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#275497 - Tue Aug 23 2005 10:45 AM Animal Rights activists get their own way
Flynn_17 Prolific Registered: Tue May 17 2005 Posts: 1138 Loc: Hull Yorkshire England UK	Even though they were obcene enough to exhume an 82 year old woman. They actually stole the remains of Gladys Hammond, a grandmother of one of the workers. Is this Animal Rights, or outright terrorism? Some of these people should really be imprisoned for the stuff they do... _________________________ Oh, a functional love life is like icing a cake - you've got to concentrate!
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#275498 - Tue Aug 23 2005 01:13 PM Re: Animal Rights activists get their own way
lothruin Multiloquent Registered: Wed Nov 12 2003 Posts: 2165 Loc: Nebraska USA	Uh, yes. extremism in any cause is not productive, and terrorism, even on a somewhat minor (comparatively) scale, is still terrorism, and shouldn't be allowed to go unattended. I consider myself an animal welfare activist, and use that designation to intentionally differentiate between myself and animal rights groups such as PETA, etc. The problem with such groups as a whole (consider their mission statements) and some individual members of such groups is that in their attempt to elevate the status of animals, they effectively downgrade the status of humans in their own eyes, which allows them to do such horrible things to other people in the name of justice. Another example of those who claim righteousness as their cause, but loose sight of righteousness in their activities. _________________________ Goodbye Ruth & Betty, my beautiful grandmothers. Betty Kuzara 1921 - April 5, 2008 Ruth Kellison 1925 - Dec 27, 2007
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#275499 - Tue Aug 23 2005 01:33 PM Re: Animal Rights activists get their own way
Kuu Prolific Registered: Mon Jun 03 2002 Posts: 1037 Loc: Hobart Tasmania Australia	I would call them animal rights 'extremists' rather than animal rights 'activists'. I know a woman who is very involved in rights for battery hens. She has protested, been arrested and spent time in prison because she broke into a egg factory taking film of conditions that were appalling compared to other such places. She also stole 8 of the hens. Conditions listed here Quote: Rescue team members returned the next night (February 26) and stood guard until the coast was clear. Then in the early hours of Wednesday, February 27 about 2:30 am they were able to avoid security alarms by entering a shed through a manure pit where faeces from the four tiers of battery hens were piled to waist height. Wearing protective clothing and breathing masks, the team worked quickly to rescue some hens, as the smell in the shed was overwhelming... Pam Clarke was gagging and nearly passed out. The only possible way to reach the hens was to put a ladder over the manure and reach up with boltcutters to cut out the bottom of the old rusty dirty cages (which didn't need much cutting!). The hens were in very bad condition suffering long overgrown claws, badly mutilated beaks, anemic combs and cloudy eyes. Activists took the first eight hens in the bottom row nearest the door. Over 40,000 hens had to be left behind. web page However Pam has never resorted to threatening or harassing people in the way these extremists do. She is willing to go to prison for her beliefs. Her actions have led to a change of attitude in Tasmania towards battery hens. Many people now buy the more expensive free range eggs. These animal right extremists deserve to spend time in prison more than Pam Clarke does. Their methods actually harm the animal right cause by turning the public against reasonable protests. Edited by Kuu (Tue Aug 23 2005 01:37 PM)
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#275500 - Tue Aug 23 2005 01:43 PM Re: Animal Rights activists get their own way
agony Administrator Registered: Sat Mar 29 2003 Posts: 16595 Loc: Western Canada	Quote: Their methods actually harm the animal rights cause by turning the public against reasonable protests. I agree. John Q Public lumps them all together, and reasonable and justified protests go unheard.
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#275501 - Tue Aug 23 2005 02:33 PM Re: Animal Rights activists get their own way
ladymacb29 Moderator Registered: Wed Mar 15 2000 Posts: 16214 Loc: The Delta Quadrant	Quote: Quote: Their methods actually harm the animal rights cause by turning the public against reasonable protests. I agree. John Q Public lumps them all together, and reasonable and justified protests go unheard. It's sort of like saying all Catholics believe in bombing abortion clinics just because a couple extremists do. _________________________ "Without the darkness, how would we see the light?" ~ Tuvok Editor for Television Category
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#275502 - Tue Aug 23 2005 04:38 PM Re: Animal Rights activists get their own way
lothruin Multiloquent Registered: Wed Nov 12 2003 Posts: 2165 Loc: Nebraska USA	Ladymacb, that's one of the key reasons I prefer the term Animal Welfare to Animal Rights. Ms. Clarke is acting in the interests of the welfare of the animals. That is my stance as well. However, many animal rights groups, such as PETA, as I mentioned above, do hold at their core the notion that animals have as much (in some cases they believe MORE) inherint value than humans, and thereby justify the extreme, dangerous and wrongful actions they take against humans in the name of the animals. While I personally do believe that life, whether animal or human, has inherint value, and qualitating that value is at best a wasted effort, I also believe that if I had to save my child or my dog, but not both, I know what I would choose. I personally know at last one member of PETA who, unable to choose between them, would eventually lose both with her indecisiveness. This mentality is not, in my opinion, useful, as it DOES hurt the cause of animal welfare more than help it. _________________________ Goodbye Ruth & Betty, my beautiful grandmothers. Betty Kuzara 1921 - April 5, 2008 Ruth Kellison 1925 - Dec 27, 2007
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