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#256348 - Thu Feb 03 2005 05:20 PM Enterprise Cancelled
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"Enterprise", the fourth spin-off of "Star Trek" was cancelled. It's last episode will be May 13.

This is going to be the first time in 18 years that there isn't a "ST" series in production. Also, "Enterprise" is the first of the spin-offs that did not go for 7 seasons. (I say HA! to all of you who didn't like "Voyager" - at least that made it to 7.
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#256349 - Thu Feb 03 2005 06:10 PM Re: Enterprise Cancelled
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I can't say that I'm disapointed. Of all the Star Trek shows, Enterprise was by far the worst. Its ironic that its being cancelled now, becuase of all the seasons, I thought this one was the best. I especially liked the 4 epsode arc with Bret Spinner as Dr. Soong.

I think Enterprise's greatest weakness was its captain. All other Star Trek shows had great captains at the helm (except for Voyager). William Shatner was a great Captain Kirk. His overacting is so bad, that it has become part of the charcter. Jean Luc Picard, need I say nmore. Sisko was also a great captain. I hated Archer (and to a lesser extent Janeway) He is boring, uncompelling (not sure thats a word), and gave you no reason to watch every week.

I hope that the Trek has not ended. Hopefuly they will come out with a better spin-off in a few years. I hope its another show like DS9.
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#256350 - Fri Feb 04 2005 08:04 AM Re: Enterprise Cancelled
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I can't say that I'm disapointed. Of all the Star Trek shows, Enterprise was by far the worst. Its ironic that its being cancelled now, becuase of all the seasons, I thought this one was the best. I especially liked the 4 epsode arc with Bret Spinner as Dr. Soong.




I agree totally! I guess I'm more upset that there isn't another ST series 'in the wings' that will be airing this September.

But doesn't it say something when the executive producers try to add a little more sex (um, T'Pol - a female - going through pon farr?) and the year-long story arc that made the show a soap opera and it ends up not working? I wonder if they hadn't had that year-long (and, frankly, boring) arc that maybe it would have done a little better? Or the gratuitous 'steamy' scenes? (By that I am specifically remembering a scene in the decontamination room where the crew members had to strip to their undies and rub gel all over each other. Wouldn't a liquid have been better anyway?)

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I think Enterprise's greatest weakness was its captain. All other Star Trek shows had great captains at the helm (except for Voyager).




Janeway rules!!

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I hope that the Trek has not ended. Hopefuly they will come out with a better spin-off in a few years. I hope its another show like DS9.




Eh, maybe, maybe not. Maybe one of the big starbases that we're always seeing? That would be kind of fun, like a Grand Central Station of Starfleet?

But I hated DS9, mainly because of the long story arcs (miss a show and sometimes you're lost when you catch an episode) and because I really didn't like Sisko. I think my favourite character on that series was Kira...
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#256351 - Fri Feb 04 2005 08:27 AM Re: Enterprise Cancelled
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Frankly, I am not surprised either to hear that Enterprise is being canceled. Many Star Trek fans bailed out on this series, my husband and I being two of them. We watched the first two seasons and tried to watch the third, but it just wasn't the same "Star Trek spirit."

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But doesn't it say something when the executive producers try to add a little more sex (um, T'Pol - a female - going through pon farr?) and the year-long story arc that made the show a soap opera and it ends up not working? I wonder if they hadn't had that year-long (and, frankly, boring) arc that maybe it would have done a little better? Or the gratuitous 'steamy' scenes?




I agree totally! Star Trek isn't supposed to be a soap opera! That completely turned me off. I was expecting one day to hear about T'Pol and Archer getting into bed together.

And I agree about Archer's weakness as a captain. He just didn't seem to exude "what it takes" to be a Star Trek captain. Granted, that made him seem more "average" and "human," but I wanted another captain like Jean-Luc Picard at the helm.

Will we have another Star Trek series one day? Perhaps. I just wonder if it would suffer the same fate as Enterprise.


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#256352 - Fri Feb 04 2005 08:42 AM Re: Enterprise Cancelled
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I will not be sorry to see Enterprise end.

It was the only series that I disliked.

I have said this before in a previous thread but I will repeat it -

Captain Archer was a wimp who didn't deserve to sit in the big chair.

T'Pol was the most annoying character in the whole of Trek.

Malcolm Reed was what the writers thought an Englishman was - I am only glad that the writers never made him an Aussie. I would have been embarrassed.

Trip was a loud mouth but he had potential. If they had made him and Malcolm a gay couple the show might have been more interesting.

The doctor had potential, because he wasn't human, but in the end he was the most boring of the Trek doctors.

Hoshi was the character who was most wasted. She started off as an interesting character (when she was the translator) but she became rather unneeded when the universal translator came along.

Mayweather - well I might as well not have been in the show for all the impact he made.

Porthos - adorable, cute, clever - he was the highlight of the show. It say a lot for the show when some people's favourite character was the dog.

