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Japanese is an African Language

Do an internet image search on the following Nigerian names; Haruna, Sambo, Pankan, Kwashi, Imoko, Chika, Azuka, Ezuka, Koma, Zoro, Watanabe, Nene, Osato, Osaru, Okada, Edo, Baba, Emiko, Kano, Nana, Aya, Tami, Tai, Sada, Ikimi, Ume You will more likely see a Japanese link than a Nigerian link.
Japanese are Negroid people who were bleached out by invading Mongolians from present day Mongolia.
See my langauge illustrations at http://www.stewartsynopsis.com/links_to_japanese_and_african_la.htm

The American golf player: Tiger Woods, is partially of Thailand Negrito parentage and has instructed the Press to stop refering to him as African-American.
In Southern Thailand there is a Negrito population of Theravada Buddhists.

Of course it is, my friend; of course it is.

What is more, the Irish are the Lost Tribe of Israel (their noses reduced in size and hawkishness but also transmogrified almost into the shape of a potato as a result of countless generations of swilling Guiness night and day, man and boy), as conclusively proved by the fact that Ronan (or Ronen) is both Irish and an Israeli name.

On behalf of, well, of all of us, really, I thank you for adding another gem to the Crown of Knowledge.

The Crown of Knowledge will receiving further gemstones from me very soon.

The Irish language from its Celtic origins can be linked to Sanskrit, the source of the Indo-European classification. But India is derived from 'indigo'. the largest population of Blacks outside Africa is in India; Sanskrit started in Africa, precisely in this geographical region called Nigeria. Nigerian languages are Sanskrit dialects.

Archenar,
Thanks for the info. In the Nepali language which also uses Devanagari alphabet
'my father' is miro baba .
In Yoruba language of West Africa, 'my father ' is baba mi.
I know of an Indian town called Orissa, which is similar to Orisha, Oricha, Oritshe (spirit worship) in Nigeria.

Russian "horoscho" ("good") sounds much like English "horror show."

Thus, the inhabitants of the British Isles must necessarily must be descended from survivors of an expedition dispatched by Prince Vladimir in approximately AD 1000.

Hello xaosdog,
Thanks for the translation of Russian "horoscho" , meaning 'good'.
But horoscho means the same as heureux (in French, happy) and horoscope(search for something good).

Slavic languages are also from Sanskrit.
In A.D. 1066 the British isles were invaded by Normans, and the remnants of that are the French names borne by British; Leballeur, Le Carre ,etc.

England or Angleterre is from Ankhland , Ankh being an Egyptian symbol for what became a Coptic Cross.
Also, 'anchor', is derived from Ankh, (and has a similar shape)

Read More of the Black Celts at
http://www.cwo.com/~lucumi/british.html
Regards,
Onimisi baiye

Yes, yes, brilliant! Let us cast aside the actual but inconvenient etymologies of these words, and their actual but inconvenient definitions, and concentrate our attention on what they SOUND like! Then there are no limits to what we can prove!

Naysayers would point out that horoscope does not actually mean "search for something good;" the unimaginative would point out the resemblance of the word "horoscope" to an almost identical world in common currency among the ancient Greeks, plainly derivable from root words meaning "one who examines (or subjects to scrutiny) the passage (more accurately, the divisions) of time."

But we are free of the limitations of history! This new linguistish science cannot be stopped, nor even slowed!

It occurs to me that the Egyptian god Horus ALSO has an H, an R, and an S in his name -- and that "god" and "good" are spelled almost the same in English! So the Russians are necessarily the descendants of the pharoahs, meaning that when Prince Vladimir sent out his expedition (roughly a hundred years BEFORE the Battle of Hastings), wittingly or no he was creating a far-flung colony of Egyptians on the British Isles!

Kidding aside, I am all in favor of promoting the idea of the brotherhood of man, and I believe there is no doubt that humans evolved on the African continent and spread out from there, so that all living humans share a single African ancestor and indeed so that all living humans speak a language which is ultimately descended from an African language.

But frankly, you make that point seem more than faintly ridiculous when you assert that homophony implies derivation. It doesn't. When your examples are so transparent that they don't need refutation to fail, you undermine the conclusions that (I assume) you are interested in promoting.

Since I myself have an interest in keeping the concepts of human brotherhood and African origin from becoming associated in the public mind with crackpots and crackpot reasoning, I feel it to be my duty to point out that your arguments are entirely spurious.

