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#241275 - Sat Aug 28 2004 08:57 PM Australian Federal Election
abcdefghijkl1 Participant Registered: Wed Aug 11 2004 Posts: 18 Loc: Wanneroo, Western Australia	John Howard, the Prime Minister of Australia has called an Australian Federal Election for Saturday the 9th of October. Will Howard and the Liberal Party be re-elected for a fourth consecutive term or will Mark Latham and the Labor Party win. Drop in and share your views on the campaign.
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#241276 - Sat Aug 28 2004 09:01 PM Re: Australian Federal Election
Copago Moderator Registered: Tue May 15 2001 Posts: 14384 Loc: Australia	Ah they called it - first I've heard - thanks Abc. Never voted labour, never will - not a little Johnny voter (nationals so much of a muchness really) either but I hope he gets in ahead of Latham. Edited by Copago (Sat Aug 28 2004 09:05 PM)
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#241277 - Sat Aug 28 2004 09:15 PM Re: Australian Federal Election
abcdefghijkl1 Participant Registered: Wed Aug 11 2004 Posts: 18 Loc: Wanneroo, Western Australia	Quote: I hope he gets in ahead of Latham Why should we trust Howard with another term of Government. He lied about the GST, he lied about the boat people and he lied about Iraq. He has throughout his term neglected the poor and underpriveliged. Australia needs a Labor government to undo all of Howards conservative reforms. I believe that Latham will look after the poor, fund the health and education systems more and not give so many tax cuts to the wealthy.
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#241278 - Sat Aug 28 2004 09:56 PM Re: Australian Federal Election
ozzz2002 Moderator Registered: Mon Dec 03 2001 Posts: 20912 Loc: Sydney NSW Australia	The polls have this one as very close, but I think that is because the electorate cannot decide who is the lesser of two evils. Do we need a liar, or a brawler in the top job? I am not a fan of little Johnny (we will NOT introduce a GST!), but I think Labor has made the wrong choice of leader, too. I traditionally have voted Labor, but would probably class myself as a swinging voter now. Not sure who I will vote for... _________________________ The key to everything is patience. You get the chicken by hatching the egg, not smashing it. Ex-Editor, Hobbies and Sports, and Forum Moderator
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#241279 - Sat Aug 28 2004 11:07 PM Re: Australian Federal Election
abcdefghijkl1 Participant Registered: Wed Aug 11 2004 Posts: 18 Loc: Wanneroo, Western Australia	Quote: The polls have this one as very close Maybe not, the latest Newspoll has the ALP up 54-46 and the Morgan Poll has the ALP up 55.5-45.5 (Both are two party preffered) If it stays this way it won't be remotely close. The polls have been bouncing around a lot so it could be an anomaly. The trend is definetly towards Latham though. Quote: Do we need a liar, or a brawler in the top job? I think Labor has made the wrong choice of leader Why label Latham a brawler. As far as I know the taxi driver he hit had stolen his wallet! This seems to be a conservative beat up to try and discredit Latham. I think that the ALP have chosen there leader well. Beazly is old and stale and wouldn't have had a hope against Howard. Latham is younger and brings something new to the job. (As you can tell, I am a Labor supporter)
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#241280 - Sat Aug 28 2004 11:24 PM Re: Australian Federal Election
_elbereth_ Forum Adept Registered: Tue Jun 22 2004 Posts: 129 Loc: Adelaide South Australia	The question is; Is a vote for Howard actually a vote for Howard? What are the chances that if he gets re-elected, he will retire and leave us with gulp Costello?
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#241281 - Sat Aug 28 2004 11:33 PM Re: Australian Federal Election
abcdefghijkl1 Participant Registered: Wed Aug 11 2004 Posts: 18 Loc: Wanneroo, Western Australia	Quote: The question is; Is a vote for Howard actually a vote for Howard? What are the chances that if he gets re-elected, he will retire and leave us with gulp Costello? Howard in his speech announcing the election said that he would remain PM "as long as his party wants him to" It sounds like he is dodging the question!
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#241282 - Sun Aug 29 2004 07:49 PM Re: Australian Federal Election
Engadine Multiloquent Registered: Sun Aug 08 2004 Posts: 3609 Loc: Sth East Qld Australia	The old adage, better the devil you know . . . may stand many Ausssies in good stead, noting only that the last time we had Labor at the helm, interest rates were triple+ what they are now and we (as a nation) had a hell of a lot larger debt! _________________________ I'd rather have a full bottle in front of me than a full frontal lobotomy!
