#277177 - Tue Sep 06 2005 01:25 PM
Re: New Orleans
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Loc: Nebraska USA
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Many Humane societies take few animals beyond dogs and cats, as well, and being a ferret person myself, the response of the "ferret community" has been quick and thorough. Ferrets have an undeserved bad name, and many local agencies will not house them, so it is left to private organizations, and they've really stepped up. And not just for ferrets, but many organizations much farther away are also jumping into the mix, much like other cities across the country are preparing to take in human refugees. It's often easy to lose sight of things like this.
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#277180 - Tue Sep 06 2005 02:00 PM
Re: New Orleans
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Registered: Wed Apr 28 2004
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Loc: Wisconsin USA
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I think this hurricane has hit a nerve...so many nerves on a never ending list. I agree with Gatsby that this arguing over all of this helps no one.
The hurricane and aftermath is of such gigantic proportions that its whole is incomprehensible. But in when we examine the smaller pieces we are lead back to the bigger picture and all those incomprehensible questions...
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#277181 - Tue Sep 06 2005 03:17 PM
Re: New Orleans
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I think we all need to hear this story Quote:
He Held Their Lives in His Tiny Hands By Ellen Barry, Times Staff Writer
BATON ROUGE, La. — In the chaos that was Causeway Boulevard, this group of refugees stood out: a 6-year-old boy walking down the road, holding a 5-month-old, surrounded by five toddlers who followed him around as if he were their leader.
They were holding hands. Three of the children were about 2 years old, and one was wearing only diapers. A 3-year-old girl, who wore colorful barrettes on the ends of her braids, had her 14-month-old brother in tow. The 6-year-old spoke for all of them, and he told rescuers his name was Deamonte Love.
Thousands of human stories have flown past relief workers in the last week, but few have touched them as much as the seven children who were found wandering together Thursday at an evacuation point in downtown New Orleans. In the Baton Rouge headquarters of the rescue operation, paramedics tried to coax their names out of them; nurses who examined them stayed up that night, brooding.
Transporting the children alone was "the hardest thing I've ever done in my life, knowing that their parents are either dead" or that they had been abandoned, said Pat Coveney, a Houston emergency medical technician who put them into the back of his ambulance and drove them out of New Orleans.
"It goes back to the same thing," he said. "How did a 6-year-old end up being in charge of six babies?"
So far, parents displaced by flooding have reported 220 children missing, but that number is expected to rise, said Mike Kenner of the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children, which will help reunite families. With crowds churning at evacuation points, many children were parted from their parents accidentally; one woman handed her baby up onto a bus, turned around to pick up her suitcase and turned back to find that the bus had left.
"When my kids were little I used to lose them in Target, so it's not hard for me to believe," said Nanette White, press secretary for Louisiana's Department of Social Services. "Sometimes little kids just wander off. They're there one second and you blink and they're gone."
At the rescue headquarters, a cool tile-floored building swarming with firefighters and paramedics, the children ate cafeteria food and fell into a deep sleep. Deamonte volunteered his vital statistics. He said his father was tall and his mother was short. He gave his address, his phone number and the name of his elementary school.
He said that the 5-month-old was his brother, Darynael, and that two others were his cousins, Tyreek and Zoria. The other three lived in his apartment building.
The children were clean and healthy — downright plump in the case of the infant, said Joyce Miller, a nurse who examined them. It was clear, she said, that "time had been taken with those kids." The baby was "fat and happy."
All evening Thursday as strike teams came and went to the flooded city, volunteer Ron Haynes carried one of the 2-year-old girls back and forth, playing with her until she was calm enough to eat dinner.
"This baby child was terrified," he said. "After she relaxed, it was gobble, gobble, gobble."
As grim dispatches came in from the field, one woman in the office burst into tears at the thought that the children had been abandoned in New Orleans, said Sharon Howard, assistant secretary of the office of public health.
Late the same night, they got an encouraging report: A woman in a shelter in Thibodeaux was searching for seven children. People in the building started clapping at the news. But when they got the mother on the phone, it became clear that she was looking for a different group of seven children, Howard said.
"What that made me understand was that this was happening across the state," she said. "That kind of frightened me."
The children were transferred to a shelter operated by the Department of Social Services, rooms full of toys and cribs where mentors from the Big Buddy Program were on hand day and night. For the next two days, the staff did detective work.
One of the 2-year-olds steadfastly refused to say her name until a worker took her picture with a digital camera and showed it to her. The little girl pointed at it and cried out, "Gabby!" One of the boys; with a halo of curly hair; had a G printed on his T-shirt when he arrived; when volunteers started calling him G, they noticed that he responded.
Deamonte began to give more details to Derrick Robertson, a 27-year-old Big Buddy mentor: How he saw his mother cry when he was loaded onto the helicopter. How he promised her he'd take care of his little brother.
Read the rest of the story here
What a wonderful little boy Deamonte is.
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#277182 - Tue Sep 06 2005 03:41 PM
Re: New Orleans
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Kuu - thanks for sharing the link to that story.
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#277183 - Tue Sep 06 2005 04:06 PM
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Loc: Bay Area California USA
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It's rather sad to me that a couple people in that article assumed that those children had been abandoned. With all the chaos there, and the way the evacuations were being handled, why would they think that? 
