#258495 - Wed Feb 23 2005 12:49 PM
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I am going to get hate mail here but she was blonde!
Whoops, typos.
Edited by sue943 (Wed Feb 23 2005 12:50 PM)
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#258496 - Wed Feb 23 2005 01:33 PM
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#258497 - Wed Feb 23 2005 02:02 PM
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Funny story about women driving in ice and snow...
When I first moved back up to New Jersey with my dad, I had never driven in snow (grew up in Florida). He was trying to teach me how to drive in it, and how NOT to get stuck, and if you DO get stuck, how to get out. Well.... he got stuck for real! After I got through laughing, I had to push him out with my car. I had a subaru and it was an awesome little car.
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#258498 - Wed Feb 23 2005 03:29 PM
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Registered: Mon Dec 06 1999
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I think that all SUV's (sport utility vehicles) have 4-wheel drive, Sue. I have 4WD in my pick-up truck and it goes through snow and ice very nicely. The problem the blond driver probably had was stopping her vehicle. These SUV's stop as well as any 2-wheel drive car on ice. SUV owner's tend to believe the TV commercials about plowing through snow, mud, ice, climbing mountains, etc.
They do some things very much easier and better than 2WD's. However, all vehicles have brakes on each wheel and all will stop within a certain distance based on vehicle weight. SUV's are not superior in stopping ability.
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#258500 - Wed Feb 23 2005 03:49 PM
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We are talking about an eighth of an inch of snow, so real heavy stuff!
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#258501 - Wed Feb 23 2005 05:22 PM
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sue, that little bit of snow can be more dangerous than a foot of snow. We had that same problem a few weeks back - Got about an inch of snow, but it never got above freezing, so the tires turned the snow to slush which immediately froze over and became ice. Raleigh was gridlocked because of it. My coworker took 13.5 hours to get home. I live 2 miles from work and it took me an hour. Ice will always be more dangerous than snow.
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#258502 - Thu Feb 24 2005 12:55 AM
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Oh, how I remember those ice storms in the Carolinas. The worst part about them is that no one there really knows how to drive on such messes. People here often don't, either. But here in Ohio, if we get a foot of snow, the majority of drivers know how to maneuver it. Then there are those who are invariably in a hurry. So worried about being late for where they need to be - so they spin out as they speed and end up wrecked! It makes no sense! All that happens there is that they never reach their destination that day. Problem just complicated and surely not at all solved. One CAN get some traction on snow but right at that bottom of those inches there is a layer of ice that will get you every time if you forget it's there. Even I, pro that I like to think I am, went half a mile sideways on one our country roads here. Luckily, after a recall of those long ago Driver's Ed exercises, I remembered how to steer when in a slide. You steer TOWARDS the direction you're slipping, not against it. Knowing that saved a few mailboxes. By the way, SilverMoonsong, I think we'd better put your visit on hold for a while. March is coming in like a lion, I'm told. And I surely don't want you to get trapped, or worse, injured in your travels towards this blizzardy place  . Things get far more reasonable in April.
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#258504 - Thu Feb 24 2005 02:14 AM
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Hehe interesting stories.
My first introduction to driving in/on snow was when I was 18.
I was heading off for a weekend of drinking in the Snowy Mountains with a mate of mine and we got caught in a mild snow storm. Neither of us had ever driven on snow or even have a clue as to how to put chains on. We got the jack out and used it to put the chains on firstly instead of simply driving onto to them. After having done so we felt pretty confident, well he did he was driving not I, and proceeded to drive at about 20 kph. We kept sliding all over the place and were cursing the chains as being a rip-off to buy and a completely useless item. After a few k`s we were pulled over by two laughing police officers. "Excuse me sir but you do realise you are driving a front wheel drive vehicle and you have the chains on the rear tyres"? 
Edited by damnsuicidalroos (Thu Feb 24 2005 02:15 AM)
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#258505 - Thu Feb 24 2005 06:51 AM
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Tut, these men drivers, even I know to put them on the drive wheels.