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#241283 - Sun Aug 29 2004 08:09 PM Re: Australian Federal Election
Copago Moderator Registered: Tue May 15 2001 Posts: 14384 Loc: Australia	I don't think he'll hand over to Costello if the Libs win - not until at least mid term. And gasp Howard lied to us? Surely not a poitician! Howard's going to concentrate more on national security than Latham but they're both going to be big on the tax cuts! better go for the families! and so on. Thank god for paytv. Hey, no one ever brought it up at the time but is Peter Garret running for federal election or was it a state one? Edited by Copago (Wed Sep 01 2004 07:30 PM)
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#241284 - Mon Aug 30 2004 04:12 AM Re: Australian Federal Election
abcdefghijkl1 Participant Registered: Wed Aug 11 2004 Posts: 18 Loc: Wanneroo, Western Australia	Quote: is Peter Garret running for federal election or was it a state one? Garret is running for the federal seat of Kingsford Smith in NSW.
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#241285 - Mon Aug 30 2004 04:36 AM Re: Australian Federal Election
_elbereth_ Forum Adept Registered: Tue Jun 22 2004 Posts: 129 Loc: Adelaide South Australia	The morning after the election date was announced, we woke to discover that our suburb was completely covered with election posters. I mean totally covered, as in two posters to a pole Strangely enough, they are all for the same person! Slight overkill, perhaps?
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#241286 - Mon Aug 30 2004 07:07 AM Re: Australian Federal Election
sue943 Administrator Registered: Sun Dec 19 1999 Posts: 38005 Loc: Jersey Channel Islands	Perhaps a letter to the newspaper thanking the people concerned and saying that you now know who NOT to vote for. They are as bad as telephone sales or spam mail. _________________________ Many a child has been spoiled because you can't spank a Grandma!
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#241287 - Mon Aug 30 2004 07:48 AM Re: Australian Federal Election
gtho4 Administrator Registered: Sun Dec 26 1999 Posts: 54492 Loc: Sydney oz downunder	There was a great letter in the Sydney Moring Herald last week: Politicians are like nappies. They need to be changed, regularly.
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#241288 - Mon Aug 30 2004 08:29 AM Re: Australian Federal Election
ozzz2002 Moderator Registered: Mon Dec 03 2001 Posts: 20912 Loc: Sydney NSW Australia	Quote: Politicians are like nappies. They need to be changed, regularly. And for the same reason... _________________________ The key to everything is patience. You get the chicken by hatching the egg, not smashing it. Ex-Editor, Hobbies and Sports, and Forum Moderator
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#241289 - Tue Aug 31 2004 05:38 AM Re: Australian Federal Election
abcdefghijkl1 Participant Registered: Wed Aug 11 2004 Posts: 18 Loc: Wanneroo, Western Australia	The latest Newspoll released today shows that the election is getting closer. Howards primary vote has jumped to 43% whilst Lathams primary vote has fallen to 40%. The two party preffered still has Latham up 52-48 which would deliver him about a 10 seat majority. Two stories also came out that could hurt Howard, the Member for Adelaide, Trish Worth inadvertantly compared Asylum Seekers to "Dogs and Cats." Reports also came out that Queensland Liberal Senator, George Brandis reffered to the PM as "Lying Rodent" and that he had been forced to cover for him in the children overboard affair!
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#241290 - Tue Aug 31 2004 05:42 AM Re: Australian Federal Election
abcdefghijkl1 Participant Registered: Wed Aug 11 2004 Posts: 18 Loc: Wanneroo, Western Australia	Quote: The morning after the election date was announced, we woke to discover that our suburb was completely covered with election posters. Our local paper in WA reported that the day the election was announced avery person in several electorates was sent Liberal Party propaganda leaflets. The candidates denied that this was pre printed! How are we supposed to believe that!!!!
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#241291 - Wed Sep 01 2004 12:19 AM Re: Australian Federal Election
Engadine Multiloquent Registered: Sun Aug 08 2004 Posts: 3609 Loc: Sth East Qld Australia	Quote: The latest Newspoll released today shows that the election is getting closer. Howards primary vote has jumped to 43% whilst Lathams primary vote has fallen to 40%. The two party preffered still has Latham up 52-48 which would deliver him about a 10 seat majority. Do you really believe the Polls? Aren't 99% of statistics 'made up' anyway? lol lol lol I just love a good Election, my husband tags along to vote (he's Irish) and stands in the booth next to me and asks me who to vote for (hey, wait a minute, isn't that illegal?!?!?!) _________________________ I'd rather have a full bottle in front of me than a full frontal lobotomy!
