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#247129 - Thu Oct 28 2004 09:19 PM Boo Ashlee Simpson
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What do you think of Ashlee Simpson's music? I personally think she is highly overrated and can't sing. Her "singing" on SNL just proves she's a lip-syncing phony.

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#247130 - Thu Oct 28 2004 09:27 PM Re: Boo Ashlee Simpson
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Who is Ashlee Simpson?
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#247131 - Thu Oct 28 2004 09:31 PM Re: Boo Ashlee Simpson
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She's Jessica Simpson's younger sister. She had her singing debut with "Autobiography".

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#247132 - Thu Oct 28 2004 10:28 PM Re: Boo Ashlee Simpson
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She was bound to mess up. I loved it how she just walked off stage, not caring about her band, she blamed it on the band saying they 'played the wrong song'. Pushaw. We all know she lip-synched. She lost about 1/3 of her fan base now. And it will continue to decline. Her career is officially over. Sweet revenge.

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#247133 - Sun Oct 31 2004 07:50 PM Re: Boo Ashlee Simpson
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Highly overrated? I didn't think she was rated high to begin with. Her cd has recieved mostly poor reviews. As for her music & singing, I think she'd do best not to have such over-produced songs burying her voice. Maybe with a halfway decent producer, she could find a place in the pop music world. Though now she sounds like those other Avril wanna-be's, which isn't a good thing to be.

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#247134 - Sun Oct 31 2004 08:22 PM Re: Boo Ashlee Simpson
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She had a throat problem that night...one can tell from her sign off on snl. Was it wrong? yeah, but i guess it beats listening to her croak up there on stage. Nobody's dumb enough to cancel an snl trip even if their throat is acting up.

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#247135 - Sun Oct 31 2004 09:25 PM Re: Boo Ashlee Simpson
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She was still unprofessional. She blamed the band for something that was not their fault. As a musician, I recognize their professionalism for continuing to play even after she walked offstage.

She should have recognized that there was a mistake made, acknowledged that she had a vocal problem/illness, apologized to her listeners, and moved on. That would have shown maturity. Her lack of it is what will lose her audience, not the actual lip-synching.


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#247136 - Sun Oct 31 2004 11:47 PM Re: Boo Ashlee Simpson
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She had a throat problem that night...one can tell from her sign off on snl. Was it wrong? yeah, but i guess it beats listening to her croak up there on stage. Nobody's dumb enough to cancel an snl trip even if their throat is acting up.




Or that's the story she told. She's covering. And for that, her music career is going down.

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#247137 - Mon Nov 01 2004 09:18 AM Re: Boo Ashlee Simpson
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She sounded pretty raspy. But yeah, it was quite unprofessional of her to blame it on the band. If I were one of those band members, I'd drop her [censored].

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#247138 - Mon Nov 01 2004 05:43 PM Re: Boo Ashlee Simpson
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BTW, I am a singer. When I was in college, I performed many times with bronchitis. It didn't matter how horrible I sounded with my speaking voice, I could always sing. There was at least one time when I had almost no speaking voice at all, but I could belt out those arias just fine. If Ashlee were properly trained, and using her voice correctly, she would have been able to perform. The only thing I can think of to prevent someone from singing would be polyps or nodes, and then she would have been out for 6-9 months while they healed.
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#247139 - Mon Nov 01 2004 08:15 PM Re: Boo Ashlee Simpson
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Having been enlightened to who Hilary Duff was here not long ago, I was also wondering about Jessica Simpson, who I have seen discussed around here but never heard of. I take it this is a personality (along with her sister) who hasn't yet made the transition to the east side of the Atlantic? Now Jessica Rabbit, Lisa Simpson, Hillary Clinton, Duff beer I do know of, but not the other combinations I've found. Though I do now know who Hilary Duff is, I also imagine she isn't well known either in the bright lights of Golders Green, Hendon or East Finchley, though at my age I may be unlikely to cross her path even if she is
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#247140 - Tue Dec 21 2004 11:46 AM Re: Boo Ashlee Simpson
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So Simpson lip-synched. What else is new? Anyone remember Milli Vanilli?

