#247950 - Tue Nov 02 2004 11:57 PM
all over- bar the shouting
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It seems that once again the incumbant hs prevailed and the USA are going to enjoy 4 more years of President Bush.
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#247951 - Wed Nov 03 2004 03:40 AM
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It seems that once again the incumbant hs prevailed and the USA are going to enjoy 4 more years of President Bush.
Enjoy?! You may enjoy being lied to, but I certainly do not. I cast my vote for Kerry and Edwards. In a world where everyone's opinion counts it seems that the electoral college needs a swift kick in the pants!
Oh, yes I know it has been around for a very long time, but really, what is the point in having the people vote, and then having them cast votes again for us?
The only thing I see is that if a candidate kisses up enough, gives enough money to the right people, well then, the college votes their way. The people of the USA do not count in politics...only money, and that is a hell of a crying shame!
This goes to show that our government thinks and wholeheartedly believes that we, its citizens, cannot be trusted as to who should be President of the United States.
It is a very sad day when a baboon and his cohorts get in, yet again. I have to sit and wonder...what the hell is wrong with this country?!?!
Four more years of lies is all that it will be. Heaven only knows when our troops will come home?! Do you honestly think Bush cares? Do you think he would be so willing to keep the troops there if a member of his family were physically over in Iraq? Hmm...Don't think so, in that case they (the ones related to him would have been home long ago)
Unfortunately, the better man lost to a clown. The only thing I can say is...May God have mercy on our souls for having a complete joke in charge of our country for another four years. By the time Bush is finished, we will not have any Allies left at all!
The only good thing to come is there can be another "Bushisms Calendar" made with more of his stupid quotes, he is the biggest joke worldwide, and he only brings shame to the USA.
(Edited to add: It is now 5:02am EST, and all votes have not been counted. It seems that Ohio is the deciding factor as all votes in that state have not been counted. And as side note, no President has ever won the White House without winning Ohio. I think you need to check your facts Cwm52 before you claim victory and go off and post something of which you obviously know nothing about.)
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Agnes (JTJ)
Edited by JuniorTheJaws (Wed Nov 03 2004 11:48 AM)
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#247952 - Wed Nov 03 2004 04:09 AM
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It puzzles me completely that Bush seems to be winning, (although I realise Ohio has yet to be counted.) I have not met a single American who had a good word to say. I am puzzled that a person who presents as being singularly lacking in intelligence, who makes a fool of himself in public with his uneducated speech and his incredible use of grammar, should be the choice of the people. I have not met anyone who thinks US forces should be in Iraq. Why, unless as Junior the Jaws says, it is some sort of internal method of passing over the wishes of the people who matter, the public. Won't you be in more danger now from 'terrsm'? I would so welcome someone who can explain to an ignorant 'forner'.
Edited by ren33 (Wed Nov 03 2004 04:15 AM)
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#247953 - Wed Nov 03 2004 04:25 AM
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Registered: Sat Dec 11 1999
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Loc: New York USA
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1. Bush is up by over 3 million in popular vote.
2. No Republican has ever won without Ohio. Democrats have.
3. The Electoral College is the only chance Kerry has now. He cannot catch Bush in popular vote.
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#247954 - Wed Nov 03 2004 04:29 AM
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Registered: Fri May 18 2001
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I'm aghast. I really am. Bush again? I was so buoyed by the exit polls - I thought this reign was done (but I guess exit polls lie, too). There is a rather large difference numerically (at least so far) between the votes so I don't think this unhappy turn of events will change. I heard someone say [during coverage last night] that a second term president will always strategically try to bridge the gap between parties. Gosh, I hope that is true in this case. I'm sure that Bush has an ego the size of Montana this morning. We need to get him in check and maybe that will happen if he gets sensible and gets some decent co-horts. It is my strong opinion (and it's not entirely based on personalities) that we, as a country, can't continue this anymore. It truly seems to me that Mr. Bush (who I will try to support as he goes) is the most ego-driven "Weapon Of Mass Destruction". And I'm sure that many of you will disagree with me. Trust me, I can take the criticism like a liberal.
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#247957 - Wed Nov 03 2004 04:42 AM
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It is 5:41am EST, and Ohio votes have been officially counted. The state and the 20 Electoral votes go/went to Bush?! How on earth could that possibly happen?! What is wrong with this country?! So much for a Democracy.    ----------- Agnes (JTJ)
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#247958 - Wed Nov 03 2004 04:50 AM
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Multiloquent
Registered: Fri Oct 22 1999
Posts: 2249
Loc: New Westminster BC Canada
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You all have my Deepest Sympathy!
I agree with JTJ and Gatsby.
He really is a WMD all by himself.
How sad.
I hope you get through his next 4 yrs unscathed.
PF
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#247959 - Wed Nov 03 2004 05:03 AM
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Registered: Sat Jun 12 2004
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I would like to express my deep sympathy and profound grief to all citizens of the world on this sad day. What can I say, I can only hope and pray that the world's environment and the world's people can surivive another 4 years of this WMD in office. Ave Bush! morituri te salutant. 
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#247960 - Wed Nov 03 2004 05:03 AM
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Update!
The News Networks have not called Ohio, and Kerry has been stated on record as saying he is not conceding, as all provisional ballots in Ohio have not been counted.
Kerry said he will not conceded, and therefore, until Kerry concedes, Bush will not/cannot claim victory.
It seems, that Kerry has learned from Gore's mistake...you never concede!
So, there is still a chance, however, slim that Kerry still stands a chance.
Fingers are crossed!
