#247546 - Sun Oct 31 2004 10:57 PM
Songs with Hidden Messages and Associations
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Are they real or just coincidence? Some of the well-known ones include playing Pink Floyd's "Dark Side of the Moon" album with "Wizard of Oz", or Nine Inch Nails' "Downward Spiral" with Disney's "Fantasia". These, I think, are coincidence, though interesting to experience. Here's another, for your scrutiny: I really enjoyed a video I saw while dining at Hard Rock Cafe, featuring Christopher Walken dancing in a hotel. I couldn't hear the song, but found out later it was Fat Boy Slim's song, "Weapon of Choice". I'm not a Fat Boy Slim fan, but this song intrigued me. I recognized a line. Here are the lyrics: Quote:
Don't be shocked by tone of my voice Check out my new weapon, weapon of choice Don't be shocked by tone of my voice Check out my new weapon, weapon of choice yeah
Listen to the sound of my voice You can check it on out, it's the weapon of choice yeah Don't be shocked by tone of my voice (aah...) It's the new weapon, the weapon of choice yeah
You can blow wit' this Or you can blow wit' that You can blow wit' this Or you can blow wit' that You can blow wit' this Or you can blow wit' that Or you can blow wit' us
You can blow wit' this Or you can blow wit' that You can blow wit' this Or you can blow wit' that You can blow wit'...
Walk without rhythm, it won't attract the worm Walk without rhythm, and it won't attract the worm Walk without rhythm, and it won't attract the worm if you walk without rhythm, you'll never learn
Don't be shocked by the tone of my voice Check out my new weapon, weapon of choice Don't be shocked by the tone of my voice Check out my new weapon, weapon of choice
Be carefull, we don't know them Be carefull, we don't know them Be carefull, we don't know them Be carefull, we don't know them
You can blow wit' this Or you can blow wit' that You can blow wit' this Or you can blow wit' that You can blow wit' this Or you can blow wit' that Or you can blow wit' us
You can blow wit' this Or you can blow wit' that You can blow wit' this Or you can blow wit' that You can blow wit' this Or you can blow wit' that Or you can blow wit'
Organically grown Through the hemisphere I roam To make love to the angels of life, yeah and my girl I guess you just don't understand It's gone beyond being a man As I drift off into the night I'm in flight She's a boy's scoundral gal But I'm gonna hold my cool Cause the music rules, yeah so move on baby Check it out
Halfway between the gutter and the stars, yeah Halfway between the gutter and the stars Yeah
You can blow wit' this Or you can blow wit' that You can blow wit' this Or you can blow wit' that You can blow wit' this Or you can blow wit' that Or you can blow wit' us
You can blow wit' this Or you can blow wit' that You can blow wit' this Or you can blow wit' that You can blow wit'...
The line that caught my ear was "Walk without rhythm, it won't attract the worm", and many of the other lines in the song seem to bear up my thought; is Fat Boy Slim a fan of Frank Herbert's Dune? The worm line is straight from the book. The rest could be coincidence, but "Don't be shocked by the tone of my voice" could certainly be talking about Weirding, and the idea that the voice is the new weapon of choice follows as well.
So, am I imagining things? And have you ever found associations like this in songs? I'll say it surprised me to think that Fat Boy Slim enjoyed Frank Herbert, which is why I am still skeptical the association is very tangable.
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#247547 - Fri Nov 05 2004 10:53 AM
Re: Songs with Hidden Messages and Associations
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It's a possibility that Fat Boy Slim enjoys Dune. I've found many little hidden tidbits in songs.
The Old 97's have a song called "Rollerskate Skinny." The title is a reference to "The Catcher in the Rye." Holden describes his sister as "Rollerskate Skinny." It took me a few listens to catch the reference.
There's also a line in the song that details the singer's history. The line is:
"Wouldn't be here if the Athenia hadn't sunk."
The SS Athenia was sunk by a German U Boat during World War II. One passenger was an 18 year old girl who helped others get to safety before boarding a life boat. The first life boat she tried to board was washed away. She was finally able to board another and went on to marry one Giles Miller. Giles and Betty Miller had a son who fathered one Stewart Ransom Miller III. He's more commonly known as Rhett Miller or the singer guy from The Old 97's. It's a pretty cool story actually.
