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#269179 - Thu Nov 17 2005 08:14 PM Re: World Cup 2006
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What do people think about the way that the groups are done




Until FIFA announce how the groups are done, it's impossible to answer. For the last World Cup, they went on ranking and on how a team fared in previous World Cups. There is a hint of suggestion that this will change for 2006.
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#269180 - Fri Nov 18 2005 02:21 AM Re: World Cup 2006
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With so many dollars at stake i think the days of a free draw are long gone.

I don't see a huge problem with having 4 buckets with 8 teams in each ... that way you always get an alleged minnow up against a supposed giant in every group - France v Senegal anyone?
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#269181 - Fri Nov 18 2005 04:56 AM Re: World Cup 2006
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In answer to my own question ... this will be the most debutant nations since the second one in 1934 where ten nations appeared for the first time.

Most of those back then were European countries who couldn't be bothered to make the trip to South America for the first World Cup.

Since 1934 the most was 5 debuts in 1982 (Algeria, Cameroon, Honduras, Kuwait & New Zealand) - when the finals went to 24 teams.
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#269182 - Fri Nov 18 2005 11:07 AM Re: World Cup 2006
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Just glanced at the FIFA rankings posted up by gtho4 and was struck by the USA being as high as 7th.

Have I missed something here? I mean, the USA are ranked above Spain.(8th) and England(9th).

I'm not trying to diminish the USA teams progression in the world game. But who have they been playing AND beating to get up as high as 7th?

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#269183 - Fri Nov 18 2005 11:39 AM Re: World Cup 2006
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Easy one to answer. Spain are the perennial team that I always put money on when it comes to big tournaments, and they always screw it up, and big time. Come to think of it, so do England!

The US have qualified for the last four World Cups. Granted, there's only Mexico for them to worry about when qualifying, but any team can be beaten.

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France v Senegal anyone?




Also remember Cameroon v Argentina. A classic game.
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#269184 - Tue Dec 06 2005 09:19 AM Re: World Cup 2006
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Looks pretty straight-forward

POT ONE

Germany
Brazil
Argentina
England
France
Italy
Mexico
Spain

POT TWO

Australia
Angola
Ghana
Ivory Coast
Togo
Tunisia
Ecuador
Paraguay

POT THREE

Croatia
Czech Republic
Netherlands
Poland
Portugal
Sweden
Switzerland
Ukraine

POT FOUR

Iran
Japan
Saudi Arabia
South Korea
Costa Rica
Trinidad & Tobago
USA

  • The eight seeded teams (Pot One) will be drawn into eight different groups.
  • Eight unseeded European sides (Pot Three) will be drawn into the eight different groups.
  • The lowest-ranked European side Serbia and Montenegro will be allocated to one of the groups containing either Brazil, Argentina or Mexico to ensure there is no more than two European sides in any group.
  • A pot of the five African countries (Pot Two), Australia and the two remaining South American sides drawn into eight different groups.
  • A pot containing the four Asian countries (Pot Four), the USA, Costa Rica and Trinidad drawn into seven different groups.


SEEDINGS TABLE

Brazil 64
England 51
Spain 50
Germany 48
Mexico 47
France 46
Argentina 44
Italy 44

Nice to see England as second seeds, although that obviously means nothing until they get out there on the field and do the business in hand. Only three days to go before the draw takes place.
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#269185 - Tue Dec 06 2005 05:24 PM Re: World Cup 2006
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Sydney Morning Herald, Wed 7th Dec
    Forget England, we want to play the Yanks
    By Greg Prichard and Michael Cockerill

    LEADING football figures in Australia are staggered by the arrogance of US coach Bruce Arena's dismissal of the Socceroos as likely World Cup easybeats. Former Socceroos stars Robbie Slater, Alex Tobin and Craig Foster variously described Arena's comments as naive, ignorant and laughable, and Sydney FC striker Dwight Yorke joined the chorus as FIFA announced the seedings for the tournament in Germany in June. The World Cup draw will be made on Saturday.