Edited by sue943 (Thu Feb 24 2005 06:53 AM)
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#258506 - Thu Feb 24 2005 09:51 AM
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We had a heavy snowstorm here last October - first snow of the winter, which always catches a few drivers. I was on the highway, two lane, where there were about 6 inches of snow. Visibility was about two car lengths. My tires were not too good - this was my first snow experience with this vehicle, and I hadn't realized how bald the tires were. So, I was going pretty slow - maybe 40 mph (I'm translating all these measurements for you Yanks) I had two or three vehicles behind me, and was just looking for a place to pull over so they could pass me, when a big ol' pickup came roaring by, passing all four of us, going about 70 - 75 mph. Half an hour later, guess who we passed, in the ditch, waiting for a tow truck? I'm ashamed to admit that it gave me a glow of pleasure.
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#258507 - Thu Feb 24 2005 12:11 PM
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Pretty slow at 40mph? Er, that is our maximum speed limit! The cars were going at 10 - 15mph and that was pushing it, most of the time it was under 5mph.
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#258508 - Thu Feb 24 2005 08:39 PM
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Yes, but any faster than 40 you will run right off the island, Sue. 
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#258509 - Mon Feb 28 2005 02:58 AM
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Monday morning, I am flying out of the island later so got up earlier than normal in order to pack. Switched on the radio and what do I hear? Schools closed, buses are not running until further notice... I look out of the window, wow, a quarter of an inch of snow at least! True is has been -2C overnight so I suppose there is a reason to bring the island to a standstill. With schools and nurseries closed many women will not be able to go to work today. I am stranded here as it isn't worth me walking into work for just half a day. Fortunately I can work remotely so won't be wasting too much time but most people cannot do that. Ah deep joy.
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#258510 - Thu Mar 03 2005 11:35 AM
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Maybe other people who live in areas that don't get much winter precipitation should read this. I remember one day it was icy out and my area manager told me that we were going to be open for business. I was driving about 20mph on a road with a 45mph speed limit and was almost hit because the other person was traveling close to 45mph. It took me 30 minutes to drive 1 1/2 miles.
Besides, around Dallas, 90% of the time, the winter precipitation is ice, not snow. In almost nine years, I've seen three snows and six ice storms. I'd rather drive in snow, but I prefer not to drive in either.
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#258511 - Thu Mar 03 2005 12:09 PM
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A quarter of an inch. Wow is right. We got 6" of snow in a matter of hours once this year and schools weren't cancelled. They usually don't cancel school unless there was serious ice preceding the snow or there's 8" or more. And they almost NEVER close school early. I've only missed work because of snow twice in my working life, and both times it was because my car was buried under a 6' drift of snow, and by the time I'd have gotten it unburied and made the drive in to work, it would have been time to turn around and go home again. A quarter of an inch is considered a light dusting at most, barely worth even naming, really.
We HAVE had schools closed once or twice this year, but as I said above, in both cases we had a two-day ice storm preceding the considerable snowfall, so the roads were very hazardous.
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#258514 - Thu Mar 03 2005 05:46 PM
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In, most definitely in. Only non-locals say on.
We don't get snow, or even frost, very often hence the pig's ear most people make of driving in it here.
This evening there was a humourous article in our local newspaper by a young feature writer who can laugh at herself. She started driving to work on Monday, terrified the life out of herself and ended up abandoning her car on a hill and ruining a pair of fashion boots which were totally unsuited to damp conditions and a lengthy walk. Poor girl.
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#258515 - Tue Mar 08 2005 02:37 PM
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I found the article, well I found it amusing. Quote:
JUST when I was worried about what to write about in this week's column, it decided to snow. Granted, not very exciting, but nevertheless, something out of the ordinary.
It was an especially exciting time for all the drivers who danced their way to work over a blanket of snow and ice on Monday morning.
There's nothing quite like that feeling of three wheels out of four scrabbling for traction as you navigate your way to work. What is normally a quiet journey, interrupted by nothing more than a sluggish cyclist, became like a campaign to reach the North Pole without running out of food, oxygen (petrol), or the will to live.