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Agnes (JTJ)
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#247961 - Wed Nov 03 2004 05:19 AM
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Registered: Thu Sep 30 1999
Posts: 12593
Loc: Kowloon Tong Hong Kong
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Fingers are crossed.
and everything else too I should think!
Edited by ren33 (Wed Nov 03 2004 05:21 AM)
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#247965 - Wed Nov 03 2004 07:14 AM
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Prolific
Registered: Fri Jun 06 2003
Posts: 1336
Loc: Mumbai India
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I guess it is going to be a question of which country he can invade next
Doesn't it seem ridiculously unfair that the fate of so many people around the globe rests in the hands of this one incompetent, illogically thinking, person, and that too, one with so many ulterior motives for his actions?
Sorry for the cribbing; just letting off some steam.
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#247966 - Wed Nov 03 2004 07:17 AM
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I hardly slept last night. I share Agnes' sentiments exactly. I can't even begin to voice the emotions I'm feeling right now as I'd get much more than a stern talking to from the mods if I did.
Great, four more years of poverty with no health insurance. Thanks shrub man for cutting the funding of my last company, I truly appreciate scrounging for money every month. The very realy possibility that my brothers can be sent to fight a war is the scariest part though.
I'd like to apologize to the rest of the world. Many of you are just as afraid of him as we are. Sorry he's most likely been inflicted upon you for another 4 years.
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#247967 - Wed Nov 03 2004 07:19 AM
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From JuniorTheJaws
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In a world where everyone's opinion counts it seems that the [edited for profanity] electoral college needs a swift kick in the pants
From JuniorTheJaws
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This goes to show that our government thinks and wholeheartedly believes that we, its citizens, cannot be trusted as to who should be President of the United States.
It's 8:22 a.m. and the electoral votes are still out in Ohio; the popular vote was Bush. What do you mean? Isn't the popular vote the citizens? Looks to me like the citizens voted in GW Bush.
Edited by ladymacb29 (Wed Nov 03 2004 08:42 AM)
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#247968 - Wed Nov 03 2004 07:19 AM
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You have hit the nail on the head Harish, that is why people from all over the world have been so vocal in expressing opinions although many Americans might feel that it is none of our business as to whom they elect.
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#247969 - Wed Nov 03 2004 07:27 AM
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I think the American public has made their case, better the devil you know than the devil you don't. The vocal side wants Kerry, but the quiet majority has gone for Bush.
It will be an interesting four years.
I hope it goes well.
Oh and thank you America, for limiting the terms to two. Next time, you'll HAVE to change.
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#247971 - Wed Nov 03 2004 07:37 AM
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Oh and thank you America, for limiting the terms to two. Next time, you'll HAVE to change.
Two words for you Jeb Bush 
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#247972 - Wed Nov 03 2004 07:45 AM
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Loc: Mumbai India
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the electoral college is controlled by the popular vote!
But isn't the popular vote a much more accurate indicator of who the American people want to be President? Is there any merit in the electoral college system?
In 2000 Gore was defeated by W. even though the former had a lead (albeit a slim one) when it came to the popular vote. And now Bush is way ahead of Kerry in the popular vote (56 as opposed to 43%, or something similar, I believe), yet Kerry might just make it to the White House.
Edited by achernar (Wed Nov 03 2004 08:12 AM)
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#247973 - Wed Nov 03 2004 08:07 AM
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yet Kerry might just make it to the White House.
And let us all hope that somehow, someway Kerry does make it to the White House!
As for the popular vote v electoral college. Even if the people of every United (and I loosely use that term, because this country is in no way United together) State voted for Kerry (Example only), and our elected officals decide at the last minute to change their votes from the candidate their state voted, well would that still count as what the people would want? Believe me, this is a scenario that can happen; although slim, but it could still happen. And if it does, by some marginal chance happen, I hope it swings in Kerry's favor.
In 2000, Gore won the popular vote (although very slim), yet, Bush's brother's state...anyone remember this? Florida. Well, Bush just couldn't comprehend that he couldn't and didn't win outright in his brother's state, that he fought tooth and nail.
I for one am glad that Kerry is determined to make sure all votes are counted...because every vote does count...not just what our government wants us to thinks counts.
I know for the most part, the people that I know who voted for Kerry, feel as if the country is in mourning. Mourning for the missed opportunity of a better future, mourning for our troops caught in the middle of war that our clown of president started, mourning for this missed chance to prove to the world that the US does know how to choose the proper leader as our representative.
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Agnes (JTJ)
Edited by JuniorTheJaws (Wed Nov 03 2004 08:28 AM)
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#247974 - Wed Nov 03 2004 08:38 AM
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We do not yet know who the winner is but in a true democracy we put aside our election differences and collective support the winner.
Lets hope that happens.
I agree 100% Jax. I've even mentioned it before on this forum that 'may the best man win'. You won't hear a Kerry supporter say that.
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I have not met a single American who had a good word to say. I am puzzled that a person who presents as being singularly lacking in intelligence, who makes a fool of himself in public with his uneducated speech and his incredible use of grammar, should be the choice of the people.
Ren, I don't know if I'm lucky or not, but I haven't met a single Sen. Kerry supporter, at least in my personal and working life, that is. The only Kerry supporters I've "met" have been here on FT. The New King James Version of the Holy Bible, Exodus 4:10, it says "Then Moses said to the Lord, O my Lord, I am not eloquent, neither before nor since You have spoken to Your servant: but I am slow of speech, and slow of tongue." I don't care if he's President of the United States or my next door neighbor, I don't hold speech patterns against a person.
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