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#248500 - Tue Nov 09 2004 03:44 AM Firefox makes the deadline
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Version 1.0 of Firefox has just released, so making the promised deadline of November 9th. This is a big event for those who have been fans of Phoenix - Firebird - Firefox since the early versions (version 0.4 in my case).

It can be downloaded from here:

http://www.mozilla.org/products/firefox/


Edited by tellywellies (Tue Nov 09 2004 03:46 AM)
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#248501 - Tue Nov 09 2004 04:50 AM Re: Firefox makes the deadline
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I just downloaded it. I hope the "modern" theme is made available soon.
I am having trouble loading the firefox pages at this time.
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#248502 - Tue Nov 09 2004 05:16 AM Re: Firefox makes the deadline
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O.K. I just checked my themes and discovered that "modern" is still there. Oops. But the firefox pages are still slow!
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#248503 - Tue Nov 09 2004 05:33 AM Re: Firefox makes the deadline
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I expect the Mozilla servers will be a bit overloaded at present. Things will get back to normal speeds in a day or so I expect.

If you have any trouble getting extensions working with the new version, use this site. Updated versions of most of them are here:

http://tinyurl.com/6owko
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#248504 - Tue Nov 09 2004 08:20 AM Re: Firefox makes the deadline
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Whilst on the subject....

Firefox in the news
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#248505 - Tue Nov 09 2004 09:05 AM Re: Firefox makes the deadline
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I just installed it (download wasn't all that slow, surprisingly) ... Are there any significant changes from the Preview Release?

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#248506 - Tue Nov 09 2004 11:01 AM Re: Firefox makes the deadline
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Can anyone believe that this extension actually exists?

Homeland Security Threat Level 0.2

It supposedly (I haven't tried it myself) "displays the current Homeland Security Threat Level as an icon in the status bar.".

Frankly speaking, all that this'll succeed in doing is generating paranoia.

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#248507 - Tue Nov 09 2004 11:09 AM Re: Firefox makes the deadline
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I love firefox! I was sooooo excited about downloading 1.0 today. I am thrilled. I downloaded it at 11 am (would have been sooner, but I had class) and was happy to see that the server wasn't overload!

Everyone should get this!

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#248508 - Tue Nov 09 2004 01:06 PM Re: Firefox makes the deadline
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Quote:

Are there any significant changes from the Preview Release?



I don't think there will be many noticable differences. It's more that the browser has reached a stable condition with no major bugs that are going to make it fail. I expect there will continue to be nightly builds containing fixes for this and that.

Watch this space for further improvements.
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#248509 - Fri Nov 12 2004 08:38 AM Re: Firefox makes the deadline
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I've been reading the Firefox forums with interest over the past couple of days. Some are faring well with the update and some are not. If swearing was allowed over there the air would be blue from those who are in trouble with it and from those who offer defence.

The troubles have mostly arisen from two factors:

* Slowness of the download servers because of the huge number of downloads taking place.

* Extensions on offer not working with the new version.

In one camp there are those like me who just upgraded the thing and had no trouble. In the other ...well there was one person who'd been trying for a day and a night to get it going! The last I read he was still having difficulties.

This all seems akin to the SP2 upgrade. Some say "Bother, what bother?" while others curse the day it came out.

Anyway, it's all entertaining reading. It may just be starting to settle down over there I think.

Problems might have been expected with server bandwidth on such a major date in the Firefox calender I suppose. I wonder if anything could have been done about that. Unfortunately, the troubles have put some people off giving the browser a try. This is a pity since it's basically a very good one.
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#248510 - Mon Nov 15 2004 12:27 PM Re: Firefox makes the deadline
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FireFox is a very good browser, even though some sites will only work with IE at this point. I would assume that as FireFox becomes more popular, websites will have to deal with multiple standards.
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#248511 - Mon Nov 15 2004 11:42 PM Re: Firefox makes the deadline
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http://ieview.mozdev.org/

This is the extension you need if you visit websites that require IE.

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#248512 - Tue Nov 16 2004 01:56 AM Re: Firefox makes the deadline
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There are not too many sites that won't work with Firefox and Opera these days. But for the odd ones that won't there is that extension that loveoflearning has highlighted.

The reason some sites won't work is all to do with HTML standards. Firefox, Opera and other browsers interpret the code that lies behind every web page in a manner laid down by the W3C. Microsoft has added capabilities to their browser that allows it to interpret non-standard code. Web site writers use this to add web page effects that only work in IE and sometimes use code that other browsers don't understand. Because Internet Explorer is the most dominant web browser in the world, some web page writers are not concerned if their pages don't look right in other browsers.

There's two sides to the argument. Some say that the alternative browsers should cater for non-standard code and others argue that site writers should stick to W3C standards to ensure pages work properly. In the middle are the Firefox (or other) browser users who don't care about all that and just want all pages to display properly.