At least that's how it felt as I set out from the easterly parish of St Clement on what appeared to be tyres which were completely bald, and brakes which didn't work - or maybe it was just the ice.
By the time I reached Gorey, my nerves were in shreds, Gretel the Golf's clutch was at breaking point, and to top it all off, it looked as if I was about to swerve into the windows of the easterly branch of Pound World, thereby netting myself at least 500 bottles of shampoo and some bargain crisps.
There's something about dangerous situations which make me want to do one of two things. Firstly, cry, and secondly, run as far away as possible. Both options were running through my mind as the car suddenly developed super-duper previously unpossessed power-steering abilities. Such luxury!
It had also, it seemed, got an uncanny way of swerving towards much, much more expensive cars than I'd ever be able to afford to repair.
What is it about snow that brings out such glittering, luxury vehicles? In the space of twenty, bum-freezing, terror-filled minutes on the road, which seemed to stretch in a never ending evil-filled silver ribbon towards the east, I witnessed one Porsche, one Corvette, a selection of sleek Audis, and of course, various jeeps. In fact, everything bar a Rolls-Royce.
I drove up the hill feeling very poor and downtrodden, making a mental note to buy or steal a Land Rover as soon as time and cunning allowed.
And then something happened to shake me up and make me pull on the handbrake sharpish. It appeared that the man in front of me wasn't having much luck getting his car to cope with the gradient ahead and as his rear bumper edged ever nearer to Gretel's bonnet I felt my foot begin to shake on the clutch.
'No change there then' I can feel Jersey's male population saying. But this was pure fear, and I'll have you know I am an expert at waiting on the ramp in Jersey's thrilling selection of multi-storey car parks.
Then the clutch began to burn. I knew it was time for women and children to desert the sinking ship, or even the sliding Golf.
In one cowardly move, I pulled over to the side of the road, got out, locked the car, and tried to stand up.
As my new boots (bought in Brighton only days before) began to let in the ice and snow, I tried not to be materialistic. After all, I had my life. I wasn't about to end up embedded in a granite wall, as a kind of freak tourist attraction for the craning masses on an Islandwide tour. I was safe.
I could hear the luckless coach driver now.
'Sorry about this bit, folks. Avert your eyes if you're squeamish. Embedded in that fine granite wall there we have a fine example of what happens when a lady driver tries to rescue herself from these tricky snowy situations.'
And the coach would chug on down Gorey Hill, before returning to Mont Orgueil, and soon my raggedy boots would be forgotten by the visitors.
The wet boots had completely smooth soles, and I had to scrabble up the hill, searching for footholds.
Halfway up the hill I remembered my notebook was still locked in my car and items of value on view for any thieves who had a passion for stealing in the cold. They were, however, welcome to the gym kit and uncompleted tax return.
I was still sulking about my ruined footwear.
For someone who has made pretty loud noises about completing the Itex walk in the summer, I now found myself wondering why I said I'd bother. The half hour from Gorey to St Martin's Church was not the pleasant little hike I'd been counting on. There was no food en route. I had approximately £1.20 to my name, no boiled sweets, nothing to drink and a handbag which contained nothing more useful than a compact mirror.
There was no one to phone, because no one else had got to work either, and sending text messages, trying to walk and avoiding lorries rolling past didn't prove to be a happy mix. Trudging alone through the snow, I felt like I'd come to the end of the world.
What happened to the days when snow was fun, and all you needed were two lumps of coal and a carrot to make a snowman to be proud of? Here I was surrounded by the stuff, and yet I was easily resisting the temptation to carve any of it into an elaborate art form, such as a pair of swans, to idle away the time.
It's at times like those when your mind starts to wander. Apparently, people who trudge through the desert have been known to see mirages of water. I was sure I could see my home, but what if like a mirage, it just kept moving further and further away?
By the time I made it into the office, I wanted a medal, a cup of tea and the chance to sit down. Luckily, the sitting down is easily done in front of a computer, but I'm still waiting for the medal.
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