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#247689 - Mon Nov 01 2004 10:22 PM Re: What do you think of George W. Bush?
Jax Offline
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It is interesting to see a craftsman at work as they make a difficult task
look so easy.
That is what George W has done.
He took a declining economy and propped it up while dealing with the most vicious terrorist attack this county has ever seen.
But now it looks so easy, a Quaker, a Pacifist, a Democrat, a Libertarian-- ANYONE could have done it.
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#247690 - Tue Nov 02 2004 06:16 AM Re: What do you think of George W. Bush?
Woody156 Offline
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My, how times change. If George W. had been President during the Cuban Missile Crisis, would he be the hero that JFK is made out to be? Dubya would not have done anything differently then, yet JFK would have gone to war in Iraq, because it is what the American people wanted at the time. All you Monday morning quarterbacks, second guessing a man who had to make some very tough decisions, when your toughest decision is what to eat for breakfast. You all sound like those people who say, "The police could have shot the gun out of his hand, they didn't have to kill him".

Unless you've been there, you don't know how hard the decisions are.

It's easy to say, "they dragged us into their war", and "Israel-Palestine is the reason there's so much trouble in the Middle East". History tells us that Iraq has never had self determination, and neither have most middle eastern countries. The empires, (Ottoman, British, American) have been interfering for so long, there's no such thing as a national identity in any of those places.

There's more to political alliances than deciding whether or not to go along with what the US says. Most Americans felt betrayed by France, because they think they're still owed from WWII, and rightly so, but that's the decision that was made by the government of the day, and they have to respect their constituents. It doesn't matter what some citizen of the UK or Germany or Canada thinks of US policy, because they don't have a vote. If Goober from Kentucky says "Go to war" he carries alot more weight, just as if Jean from Paris says "Non". You best course of action would be to try to sway their opinion, like the makers of Farenheit 9-11 are trying to do.

Personally, I don't really care who wins the election, because life will go on for me. I'm lucky enough to live where I do. Yes, it breaks my heart to see people suffer because of war, but war happens. What is shameful is that the UN doesn't interfere where it should, (Rwanda).
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#247691 - Tue Nov 02 2004 08:17 AM Re: What do you think of George W. Bush?
ladymacb29 Offline
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yet JFK would have gone to war in Iraq, because it is what the American people wanted at the time.




Actually, I believe the polls weren't conclusive until the administration began their press releases about Saddam being connected to bin Laden.

But you know, I don't know what I would have done. I didn't see the intelligence that crossed Bush's desk. I didn't sit and listen to all the advisors. Etc. So I can't really say what I would have done. Yes, we all know the intelligence was faulty, that Hussein didn't really have any ties to Al Qaeda. And yes, we know that there was in-fighting among Bush's staff on what to do and how, that Bush ignored some of his advisors.

Kerry voted for the war, but now he's against it. That's not flip-flopping, that's new information coming to light. Like double-jeopardy, you can't be tried twice for the same crime unless new evidence comes to light.

But knowing what Bush knew, would I have gone to war with Iraq? I really don't know because I didn't see the intelligence. So I don't agree with him trying to put more faith in the intelligence than what was really there (as members of the administration and intelligence community are saying that what Bush said implicated Saddam was a small portion of the intelligence he saw) and it seems as though he didn't push for "well, how good is this intelligence?" enough, but I wasn't there.

So my opinion of him is how he went about things, not so much the decisions he made.
- I didn't like how initially he wasn't going to go to the UN. It wasn't until Powell practically FORCED himself (through Rice) to get a dinner date with Bush so he could express his view that the UN was necessary to show the country wasn't a rogue state itself.
- I didn't like how he barely admitted the intelligence regarding Saddam was faulty and during the campaign he's back to saying Saddam had weapons, was with bin Laden, etc. It seems to me like he's hoping the rest of us haven't been paying attention.
- I don't like the No CHild Left Behind Act because of its cookie-cutter approach. All children are not created equal, so why should they all be held to the same standards? And the program is barely funded. There's too much an emphasis on testing so kids end up being taught to take the test. And then there's the whole if the school fails, what happens? It loses money -> can't provide a good learning environment when you don't have money -> students fail the tests -> school loses money -> on and on.
- Bush created a huge deficit. Some deficits are ok when the economy is bad, but what the US has now isn't a good deficit. 90% of the debt the US has is held by foreigners. Not a good setup.
- I haven't really seen the job growth that he promised. I was looking for a job in DC - a city that should have had a plethora of jobs in political science/international affairs. I also looked for jobs back home. There was absolutely nothing back home that I could apply for.
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