they WILL become better quizmakers and their ratings will increase.
Most of the editors, if not all, don't think you can be one of the best quiz authors the first few times you write a quiz - you just don't know all the nuances of making quizzes yet.
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#236911 - Tue Oct 25 2005 09:17 PM
Re: New Quiz Rankings
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Multiloquent
Registered: Sun Feb 20 2005
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I suppose that makes since. I was thinking more on the lines of the system judging the quality of a quiz author. Imagine creating the algorithm for that!
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#236913 - Sat Dec 03 2005 04:01 AM
Quiz Rankings
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Participant
Registered: Sat Nov 12 2005
Posts: 19
Loc: Melbourne Victoria Australia
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Just wondering, why are some of my quizes unranked dispite having been played in excess of 100 times?
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#236915 - Sat Dec 03 2005 10:22 AM
Re: Quiz Rankings
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Registered: Thu Oct 16 2003
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This is something Terry started so that they would stay at the top of their category list for a few weeks, and maybe give them a chance to get played more often. At least I think that's why he did it!
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#236917 - Sat Dec 03 2005 04:22 PM
Re: New Quiz Rankings
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Registered: Sat Nov 12 2005
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Loc: Melbourne Victoria Australia
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