You CANNOT expect to convince anyone if you ignore basic facts (such as, that the aspiration and R of "'ora" came into juxtaposition with the S of "skopeo" to make the modern word "horoscope" because 'ora was combined with skopeo, and not because there is any connection with these other words that you assert its relation to, such as horoscho or heureux). To convince people, you have to take basic facts into account, and then show that your imaginative explanation explains the known facts as well as any current theory -- and that it explains at least one additional observable phenomenon not accounted for by the widely accepted theories. Wild assertions which ignore known facts just invite ridicule.

Moreover: what if some of your points are correct? What if there are more homophonic morphemes between Japanese and, say, the Kwa branch of the Niger-Congo languages, than could be accounted for by the widely accepted classification of Japanese as an Altaic language (plus the operations of chance). What then?

Well, you might be convincing, if you then showed that Japanese differed specifically from other Altaic languages in sharing these homophonic morphemes with the Niger-Kordofanian languages, and that elements of Japanese grammar can be better explained by postulating membership with the Niger-Congo languages than by membership with the Altaic languages.

Or perhaps you could use evidence beyond homophony -- especially the morphology-free homophony you seem to be so enamored of -- to generate a convincing story that Japanese is the product of a "marriage" between an Altaic and a Kwa language, much as English is the product of a "marriage" between a Germanic, Saxon language and Norman French. You would have to point to evidence, and be able to make predictions based on the theory which could be proven true for this to be convincing, but if the data were on your side you could do it. [You would, of course, have to give up your ludicrous theory that "English" comes from "ankh-lish."]

So, what if it really were true that Japanese were more properly classified as a Kwa language? Well, we would never suspect it, and indeed would assume the opposite to be true, after reading your arguments -- all because you are so willing to pepper your discourse with howlers. It only takes five or six of your more egregiously ill-supported claims before we begin to suspect that there isn't even a grain of truth at the center of your pearl of claptrap.

To sum up: if you want to be convincing, you must make fewer assertions and make sure none of the ones you make are provably wrong. Or else get out of the business of promoting your ideas to anyone who doesn't already believe them. As it is, you make it harder to keep the ultimate conclusions respectable!

Hello Again xaosdog,
We need more people like you to keep the forum on heat, in such a cold country!
Kwa, Niger-Congo, Kordofonian are the creations of rampaging pen-wielding colonial adventurers who believed that a 'God' was saving the 'King' and 'Queen'. Africans never told you that they were kwa, Niger or kordofonian; these are you inheritances.
Japanese is the brother of a super-language that resulted in the offspring of most Nigerian languages. But of course you know very little of Nigerian languages other than your inherited classifications, so try to learn them, vocabulary-wise.
You should first of all leave your inherited business .

Be a merry old soul like old King Coal

I'm with xao. It's akin to saying how 'there' and 'their' sound the same so they must mean the same thing.

Or you could look at the stastistical fact that give a infinite number of moneys an infinite number of typewriters and they'll eventually write Shakespeare. Statistically, words will sound the same from language to language. Does that mean there's a relationship? Not necessarily.

Look at Dutch. The word je means you. And in French? Je means I. It's not the same word, althought it's spelled the same. Does that mean that Duth is really a French language or French is really a Dutch language? No.

Or look at a Native American language (I forget which off the top of my head) that has the word anasazi. And Germany had the Nazis. Are they related? Not necessarily.

If you can go back and trace the routes of the languages and where they came into contact, that's your proof. Homophones are not proof of anything besides the fact that the sounds a human makes is not infinite.

And please, double check before you post. It's a bit galling when one hears that India, is derived from Indigo, and in the very same breath also hears that Orissa is a town (??) in India.{Both wrong, I might add), The word Orissa is definitely not derived from Spirit Worship, but from the Oriya group of people there.

Well, you're right.

You are quite right that I don't have any knowledge of these languages apart from my study of a body of knowledge which can be traced back, in part, to the findings of nineteenth-century philologists who, for the most part, were agents of the empire. I am sure many of them were horrifyingly biased, and that many of them made errors.

Because I have no first-hand knowledge of the languages, as you correctly point out, at least the African part of my linguistics expertise is just so much received wisdom: I am in no position to judge its accuracy or inaccuracy.

So I don't. Instead, I pointed out a fairly small proportion of the ridiculous, astounding errors you made in your various postings, and pointed out -- without any mean-spiritedness -- that the inclusion of crackpot-style errors in part of your reasoning causes one to suppose it not unlikely that the same kind of error pervades ALL of your reasoning.