If you come across a site that doesn't look right in the browser of your choice, you could get in touch with the webmaster and point this out. Some ignore the e-mail but some reply saying their site is due for an update and that part of this will include modifications to ensure compatibility with all browsers.

I think there is a general awareness now that millions of people are using browsers other than IE. Webmasters perhaps can't (or shouldn't) ignore that now. Many Firefox users don't bother finding ways of looking at sites that don't display properly. They just go onto somewhere that does. For a business site this must represent a fair number of lost sales. For those who just want people to visit or use their site, it could result in a loss of visitors.
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#248513 - Thu Nov 18 2004 04:59 AM Re: Firefox makes the deadline
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Another trouble free installation for me. I like the new search box size option but cannot find a way to put a printer icon on the toolbar. Perhaps you just have to go to File, Print with this one, or does it vary according to which theme is chosen?

It does seem that each time Firefox is changed, you have to get used to another theme as the old one is rarely available. Only a small niggle. Pages are displaying very quickly and if bits are blanked for security, then the Show Image option fixes that if you want it. I would never return to Internet Explorer.

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#248514 - Thu Nov 18 2004 06:08 AM Re: Firefox makes the deadline
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I like the new search box size option but cannot find a way to put a printer icon on the toolbar.



Go to: View > Toolbars > Customize. There will be a printer icon in the box that opens. Just drag it to the toolbar, then press 'Done'
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#248515 - Mon Nov 22 2004 04:42 AM Re: Firefox makes the deadline
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Just as a postscript, it seems that the theme I wanted, Grey Modern, will not allow a printer on the toolbar for some reason using small icons, so I have had to choose another (illustrating my previous niggle). Now that I have chosen a different theme, all is working as it should.

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#248516 - Mon Nov 22 2004 05:29 PM Re: Firefox makes the deadline
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Bossyboots I use the grey modern theme and just for something to do and to see if it could be done I just added a printer icon to the browser.
View,toolbars,customize,then I dragged the printer icon and placed it next to the help.
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#248517 - Wed Nov 24 2004 06:26 AM Re: Firefox makes the deadline
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Very strange. I can add anything else from the Customize box, but if I try to add the printer icon, it drags up on to the toolbar and then just vanishes from sight, even though it has been taken from the Customize box. This doesn't happen unless or until I select Small Icons ie it stays put with large icons. It was OK with the previous version of Firefox but not this 1.0 version (which I did reinstall just in case). I have tried other themes and Grey Modern is the only one which swallows up the small printer icon!

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#248518 - Wed Nov 24 2004 06:27 AM Re: Firefox makes the deadline
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Meant to say, did you try it with small icons or only the large ones?

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#248519 - Wed Nov 24 2004 08:49 AM Re: Firefox makes the deadline
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I too loaded up GrayModern and when opting for small icons, it does behave as you say Bossyboots. If the theme was OK in the previous version of Firefox, it is probably just in need of updating. Check back with Mozilla from time to time to see if there is an updated version available. You could also mention the problem in the Mozilla Themes forum http://tinyurl.com/57eza

In the meantime, if you particularly like that theme with small icons, you could always use it but go to the Print options in the File Menu when want to print a page.
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#248520 - Wed Nov 24 2004 09:22 AM Re: Firefox makes the deadline
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Nah, don't care as much as all that. Orbit Green was my real favourite and that is no longer available. Have settled on one called SilverSkin which is quite nice and doesn't reject small printer icon. I did put this glitch on the Mozilla forum however, as maybe someone has found a way round this.

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#248521 - Thu Nov 25 2004 02:40 AM Re: Firefox makes the deadline
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Oops. Yes I am using large icons. I`m using large everything as I used nView desktop manager to enlarge. I haven`t tried small yet and I guess I wont bother even trying.
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#248522 - Fri Nov 26 2004 05:46 AM Re: Firefox makes the deadline
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You know I said I would put this problem on the Mozilla forum, well I got the following answer. Needless to say, I am none the wiser......

"i dont know if its just me but i love the ff original throber, now you might not want to but i would love teh throber to be teh spinny one when loading, and the M sign when static, i think it could look really nice with the right transition frames"

Perhaps I need to be trendier!

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#248523 - Fri Nov 26 2004 11:09 AM Re: Firefox makes the deadline
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Translation:

I know it's all a matter of personal preference but I like the original throbber*. This is the one that revolves as the page is loading and then becomes an 'M' for Mozilla when the page had loaded fully.

Quote:

'i think it could look really nice with the right transition frames'.



I'm a bit stumped myself on this one. Maybe the poster is suggesting an intermediate graphic between the revolving throbber displayed as the page is loading and the 'M' displayed when it is fully loaded.

Throbber* This is the animated image displayed as the page is loading (usually on the right of the Firefox toolbar). It may take various forms depending on the theme used.

Get with it BB
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#248524 - Sat Nov 27 2004 05:36 AM Re: Firefox makes the deadline
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Thanks for the translation man! I will have a look at my throber immediately....

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