    Arena, whose team has achieved a FIFA world ranking of eight due largely to a system widely regarded as flawed, told Sports Illustrated's website: "The last time around [in the World Cup], the easy games were China and Saudi Arabia. This time around you'd probably say Australia and Trinidad & Tobago are the weak ones." Arena seemed to grudgingly concede Australia and Trinidad & Tobago had some claims to being there, adding: "But Australia has basically all of its players in Europe, and Trinidad have a guy [in Yorke] who was arguably the top striker in soccer."

    Trinidad & Tobago star Yorke last night bristled at Arena's suggestion. "The manager of the American team is entitled to his opinion," he said. "Hopefully when he comes up against one of us we can shove the words right back in his face. America was in our [qualifying] group. They know they were very fortunate to beat us. They are not a brilliant team like they are making out to be … we've been playing them for years, they are not that special."

    Foster laughed when told of Arena's comments. "I just wonder where he's coming from," he said. "He's got the right to voice his opinion, but it's laughable to suggest we rate that lowly. He'll have to eat his words if we come up against the US. There's no issue we can beat them. We can beat any team on our day." Slater said he would be delighted if Australia and the US were grouped together. "I would rather the Socceroos got into a group with the US than any of the other teams that may be ranked in the top tier," he said. "And that's not being disrespectful, that's based on fact. We have nothing to fear from the US. I would back us against the US - any game, anywhere. Our squad has a lot more quality than theirs and I would back [Socceroos coach] Guus Hiddink against any coach. I think [Arena's] comments might just show what he knows about the real world. I find his comments naive, but it doesn't surprise me, coming from a US coach. I mean, where has he been?"

    Tobin, who captained Australia in their most recent game against the US seven years ago - 0-0 draw in San Jose - said: "I'd say he just doesn't know a lot about Australian football. I'd dismiss it. I think Australia will be very competitive at the World Cup. I'd be very, very confident about Australia knocking off the US, with all due respect to the US."

    The seedings are: Germany, Brazil, Italy, France, Argentina, Spain, Mexico and England. Australia are in pool two with Angola, Ghana, Ivory Coast, Togo, Tunisia, Ecuador and Paraguay. Pool three consists of Croatia, Czech Republic, Netherlands, Poland, Portugal, Sweden, Switzerland and Ukraine. The US are in pool four with Iran, Japan, Saudi Arabia, South Korea, Costa Rica, Trinidad & Tobago. Each of the eight four-team groups in the draw will consist of one team from each tier, with Serbia & Montenegro in a special pot.

    There had been concern about the formulation of the seedings. England and the Netherlands were worried they might miss out on a top-tier spot to the US. The seedings were based on a blend of results at the past two World Cups and FIFA rankings for the past three years. The US have had good results at recent World Cup tournaments but always had easy routes to qualification through the weak CONCACAF group, compared with Australia's task of having to beat the fifth-best South American nation.

    Australia beat the world 18th-ranked Uruguay in a two-leg play-off to qualify for the finals. The most recent result for the US was a 1-1 draw with 61st-ranked Scotland in a friendly in Glasgow last month. The Socceroos are ranked 49th, ahead of four other World Cup finalists.

    Slater described the rankings as "very misleading". "It's based on the number of games you play and win, rather than who you actually play," he said. Foster thought Arena was underestimating Australia based on results from years ago. "I hope he keeps underestimating us, because he'll get a shock if we play them," he said.

    http://www.smh.com.au/news/world-cup-2006/us-sledge-fires-up-socceroos/2005/12/06/1133829597323.html
Another one from Wednesday's papers here in Sydney. This is from the Daily Telegraph .. owned by Murdoch, and aren't shy .. they love to sensationalise anything and everything to sell a 'paper:
    Socceroos insult
    By JOHN TAYLOR

    THE high-flying Socceroos have received a slap in the face from US coach Bruce Arena who has rated Australia one of the two weakest teams at next year's World Cup. Despite Australia having beaten world No.18 Uruguay to qualify, Arena considers Australia and Trinidad & Tobago to be the easybeats of the event starting next June.

    Arena, whose US team is controversially ranked at No.8 in the world, has overlooked the fact that at No.49 Australia are ranked higher than four other sides at the World Cup finals in Germany next year - Ghana (50), Trinidad & Tobago (51), Togo (56) and Angola (62). "The last time around the easy games were China and Saudi Arabia," Arena said. "This time around you'd probably say Australia and Trinidad & Tobago are the weak ones."