I think that to make an Trek series that was a prelude to the original Trek was a grave mistake as it restricted the storylines.

I think it would have been better if they had made a series set 25-30 years after the end of DS9. They could have featured the younger members of Trek (Jake, Nog, Molly, Kirayoshi, the Sisko baby, the future Bashir children, Naomi Wildman, Icheb, Miral Paris etc) as adults, some only making occasional guest appearances. Jake could have been a successful author, Nog could have been second in charge of a starship, Kirayoshi could have been a handsome young officer.


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#256353 - Fri Feb 04 2005 09:47 AM Re: Enterprise Cancelled
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I think doing an after-DS9 series would be great. However, I wouldn't have set it so far in the future.

I'd rather see an aftermath of the Dominion war series. You're going to have all these displaced persons, all these new disputes coming back up as people no longer have a 'common cause' to get together against, planets destroyed, not to mention the fact that Starfleet is almost decimated, etc. I think you could do an entire series with the complexities of trying to get 'back to normal'.

I also wouldn't do one with the kids of the officers for two reasons:
1. What are the chances all the kids would stick together after all these years?
2. Someone mentioned this while talking about Babylon 5 and why a series focused on John and Delenn's son wouldn't work: The children of great people don't normally go on to do equally great things.
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#256354 - Fri Feb 04 2005 10:57 AM Re: Enterprise Cancelled
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I think that it would be great if they made a spin-off that had no human characters. How about one where all the main charcters are Cardassian and call it. Star Trek: The Obsidian Order. Something cool, where the ship isn't even federation. How about a romulan or a Klingon ship. Bring back Worf and Tomalok and make them uneasy allies. Bring back Garrok and make him Captain. I'm going into Trek withdrawl and its not good. I guess I'll just watch all of season 5 of TNG. That will make it all better for a while at least.
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#256355 - Fri Feb 04 2005 12:42 PM Re: Enterprise Cancelled
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Eh, watch "Voyager" if you're going through withdrawal.

I think a series focused on one of the other races would be great, although I personally don't like basing a new series on already developed characters (to me, I think you have more freedom as a writer with all new character).

Ah well, we'll have to see what the rumour mill is saying about a new series...
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#256356 - Fri Feb 04 2005 01:44 PM Re: Enterprise Cancelled
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Yes, Voyager.

I can't find any news that speaks of another sipn-off in the works but I did find something shocking about Enterpise. For those who dare, read on...

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Through its four-year run, STAR TREK: ENTERPRISE produced a total of 98 episodes and earned four Emmy Awards.



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#256357 - Fri Feb 04 2005 01:49 PM Re: Enterprise Cancelled
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They were most likely for special effects...

You know, the awards that no one sees presented.
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#256358 - Fri Feb 04 2005 07:40 PM Re: Enterprise Cancelled
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Someone on a board suggested the 'other races' idea but suggested it should be as miniseries i.e. one miniseries on Cardassians, one of the Romulans etc.

I think a miniseries that explored the origins of the Borg would be interesting.

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I also wouldn't do one with the kids of the officers for two reasons:
1. What are the chances all the kids would stick together after all these years?




What I meant is not all the kids sticking together but a series featuring two the them - Nog and Kirayoshi - with the occasional appearance of the other kids. Nog occasionally meeting up with his friend Jake (and Jake's little brother), Yoshi meeting up with his sister etc, the occasional appearance of a young Bashir or Naomi Wildman wouldn't be unbelievable.

I think the idea of Nog as second-in-command would make for some great stories - Nog at ends with his own culture (no profit in Starfleet) , Nog trying to get the respect when he is a Ferengi (and short), Nog coming to terms with how he should treat women etc.


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#256359 - Sat Feb 05 2005 10:26 AM Re: Enterprise Cancelled
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I can see it now. Please allow me to take you into the future (September, to be exact):

*pops a vein*

Come on... come on!

*frantically searches*

Where is it? WHERE IS IT?

*Keeps searching*

It was here before! WHERE DID IT GO?!

*screams*

I gotta HAVE it!

*keeps looking*

No! It can't be gone!

*fumbles through the shelves*

I gotta get my fix! Where are you?

*picks up a box*

Got it!

*opens box, nearly spilling its contents*
*blows on the contents to clean it off*
*places item on feeder and inserts*

Gotta hurry!

*music swells, and Star Trek: First Contact begins*

Aaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhh...



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#256360 - Sat Feb 05 2005 10:31 AM Re: Enterprise Cancelled
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But seriously, folks...

I've had this "Enterprise" story idea on the back burner for some time. I kinda wanted it to be an episode (and I think it would've been worthy), but I guess "Strange New Worlds" will have to do.

To give you an idea, all I can say about it is that it is a prequel to a "TNG" episode. Which one, you ask? I'm sorry, but I can't say at this time. But if you can figure out which episode, you are more than welcome to take a stab at guessing...
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