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#247141 - Tue Dec 21 2004 01:03 PM Re: Boo Ashlee Simpson
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joe,

It's not the fact that she lip'synched that bothers people, it's that she blasted others who do it just days prior to doing it herself. She said it was something she would never do.
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#247142 - Thu Dec 23 2004 01:26 AM Re: Boo Ashlee Simpson
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So Simpson lip-synched. What else is new? Anyone remember Milli Vanilli?

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Don't forget the controversy that surrounded Britney Spears when she was accused of lip-synching. ^.^

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#247143 - Sun Dec 26 2004 09:00 AM Re: Boo Ashlee Simpson
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I have no appreciative entertainment talent (unless singing tenor in a church choir counts), but i can see situations where lip-synching would benefit both the artist and the audience.

I've heard many artists say how difficult it is to sing well early in the morning. I know this to be true singing in the choir. I'm amazed when I see artists singing at 7:00am on Good Morning America and other early programs. Artists make performance commitments months or years in advance and I'm sure it happens that on occasion the artist doesn't feel well, is emotionally upset, or countless other reasons that may result in a less than acceptable performance.

In these two cases, lip-synching would benefit the artist both for the immediate problem and the long range impact on their career, and the public would be satisfied in enjoying a good performance instead of an inferior one.

I think we tend to expect too much from artists; they always have to perform at a level expected by the public and, as human beings, that always isn't possible.
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#247144 - Sun Dec 26 2004 09:15 AM Re: Boo Ashlee Simpson
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satguru:

Jessica Simpson is the latest in a long line of bottle-blond American girl singers. Jessica has a gimick; she feigns a 'dumb blonde' demeanor, a la Marilyn Monroe. I'm sure her IQ is up there with Einstein, however, 'cause she's turned her gimick into millions of dollars by increasing her solo singing appearances, then teaming up with her heart-throb husband for duet singing, and starring (with her boy-toy) in a reality TV program letting the public watch her first year of marriage "Nick and Jessica."

She'll probably go the way of so many of her counterparts. A year from now, she'll be 'Jessica who?'

Oh and, by the way, Ashley is her younger sister
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#247145 - Sun Dec 26 2004 10:53 AM Re: Boo Ashlee Simpson
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Yes, vocalists have issues sometimes that make lip syncing preferable. But, as Silver pointed out, blasting other people who do it then doing it yourself is a tad hypocritical.

If you're going to do it for any reason, you really shouldn't condemn others who do it too. It just makes for a sticky situation when you get caught.

I've known many vocalists. The majority of them always sang. Even at 7 or 8 AM when their voices weren't supposed to be up to snuff. They all sounded great.

Perhaps I'm a bit too critical, but when I pay good money to see an artist, I'm not paying to watch them match up their lip movements with pre-recorded tracks. I'm paying to see an actual performance. I've seen people perform at less that top quality due to health issues, I didn't care that they didn't sound the same as they did in the studio. I feel ripped off if I pay to see an artist and I get lip syncing instead. If they're going to do that, they should let the fans know not to expect an actual performance.
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#247146 - Sun Dec 26 2004 11:55 AM Re: Boo Ashlee Simpson
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If you go to a live concert that's when you can see if the artist has true talent. All the Avril Lavigne's and Ashlee Simpson's out there obviously don't and this lip synching proves it. Anybody can make up a good voice in a studio but when they get to the stage, they're in trouble.

I've especially noticed this with Avril...I saw her on Live TV once and honestly, her performance was horrendous. Her voice was totally different to the album version and she was just standing in front of a microphone, hands by her sides, as if she couldn't care less about singing, and not showing any emotion.

Now with Ashlee Simpson lip synching...some artists just really have to give more to their fans and non-fans alike so they can become fans.

It just goes to show, if you're in it for just the money and fame you won't get anywhere.
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#247147 - Sun Dec 26 2004 01:45 PM Re: Boo Ashlee Simpson
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I have had to perform at all hours of the morning, day and evening. If you have to sing early, you better be up two hours minimum before that performance so you can get a good hour warm up before hand. It takes me a good 30 minutes to work out the mucus and actually start vocalising.