    The American coach's comments give the Socceroos ample reason to hope they are selected in the same pool as the Americans when the World Cup draw is completed in Lepzig, Germany, on Saturday morning (AEDT). Former Socceroos skipper Alex Tobin, who captained Australia in their last meeting with the US seven years ago (a 0-0 draw in San Jose), said Arena's comments came down to "ignorance". "I'd say he just doesn't know a lot about Australian football," said Tobin, now development manager at A-League club Central Coast. "They don't get a lot of information about our football and we don't really get a lot about theirs. I think Australia will be very competitive at the World Cup. In fact, I'd be very, very confident about Australia knocking off the US."

    Tobin said there were no countries at the World Cup that could be written off as easybeats. "You look at Togo and you look at Angola, and go, 'OK, we don't know them well', but on the flip side they beat Cameroon, they beat Nigeria and all those other countries that you expect to be there, so there must be something in their ability as well."

    Former Socceroos coach Raul Blanco also hit back at the American's caustic comments. "They come as a surprise to me. I thought he was an intelligent man," said Blanco, who coached the Australian team - a mixture of senior and Olympic team players - that drew with the US in San Jose. "His comments are in very poor taste. They're not only disrespectful but unethical. It shows he doesn't have a good knowledge of us and how many players are in top leagues in Europe."

    While Australia's qualification has essentially come down to playing a two-legged playoff every four years, FIFA has virtually guaranteed the US a spot in the finals by offering automatic qualification to the top three teams in CONCACAF - the North American, Central American and Caribbean zone.

    www.dailytelegraph.com.au
What odds England-USA-Australia in the same group?

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#269186 - Tue Dec 06 2005 05:45 PM Re: World Cup 2006
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The US coach is apparently oblivious to a certain 2-1 defeat against Iran in France '98. Iran were, on paper, one of the weaker teams there, but that didn't stop them causing a shock.

Any team is beatable, as the World Cup has quite often proved. Nobody in their right mind would have predicted Turkey and South Korea reaching the semi finals in 2002, and both were defeated in those semi's by a single goal.
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#269187 - Wed Dec 07 2005 06:23 AM Re: World Cup 2006
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How arrogant was that

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#269188 - Fri Dec 09 2005 03:02 PM Re: World Cup 2006
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GROUP A

Germany
Costa Rica
Poland
Ecuador

GROUP B

England
Paraguay
Trinidad & Tobago
Sweden

GROUP C

Argentina
Ivory Coast
Serbia & Montenegro
Netherlands

GROUP D

Mexico
Iran
Angola
Portugal

GROUP E

Italy
Ghana
USA
Czech Republic

GROUP F

Brazil
Croatia
Australia
Japan

GROUP G

France
Swizerland
South Korea
Togo

GROUP H

Spain
Ukraine
Tunisia
Saudi Arabia


Brazil vs Australia. Dream for the Aussies, no doubt. Argentina v Holland would be a good one, as would Italy v Czech Republic and England v Sweden.

England v Germany in the last 16, anyone?
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#269189 - Fri Dec 09 2005 06:48 PM Re: World Cup 2006
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Latest odds:

Brazil 11/4
England 6/1
Argentina 7/1
Germany 7/1
Italy 8/1
Holland 10/1
France 12/1
Spain 12/1
Portugal 20/1
Czech Republic 33/1
Sweden 33/1
Croatia 50/1
Mexico 50/1
Ukraine 50/1
Ivory Coast 66/1
Serbia and Montenegro 66/1
Paraguay 80/1
Poland 80/1
USA 80/1
Switzerland 100/1
Australia 125/1
Ecuador 125/1
Japan 150/1
Korea Republic 150/1
Tunisia 200/1
Ghana 250/1
Iran 250/1
Costa Rica 350/1
Togo 350/1
Angola 500/1
Saudi Arabia 500/1
Trinidad and Tobago 750/1
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#269190 - Fri Dec 09 2005 09:46 PM Re: World Cup 2006
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This is the full match schedule, through to the final: group matches : quarters, semis, and final : by dates, Fri 9th June to Sun 9th July
    Becks looks forward to Yorke
    Reuters

    England captain David Beckham believes his team have a genuine chance to win the World Cup after being drawn with Sweden, Paraguay and Trinidad & Tobago. "If we work hard and play to our potential we have a genuine chance of winning the World Cup," Beckham told the FA website after Friday's draw for the 2006 finals.