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#247549 - Mon Nov 08 2004 06:46 PM
Re: Songs with Hidden Messages and Associations
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Belle & Sebastian have lyrical & musical associations to Nick Drake & Bob Dylan. From "Fox in the Snow"- "Girl in the snow, where will you go/To find someone that will do?/To tell someone all the truth before it kills you...It only happens once a lifetime/Make the most of it/Second just to being born/Second to dying to/What else could you do?" Seems like Drake interpreting mid-'60s Dylan. Belle & Sebastian have clever lyrics that may or may not have hidden meanings. Same goes for Stew (my favorite singer-songwriter) and his sometime band, The Negro Problem. Stew stirs a mess of lyrical & musical associations & refernces within his tunes. I keep reading about Elliot Smith fans digging for hidden suicidal messages in his latest & last cd. Give it up, please, and just enjoy his music. Have cd's made hidden backward messages a thing of the past? Too bad. I'd love to have heard a backwards Oasis message claiming, "I buried Liam". 
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#247550 - Fri Jan 21 2005 01:05 PM
Re: Songs with Hidden Messages and Associations
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" Is Fat Boy Slim a fan of Frank Herbert's Dune? The worm line is straight from the book"
Norman Cook(Fatboy Slim) is a great fan of sampling in his songs so why not "sample" a line from a book
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#247551 - Tue Jan 25 2005 04:33 AM
Re: Songs with Hidden Messages and Associations
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What about this one? I think the book would be obvious to a lot of people, but what very famous band sang this?
Mine’s a tale that can’t be told, My freedom I hold dear; How years ago in days of old When magic filled the air, T’was in the darkest depths of mordor I met a girl so fair, But gollum, and the evil one crept up And slipped away with her. Her, her....yea. Ain’t nothing I can do, no.
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#247553 - Thu Jan 27 2005 10:56 AM
Re: Songs with Hidden Messages and Associations
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Yeah, I think the boys in Led Zeppelin dug Tolkein. See the lyrics of the Battle of Evermore and the title of Over the Hills and Far Away (a reference to There and Back Again...).
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#247554 - Thu Mar 31 2005 08:58 AM
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This, isn't exactly the same, but I still find it creepy that Cradle Of Filth's song "Dinner at Devients Palace" played backwards is clearly the Lords Prayer.
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#247555 - Wed Apr 06 2005 06:14 AM
Re: Songs with Hidden Messages and Associations
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At the end of a Beatles song...I think it was "Strawberry Fields Forever"...the words "cranberry sauce" were faintly heard, but people thought they heard "I buried Paul". (remember the rumor of Paul McCartney's death in the late 60's?) And at the end of "I Am the Walrus" they included lines from a BBC radio broadcast of "King Lear".
In fact, Ringo beat out John Lennon's initials in Morse code on his drums in "Fields", and "Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds" was inspired by a drawing by Lennon's son Julien, as well as "Hey Jude". So songs with hidden messages and associations weren't new to the Beatles.
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#247556 - Mon Apr 11 2005 06:18 AM
Re: Songs with Hidden Messages and Associations
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Absolutely fascinating Lothruin!
I have been a Dune fan [also a Fatboy Slim fan] for twenty years and have never heard of the link between the Fat Boy Slim song and Dune.
One point I can offer is that maybe, this is just an idea, apart from refering to the Weirding way [Voice] the lines Quote:
You can check it on out, it's the weapon of choice yeah
Don't be shocked by tone of my voice (aah...)
It's the new weapon, the weapon of choice yeah
could possibly also be a reference to Leto and the poison tooth Yueh [yeah?] planted in him to kill the Baron.
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This song is very much based on (at least peripherally) the David Lynch movie, Dune. Much of the heady subplot involves a secret weapon that one family has over all the others; the main character is, himself, a weapon; he knows a rare and closely-guarded martial art that no other men know; a subculture of witches called the Bene Gesserit utilize an ability called "The Voice" that allows them to bypass the victim's higher brain functions and give them an irresistable command, and the weird affect on Bootsy's voice during much of the song sounds a great deal like the weird affect used in the movie when The Voice is used; the line about Walking without rhythm and not attracting worms is lifted almost directly from the film (and the book); a major theme of the book and the movie is ascension to a higher form of life, as Paul is expected to transcend normal human existence (as in the lyric, "It's gone beyond being a man"), and the final stanza reflects this.
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From here.
Quote:
Halfway between the gutter and the stars, yeah
Halfway between the gutter and the stars
That line is from an Oscar Wilde quote, "we are are of us living in the gutter but some of us are looking at the stars", also used in a Pretenders song.
Edited by damnsuicidalroos (Mon Apr 11 2005 04:22 PM)
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