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#241292 - Wed Sep 01 2004 05:57 AM Re: Australian Federal Election
ladymacb29 Moderator Registered: Wed Mar 15 2000 Posts: 16214 Loc: The Delta Quadrant	Who said the quote "There are three kinds of lies. Lies, damn lies and statistics"? For statistics, if you do the same poll over and over, you can show trends. But unless all the varied polls are taken into account, they don't generally show much more than that. _________________________ "Without the darkness, how would we see the light?" ~ Tuvok Editor for Television Category
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#241293 - Wed Sep 01 2004 04:07 PM Re: Australian Federal Election
abcdefghijkl1 Participant Registered: Wed Aug 11 2004 Posts: 18 Loc: Wanneroo, Western Australia	Quote: Do you really believe the Polls? Aren't 99% of statistics 'made up' anyway? lol lol lol 99% of stats are not made up. Newspapers and political organisations pay significant sums of money to polling organisations like Newspoll, Roy Morgan and ACNielsen to get a representation of the populations view. If the polling organisations fabricated there results, no newspapers would buy them! Quote: Who said the quote "There are three kinds of lies. Lies, damn lies and statistics"? Mark Twain
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#241294 - Wed Sep 01 2004 07:05 PM Re: Australian Federal Election
Engadine Multiloquent Registered: Sun Aug 08 2004 Posts: 3609 Loc: Sth East Qld Australia	It is commonly believed that anyone who tabulates numbers is a statistician. This is like believing that anyone who owns a scalpel is a surgeon (R. Hooke, "How to Tell the Liars from the Statisticians" _________________________ I'd rather have a full bottle in front of me than a full frontal lobotomy!
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#241295 - Fri Sep 24 2004 08:00 AM Re: Australian Federal Election
Engadine Multiloquent Registered: Sun Aug 08 2004 Posts: 3609 Loc: Sth East Qld Australia	Anybody been 'saturated' yet? I don't believe we've seen the half of the advertising that we're going to get - saving it all up for the last turn before the post I'll wager . . . _________________________ I'd rather have a full bottle in front of me than a full frontal lobotomy!
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#241296 - Sat Sep 25 2004 01:41 AM Re: Australian Federal Election
_elbereth_ Forum Adept Registered: Tue Jun 22 2004 Posts: 129 Loc: Adelaide South Australia	I went to the movies last night, and there was actually a political ad shown along with the others. It went like this: Diet coke, that annoying anti-movie pirating ad, another diet coke ad, Australian Liberal Party , another diet coke ad I don't remember there being ads at the cinemas last time around, or maybe i just wasnt paying attention.
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#241297 - Sat Sep 25 2004 02:40 AM Re: Australian Federal Election
damnsuicidalroos Multiloquent Registered: Mon Feb 10 2003 Posts: 2167 Loc: Sydney NSW Australia	Cool a political thread. Quote: I believe that Latham will look after the poor, fund the health and education systems more and not give so many tax cuts to the wealthy. Are we talking about an Australian politician or Robin Hood? The surname does describe Latham very aptly though. Quote: I think that the ALP have chosen there[sic] leader well. Yes I think so as well. Labour once represented the common man and I can think of no man more common than Latham. Quote: It sounds like he is dodging the question! Lest we forget Mr Keating and Mr Hawke. "Et tu Keating." Quote: interest rates were triple+ I had better rethink my views on labour. I may finally get a better return from the banks on my term deposits! Quote: Thank god for paytv. Thank god for pay T.V. Quote: Garret is running for the federal seat of Kingsford Smith in NSW. Wow. So he may actually vote this year? Been waiting to hear of him doing that for years now. Quote: Politicians are like nappies. They need to be changed, regularly Rofl. Quote: Reports also came out that Queensland Liberal Senator, George Brandis reffered[sic] to the PM as "Lying Rodent" and that he had been forced to cover for him in the children overboard affair! Reports also came out that Australia had a case of mad cow disease. Reports seem to quite often fall into the same catagory as statistics. Someone said that someone said is all this report has amounted to at this stage. abcd[etc] this wasn`t a personal attack on you btw. I`m just having a bit of fun. All the pollies are to me the same[ Howard reminds me of Orwells Snowball and Latham bears an uncanny resemblance to said writers Squealer] and I find it very difficult when viewing the actual results of each party to find any difference in either party. Edited by damnsuicidalroos (Sat Sep 25 2004 02:47 AM)
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#241298 - Sat Sep 25 2004 06:54 AM Re: Australian Federal Election
Engadine Multiloquent Registered: Sun Aug 08 2004 Posts: 3609 Loc: Sth East Qld Australia	Quote: All the pollies are to me the same [Howard reminds me of Orwells Snowball and Latham bears an uncanny resemblance to said writers Squealer] and I find it very difficult when viewing the actual results of each party to find any difference in either party. Ah, the truth comes out - I too find it very difficult . . . to find any difference in either party! They are, after all, all just politicians! A 'thing' we in Australia are unfortunately burdened with way too many of! _________________________ I'd rather have a full bottle in front of me than a full frontal lobotomy!
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#241299 - Mon Sep 27 2004 11:02 PM Re: Australian Federal Election
tanzen Forum Champion Registered: Tue Oct 02 2001 Posts: 8311 Loc: Melbourne VIC Australia	Am I the only person missing Beazley? _________________________ I'm a maverick, I don't play by the rules you choose to live by.
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