    "Watching the World Cup draw today has already excited me as I think about the tournament ahead. We meet a familiar opponent in Sweden - one that both the players and manager know well."

    "I am looking forward to playing my old (Manchester United) team mate Dwight Yorke (now of Sydney FC) with Trinidad & Tobago. He is someone who I share many great memories with. "Paraguay are a bit of an unknown quantity but we will be prepared fully when we meet them," added the Real Madrid midfielder after England were drawn in Group B.

    www.theworldgame.com.au
In the quarter-finals, the winner of Group E plays the runner-up in Group F, and vice versa .. the runner-up in Group E plays the winner in F. Australia are in E and the USA are in F. It'd be a minor miracle, but Australia could play the USA in the quarters! Anyway, the aussie coach is confident we'll progress:
    Socceroos are ready: Hiddink
    AAP

    The euphoria of World Cup qualification having abated, Socceroos coach Guus Hiddink feels his team is set to prove Australia's worth as a footballing nation. Speaking as the game's powerbrokers gathered for the World Cup draw, Hiddink indicated his players were ready to confound those who feel the nation will be an easy opponent. "We are not just here to complete the program. This team has shown it can be competitive," Hiddink said. "(Qualification) is something to be proud of, but the next step is coming. "The players will commit themselves and show the world they are not just there by accident."

    "The teams proved in the previous months to be very competitive, and that is what I demand from them - be competitive and you never know what you will achieve. The world will look at them as a good team, an experienced team. We will meet at the very least two very strong opponents. We are not a leading country, but step by step we have improved, and this is the ideal stage to take the next step."

    Waiting for his draw accreditation, Hiddink was catching up with a gaggle of fellow Dutch coaches who will lead World Cup nations - Holland's Marco van Basten, South Korea's Dick Advocaat and Trinidad & Tobago's Leo Beenhakker. Hiddink admits he would like to draw his native Holland - the team he led to the 1998 semi-finals - and South Korea, who he took to the semi-finals of the last World Cup. "It would be great to meet South Korea because they achieved a lot in the last World Cup, which has had a huge impact," Hiddink said. "It's good to meet your old teams. I'd like to meet Holland."

    Football Australia chief executive John O'Neill admitted he would like to take on England, and was revelling in the atmosphere in Leipzig ahead of the draw. "If we made it into the second round, I'd be thrilled," O'Neill said. "From a profile point of view, we know back in Australia football will be on everyone's mind for all of the first half of next year. It's the biggest sporting event by a country mile and we're in it. We're still pinching ourselves that we're here. To be here at the draw, it's really sunk in that we've made it - we're at the big table of the world game and it's a very, very exciting moment."

    O'Neill was also networking the game's powerbrokers, trying to finalise friendlies ahead of the World Cup, finalising Australia's ticketing entitlement - to be announced on December 19 - and no doubt sounding out some about Australia's chances of securing the 2014 World Cup.

    www.fifaworldcup.com : www.theworldgame.com.au
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#269191 - Mon Jan 23 2006 05:04 PM Re: World Cup 2006
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Sven Goran Eriksson will quit as England coach after the 2006 World Cup. After the recent allegations I think that's the right decision, whether he was pushed or he jumped. To sack him now would not be good for England's preparations.

After the World Cup, give the job to someone who cares about the country! Sam Allardyce is the favourite, and I can't see anyone better at the moment. If he told me to jump as a player, I'd ask how high!
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#269192 - Tue Jan 24 2006 07:51 AM Re: World Cup 2006
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I can't say I'm too sorry to see old Sven leaving the helm. For four million pounds a year this guy must be the biggest con man of the lot. Bereft of any ideas or even any passion, this Swede ended up being a real turnip (apologies to Graham Taylor) and certainly won't be missed by the English faithful. So long Sven and enjoy your long retirement..from England I mean.