I pointed out that if your discourse were free of these kinds of errors, your audience would be more inclined to take you seriously in areas where you can claim expertise.

I also sketched in broad strokes what a convincing argument would have to look like -- essentially, how to show that your theory is better than the one derived from imperialist philology. After all, it is one thing to say that there are flaws in grouping Sub-Saharan languages into Kordofanian and Niger-Congo branches; it is quite another to demonstrate the existence of a better classification. Id est, a classification that better accounts for the actual data (for example, that Yoruba, Ibo, and Ijo are NOT more closely related to one another than they are to Swahili, Zulu, and Kongo). No one has done that, yet; but that does not mean it will never be done.

If I were you, I would take my message as friendly advice. Because, on the assumption that you are actually interested in convincing anyone that your ideas have merit, you'll never get anywhere if you don't change your tactics.

And, frankly, it isn't entirely harmless to go around spouting crackpot theories. As I stated earlier, it makes closely-related (but supportable) ideas, including the theory of an African origin for all humans, appear less credible. And that is a disservice to us all.

Lady Macbeth!?,
You have to be with xaosdog by default. Are you not with him on the same soil?
What is the meaning of Oriya? Ori means 'spirit'.
By the way, have you heared of the African Roman General called Othello? From Pax Romana to Pax Americana, our Generals are needed. see http://www.cwo.com/~lucumi/rome.html

Good Old xaosdog,
Where else do you want to originate from? From Outer Space? It's okay. Have this:

About 150 million years ago, the continents we know now did not exist. A single land mass existed and dinosaurs existed. The First People; Atlans and Titans were master astronauts; builders of spaceships roaming the cosmos. They established settlements on planets far beyond the Sun. The sky, red in colour, was not a physical barrier; human gods traveled to ‘heaven’ and returned as they wished. They reproduced asexually but later on chose to create females. The first people were all Black People. Their one language: Sanskrit.

http://www.orissa-tourism.com/
http://orissagov.nic.in/
http://www.orissaindia.com/

With almost 7000 known living languages spoken worldwide, many of them sharing a comparatively small amount of vowel sounds, there are bound to be linguistic coincidences cropping up amongst them. I absolutely love tinkering around with words so it seems perfectly natural to look for similar patterns within word formations, but I think that this is where some of the Proto-World theorists fall down. For every hundred words that can be proven to sound alike and share similar meaning there must be thousands that sound exactly the same yet have totally unrelated meaning. Coincidences really don't impress me much, especially when so many on the 'proven' list are monosyllabic.

I remember reading somewhere that in a study taken of language similarities, it was shown that a very high proportion of languages use similar words for mum, mama, mom, etc. An incredible coincidence? Well, not really when you consider that the 'mm' sound is one of the first that many human babies successfully master.

I'd also agree that it would seem perfectly feasible for Africa to have provided the source of all human language. I can't say that I know very much about African languages myself either, but I've always thought that logically one of the oldest forms of human speech surely must be related to the Xhosa 'click' language, but then again if that were the case, why didn't that particular style of language spread to other parts of the world?

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Edit: sorry, I can't get the link to work, so I'll just tack it on the end here.

http://members.aol.com/yahyam/protoworld.html

Those who were living on other planets could be called extra-terrestials by virtue of their ‘heavenly’ re-location. Those who remained behind named their capital Atlantis. Atlantis was run by energy sources that did not depend on petroleum or atomic energy. Death was only of the body. They re-incarnated, retaining memories of the previous life. Oracles co-existed with gadgets; divination complemented deduction. Everyone ate only from plants; everyone was vegetarian. They advanced in their capabilities, genetically engineering.............

"Scientific backing for prehistory, rather than a missionary interpretation of global creation myths."

Izzi,
Like xaosdog and Lady Macbeth, you are not backed with a knowledge of Japanese vocabulary or Nigerian vocabulary. Nigeria has over 200 languages.
Take the pain of learning some Japanese and some Nigerian languages.
You will find out that you cannot pronounce Nigerian names as well as a Japanese person can do. In addition learn a little bit of Sanskrit.

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In addition learn a little bit of Sanskrit

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In your spare time, Izzi.

I do know a bit of Sanskrit, OmnisiB, more than a bit as I have studied it for 4 years from the land of its birth, India, and I must say, I can find absolutely no reality in what you are saying. Many languages in the world sound the same, but that in no way implies that they are interrelated. That is merely due to the fact that there are after all, only a limited amount of sounds a person can make.

Where is Professor Higgins when you need him?