I have been playing spider solitaire, with cards, since I was seven years old - I did not know it had a name then, in the game I played there was no extra pile it was straight up depended on the three in the deck. I can honestly say that playing it that way without any cheating, I have solved the deck less than fifteen times in my life and that is an over-estimation. I thought it a good idea to put the extra deck in although my version is a little harder what with sorting the cards out by suit on the table with no extra pile - yep i was really young when I chose to do things the hard way.
Two Roos
Cathy
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I haven't finished yet........