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#241335 - Sat Aug 28 2004 11:54 PM why we should express our thoughts and feelings
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Most of you may have noticed that some people are privite with what they want to say,it is an issue to me when i am around those i don't know, but i still think it's so important to express yourself. Others might want to know what you are feeling so they can know how to act around you or to get to know you.(It could prevent you from making friends.) Sure, it's ok once in awhile but don't be afraid too often, (it could lead to lonlyness.)

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#241336 - Sun Aug 29 2004 02:39 PM Re: why we should express our thoughts and feelings
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Um, I'm sorry pinkster, but I don't really understand what you're saying as your post was hard to read for me. So could you please state what you are talking about more clearly so those of us who don't know will understand?
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#241337 - Wed Sep 01 2004 07:43 PM Re: why we should express our thoughts and feelings
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Most of you may have noticed that some people are privite with what they want to say. Others might want to know what you are feeling so they can know how to act around you or to get to know you.(It could prevent you from making friends.) Sure, it's ok once in awhile but don't be afraid too often, (it could lead to lonlyness.)



Sorry for the missunderstanding. I made this post to tell others to express themselves, this way we can get to know each other a little more. It is also a great way to make friends, i am sorry if i did not make that clear.

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#241338 - Wed Sep 01 2004 08:48 PM Re: why we should express our thoughts and feelings
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Take a look at the post "When I was your age". Lots of thots and expressions from different folks in there.
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#241339 - Thu Sep 02 2004 08:17 PM Re: why we should express our thoughts and feelings
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I know, but not just in her but in real life some people are just too shy.

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#241340 - Thu Sep 02 2004 08:50 PM Re: why we should express our thoughts and feelings
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Well, in here is a good place to start looking for those kinds of people. There are just as many who are open as those who are shy everywhere you look.
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#241341 - Fri Sep 03 2004 08:48 AM Re: why we should express our thoughts and feelings
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I usually don't tell people how I feel because I really don't think many people out there actually care, so I usually keep it to myself.
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#241342 - Fri Sep 03 2004 10:39 AM Re: why we should express our thoughts and feelings
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I usually don't tell people how I feel because I really don't think many people out there actually care, so I usually keep it to myself.




But how do you know they don't care if you don't even give them the chance to let them hear what you have to say? You will never really know until you try. Keeping things to yourself is not always good. I used to be like that sometimes and it's much better to share things, people can be helpful if you let them. (There are exceptions, of course). But keeping things to yourself can be very tough and exhausting, don't you think?
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#241343 - Fri Sep 03 2004 10:57 AM Re: why we should express our thoughts and feelings
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I think the more people who see it's safe to do so by other's examples will make it more acceptable over time. It's surprising how I find out as a counsellor how long people keep things bottled up for years as they don't want to look vulnerable of bother people. We're all pretty similar really so there isn't as much to hide as we expect.
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#241344 - Tue Sep 07 2004 12:40 PM Re: why we should express our thoughts and feelings
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It's surprising how I find out as a counsellor how long people keep things bottled up for years as they don't want to look vulnerable or bother people.




That's exactly how I feel. I know that other people have their problems, so I don't need to bother them with mine. Besides, people think I talk too much as it is!
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#241345 - Tue Sep 07 2004 01:00 PM Re: why we should express our thoughts and feelings
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But keeping things to yourself can be very tough and exhausting, don't you think?




I usually keep things to myself unless I know the other person well. Middle school wasn't easy for me and I've found it much easier (and safer) to generally keep those things that could cause you hurt to yourself.

But I also don't usually trust people until I know them either, so there you go.

And no, it's not exhausting because I've learned to let things that bother me roll off and try to focus on the good things and/or because I can talk to my parents, boyfriend and friends about whatever bothers me.

But to open up to people I'm not extremely close to just frightens me.
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#241346 - Tue Sep 07 2004 01:06 PM Re: why we should express our thoughts and feelings
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Ladymacb, you have said that all much better than I ever could! I think that was the point I was trying to get across earlier, it just wasn't coming out very well.
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#241347 - Tue Sep 07 2004 02:56 PM Re: why we should express our thoughts and feelings
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But to open up to people I'm not extremely close to just frightens me.




But I wasn't talking about opening up and sharing things with people you don't know or aren't closed to. I wouldn't go and tell people I don't know or I'm not closed to things that are personal. I'm sorry if I wasn't clear on that aspect. It was my misunderstanding!