If Ashlee had really felt so poorly that she couldn't sing, then she might have postponed her performance. You know they have to have a backup in case of some emergency.

And you should always be careful about saying things like "I will never do this..." because those things will turn around and bite you on the rear end. If Ashlee learns something from this, then it's all good. If she doesn't, then I pity her.
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#247148 - Fri Jan 07 2005 07:16 PM Re: Boo Ashlee Simpson
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Since her show, I knew she couldn't sing, but I bought the album anyway. How many popular artists can really sing anyway? The song's are a little overdone, too "bouncy", but some of them are decent. Anybody that watched the show knows she HAD to lipsync.
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#247149 - Fri Jan 07 2005 08:52 PM Re: Boo Ashlee Simpson
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Since her show, I knew she couldn't sing, but I bought the album anyway. How many popular artists can really sing anyway? The song's are a little overdone, too "bouncy", but some of them are decent. Anybody that watched the show knows she HAD to lipsync.




Actually, there are quite a few artists who can sing well. Remember MTV unplugged?

And what do you mean she HAD to lipsync? That was a choice she made. No one forced her to do it.
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#247150 - Fri Jan 07 2005 09:15 PM Re: Boo Ashlee Simpson
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Few being the operative word. She had to lipsync because her natural voice sounds horrible.
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#247151 - Fri Jan 07 2005 10:40 PM Re: Boo Ashlee Simpson
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I'm not arguing that she does not sing well, but since she made the choice to be a pop star, she also made the choice to mock others who lip sync, then chose to lip sync herself. It's all about choices.

And I have seen quite a few live shows, and I'm usually only disappointed with the opening acts. Although I saw OKGo live, twice, opening for They Might Be Giants, and while the first time was mediocre, the second time was actually very good. They sound like their recordings. In fact, I'm trying to think of a live show I've seen that I didn't enjoy.... and I can't think of one. They Might Be Giants, Pink Floyd, Rolling Stones, Living Colour (who opened for the Stones), Bon Jovi( and yeah, they gave a great show), Sting, Alanis Morissette, OK Go, Harry Belafonte (WOW what a show) and I'm sure there are others I can't think of right now since it's fairly late. All really good shows.

Now, looking at the live shows I've been to, you will notice a lack of teeny bopper singers, boy bands, etc. No Britney Spears, N'Sync, Christina, Backstreet Boys, etc. Don't have any desire to see them perform, and don't own any of their albums. Do they lip sync because they can't sing? Don't know and don't care. But I don't believe they run their mouths about people who do, then turn around and do it themselves - which Ashlee did.
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#247152 - Sun Jan 16 2005 03:58 PM Re: Boo Ashlee Simpson
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I agree with you that she shouldn't have said anything about other people that lipsync. If she would not have done that, I think that her lipsynching would not have been a big deal.
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#247153 - Sun Jan 23 2005 04:35 PM Re: Boo Ashlee Simpson
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Looking at your list, Silver, I'd say another myth has just been trampled. I've heard over and over how acts like Britney and Sync must lip sync because of all of the dancing they do onstage.

You've seen The Stones, Alanis Morrisette and Ok Go live. These acts are generally high energy. On a side note I'm jealous that you've seen TMBG and Ok Go live. None of these people lip sync when they perform yet they still turn in very good performances.

I don't think the dancing has much to do with the need to lip sync. One of my favorite bands, Marvelous 3, used to put on shows with so much energy the crowd was exhausted after watching them! Not once did their singer lip sync. The man would jump around the stage like the Energizer Bunny after several double espressos and not once did he lip sync. He always sounded great, he always put on the best show ever and he always remained true to the fans by not pretending to perform.

Before Ashlee's sister got a show on MTV, nobody knew who she was. She had a bit part in a horrid movie and a role on 7th Heaven. Now, she's a "pop star." I heard one of her songs in a commercial and you can't pick out the vocals. I agree, she needs a better producer. Actually, I think she needs a new line of work, but that's just me.
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