I also rate Allardyce but certainly not McClaren. The FA as all England football fans know, moves in mysterious ways. Personally I still haven't forgiven the doddery old gin drinkers for rejecting Cloughie's application in 1977. Time maybe a great healer but not in this case and please please get the appointment right this time!
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#269193 - Wed Jan 25 2006 10:42 AM Re: World Cup 2006
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Ironic that his last game in charge may be against Sweden, should England fail to qualify from the group stages. I understand the press had been talking about firing him now and giving the job to Sir Bobby Robson until a permanent replacement can be found. I like that idea. Robson guided England to a World Cup semi-final in 1990, and although he's in advancing years, he'd still command more respect than Sven ever could.

This time out the manager does have to be English, to avoid the problems we've had over the years with Sven. Give the job to big Sam Allardyce, and why not have Sir Bobby as his assistant for a year or two.

Although I have Scottish roots, one thing they should not do is hire Sir Alex Ferguson. A Scotsman at the helm of the England national team? That just cannot happen!
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#269194 - Wed Apr 26 2006 05:11 PM Re: World Cup 2006
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This looks like a good World Cup with all that preparation. But, there are some irregularities this year. This are some teams that had to qualify and missed>

Uruguay
Cameroon
Nigeria
Senegal
Egypt
Honduras
Colombia
Denmark
Ireland
Turkey
Norway
Belgium

Maybe there are others but this are the ones that I remember.The most remarkable are Cameroon with Etoo and they were the best in Africa and Turkey the 3rd place in 2002 W.C.!

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#269195 - Sun Apr 30 2006 10:36 PM Re: World Cup 2006
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Hubby says that if they were the best in their continents, they would have qualified. Uruguay were beaten by Australia in a two-legged qualifying game. He says Honduras have never qualified for the World Cup, Ireland haven't been the same since Mick McCarthy took charge, then left, and European teams such as Norway, Belgium and Denmark are not good enough.

He does say though, that Turkey was a major shock in his books not to qualify.. and while he's there, you missed the Euro 2004 Champions, Greece.
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#269196 - Mon May 01 2006 04:56 PM Re: World Cup 2006
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Will Wayne Rooney be right for all or part of the World Cup or is it just wishful thinking?

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#269197 - Wed May 10 2006 11:48 PM Re: World Cup 2006
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Has that tall Liverpool player been named in the English squad. Ive forgotten his name but I think he could be a bit of a trump card for the English. Similar to Quinn for Ireland.
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#269198 - Thu May 11 2006 07:21 AM Re: World Cup 2006
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yes, I think Crouch is there in the team

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#269199 - Sat Jun 17 2006 04:37 PM Re: World Cup 2006
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Aussies do you think you could try , very hard, just for me, to beat the loathed Brazil? PLEASE . After all I don't ask much.
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#269200 - Sat Jun 17 2006 05:27 PM Re: World Cup 2006
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LOL - I think we're going to try but we can't be too confident cause they keep talking about beating Croatia for us to get into the last 16.

Anyone know what the "I TOLD YOU SO" is all about behind the commentators on the SBS? (and is that the Football Stadium in Sydney?)

Nap this arvo, alarm set for 2 and hopefully I'll be watching.

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#269201 - Sat Jun 17 2006 10:33 PM Re: World Cup 2006
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The stadium's the Olympic Stadium at Homebush .. the I TOLD YOU SO slogan is, I think, for all the knockers who said Austrlia wouldn't make it/get past Uruguay.

It's 2:30pm Sunday afternoon, 11˝ hours to go, and almost time for a nap!

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#269202 - Sun Jun 18 2006 06:28 PM Re: World Cup 2006
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Well, that was worth getting up in the freezing cold for Sorry Ren, what do you think about Croatia? Maybe the Socceroos can beat them for you?

All we need is a draw to go through.

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#269203 - Thu Jun 22 2006 09:51 AM Re: World Cup 2006
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Quick question.

I was told that all yellow cards incurred in the first round are wiped in subsequent rounds.

Is that true?
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