Edited by minkpenny (Tue Sep 07 2004 03:03 PM)
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#241348 - Wed Sep 08 2004 09:51 AM Re: why we should express our thoughts and feeling
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Many people find it much easier to tell their problems and troubles to a complete stranger, far less embarrassing. I work for an organisation which gives advice and information, people come to us with every problem you can think of, then some more. We don't judge, we are completely impartial and unshockable, and once the person has left or put the phone down that is an end to it, we move on to the next person. They know they never have to meet us, unless they wish to, they never have to speak to us again.
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#241349 - Wed Sep 08 2004 09:57 AM Re: why we should express our thoughts and feeling
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When my best friend was in Scotland for 6 months we used to e-mail eachother a couple a times a day. It was very easy to be very open about basically everything, since we weren't eye to eye. But what a shock when he came back! Of course I knew he'd be back eventually, but I kind of forgot he'd still know all those stuff about me. And I knew things about him that he wouldn't normally have shared either. Yikes, the first time when we met after his return was pretty awkward!
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#241350 - Wed Sep 08 2004 06:32 PM Re: why we should express our thoughts and feeling
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I wrote a little book on counselling which I showed to a colleague who had also just written a book on hypnosis. He said 'Of course you know there's nothing new under the sun- everything we think is original has been found already and we're just presenting it in our own way'. Now whether or not he was right, it points out what I said, that there should be little or nothing in any of us (besides any criminality) which should really shock or surprise anyone. There are only so many things we can do or think of, with variations, and like Sue, I also hear more or less the lot, and when I started I expected such a wide variety of clients' problems, but most turned out to be variations on a few themes. People regularly preface a revelation, often after months of building up trust in me to do so, with 'This will shock you' or similar, and then come out with the sort of thing you can read about in a thousand novels or see in numerous TV soaps etc. In fact, the real stories will often need to be toned down for TV as people would be unlikely to believe them.

Just in my own case, I have been happy to say more or less anything about myself if I believe it will be received sympathetically, and here in the forums if someone else is good enough to share any personal problems (which of course will have a wide audience of helpful people to support them) I will do the same. When I used to listen to the counselling on the radio when I heard really reasonable and sensible people then admit they had all range of personal problems, it gave me hope to realise that problems didn't make a person different, but were something that's usually a part of what most would consider normal people and not something that makes anyone different, or worse, inadequate. I have my own share, but that's my classic Jungian 'dark side', a natural human balance that doesn't affect my status as a person, but is just an aspect of it.
Of course, we all have to select who we tell what to, and there are people who will always try and exploit other's weaknesses, or make fun of them or criticise them, but in my case I've heard it all before, and there are few if any original rude comments people can think of to throw at people, and it just shows them up for who they are in being judgemental. I am only too happy to discover a few special people who would understand me and accept me with all my deepest secrets, and the ones who didn't wouldn't really have accepted me anyway in the long run, as they'd only be accepting the bits I chose to show them, and not the whole. The first few times people confide in you can be a shock, but you soon get used to it.
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#241351 - Thu Sep 09 2004 12:25 AM Re: why we should express our thoughts and feeling
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I agree that we have heard most things many times but we must, as listeners, remember that to the person concerned this has assumed gigantic significance perhaps almost taking over their lives. We never just dismiss it as being commonplace, each is uninque because of the person concerned.

In the forums we do tell each other things about ourselves that we wouldn't necessarily tell people face to face.
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#241352 - Thu Sep 09 2004 04:53 PM Re: why we should express our thoughts and feeling
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You're right on the first point, Sue. One golden rule for counsellors is the client's problem is as big as they feel it is, not what we feel it is. Many of my clients on paper are far more successful than me, but only see the gaps and not the filling. Therefore it's sometimes as much about attitude than position, depending on what the problem is.
As I prefer to use cognitive therapy, which challenges the clients' conclusions they have made about their life to see whether they are accurate, it helps create a realistic attitude from one of focusing on the negative. Albert Ellis provided the main body of work on this, with his 'Rational Emotive therapy', though he tended to rely on this one 'False conclusion' method alone. I'd be happy to start a separate thread about counselling if anyone has questions about it (ie not actual problems for counselling online!).
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#241353 - Fri Sep 10 2004 12:17 AM Re: why we should express our thoughts and feeling
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That would be fine so long as we keep it general and don't actually provide a service - no insurance to cover us for a start.
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#241354 - Fri Sep 10 2004 09:37 PM Re: why we should express our thoughts and feeling
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I really enjoyed reading this thread because it addresses some of the issues that I think about a lot.
I am one of those people who have a really hard time talking to people I don't know. It sometimes gets to the stage where I literally freeze or run away So it always takes me forever to find friends. I agree that it is easier to talk to people over the internet (at least a bit).
Anyway, this thread helped me realize that I am not the only one who is scared, so thanks for that
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