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#277184 - Tue Sep 06 2005 07:23 PM
Re: New Orleans
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Registered: Sun May 18 2003
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Loc: Arizona USA
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First of all, let me say that I am not here to argue any points. I don't believe that there is anything that anybody can say that's going to change any minds about the response to this disaster, but I’d like to share some things. James Lee Witt (mentioned in an earlier post) was the Director of FEMA under Pres. Clinton. While not being a Clinton fan, I was a very big fan of James Lee. While he was Director, Hurricane Andrew (1992) hit the coastline of Florida, did extensive damage, and then continued on until it hit the coastline of Louisiana. There were cries of outrage in Florida that FEMA's response and recovery time was unacceptable while the media fueled the fires by reporting all the negative aspects of this disaster. What it boiled down to was this: a local disaster declaration was not made, while in turn, the Governor of Florida did not sign a State Disaster Declaration until days after the storm hit. The Federal Government cannot come in until the State asks. However, while people and the media were carrying on about Florida’s storm victims, the State of Louisiana was quietly responding and recovering from their own damage from the same storm. People probably don’t remember that Andrew did damage to Louisiana and you know why? Because when State officials knew that the storm was headed their way, they had local AND state declarations of disaster ready to be signed in order for the federal government to declare a Presidential Disaster, which in turn allows FEMA to start coordinating federal response and assistance. While Hurricane Andrew at the time was the most costly in US History, it in no way compares to the costs that Katrina will be, either in dollars or human life. But it’s sounding as if the same sort of problem has occurred, this time with Louisiana being slow in the face and in the wake of disaster. If I’m not mistaken, the same chain of events must occur in order for the federal government to become involved: Local Disaster Declaration, State Declaration, then Presidential Declaration. I don’t know what happened to Louisiana’s State Emergency Management Offices during the last 10 years that I’ve been out of the business, but there has been a terrible breakdown of communication, training, and funding somewhere. It really doesn’t do anybody any good right now to point fingers and blame. That can come later. I’m watching the TV news tonight that’s asking “do you know if your city has an emergency operations plan?” Well, do you? I’m sure they do, but do you know what is expected of you and your city officials? I worked for Emergency Management for many years and only left it to work with my husband because disaster awareness and preparedness is something that I’m very passionate about. People have a mindset of “this stuff only happens to someone else." Disasters happen everywhere - are you prepared? I was sent the following email this afternoon that gives another point of view. The media has a way of distorting a lot of events, but I found this story interesting enough to post here. That’s not to say that I agree with everything in it, but it makes some sense. Quote:
An Unnatural Disaster: A Hurricane Exposes the Man-Made Disaster of the Welfare State
by Robert Tracinski Sep 02, 2005 by Robert Tracinski
It took four long days for state and federal officials to figure out how to deal with the disaster in New Orleans. I can't blame them, because it also took me four long days to figure out what was going on there. The reason is that the events there make no sense if you think that we are confronting a natural disaster.
If this is just a natural disaster, the response for public officials is obvious: you bring in food, water, and doctors; you send transportation to evacuate refugees to temporary shelters; you send engineers to stop the flooding and rebuild the city's infrastructure. For journalists, natural disasters also have a familiar pattern: the heroism of ordinary people pulling together to survive; the hard work and dedication of doctors, nurses, and rescue workers; the steps being taken to clean up and rebuild.
Public officials did not expect that the first thing they would have to do is to send thousands of armed troops in armored vehicle, as if they are suppressing an enemy insurgency. And journalists—myself included—did not expect that the story would not be about rain, wind, and flooding, but about rape, murder, and looting.
But this is not a natural disaster. It is a man-made disaster.
The man-made disaster is not an inadequate or incompetent response by federal relief agencies, and it was not directly caused by Hurricane Katrina. This is where just about every newspaper and television channel has gotten the story wrong.
The man-made disaster we are now witnessing in New Orleans did not happen over four days last week. It happened over the past four decades. Hurricane Katrina merely exposed it to public view.
The man-made disaster is the welfare state.
For the past few days, I have found the news from New Orleans to be confusing. People were not behaving as you would expect them to behave in an emergency—indeed, they were not behaving as they have behaved in other emergencies. That is what has shocked so many people: they have been saying that this is not what we expect from America. In fact, it is not even what we expect from a Third World country.
When confronted with a disaster, people usually rise to the occasion. They work together to rescue people in danger, and they spontaneously organize to keep order and solve problems. This is especially true in America. We are an enterprising people, used to relying on our own initiative rather than waiting around for the government to take care of us. I have seen this a hundred times, in small examples (a small town whose main traffic light had gone out, causing ordinary citizens to get out of their cars and serve as impromptu traffic cops, directing cars through the intersection) and large ones (the spontaneous response of New Yorkers to September 11).
So what explains the chaos in New Orleans?
To give you an idea of the magnitude of what is going on, here is a description from a Washington Times story:
"Storm victims are raped and beaten; fights erupt with flying fists, knives and guns; fires are breaking out; corpses litter the streets; and police and rescue helicopters are repeatedly fired on.
"The plea from Mayor C. Ray Nagin came even as National Guardsmen poured in to restore order and stop the looting, carjackings and gunfire....
"Last night, Gov. Kathleen Babineaux Blanco said 300 Iraq-hardened Arkansas National Guard members were inside New Orleans with shoot-to-kill orders.
" 'These troops are...under my orders to restore order in the streets,' she said. 'They have M-16s, and they are locked and loaded. These troops know how to shoot and kill and they are more than willing to do so if necessary and I expect they will.' "
The reference to Iraq is eerie. The photo that accompanies this article shows a SWAT team with rifles and armored vests riding on an armored vehicle through trash-strewn streets lined by a rabble of squalid, listless people, one of whom appears to be yelling at them. It looks exactly like a scene from Sadr City in Baghdad.
What explains bands of thugs using a natural disaster as an excuse for an orgy of looting, armed robbery, and rape? What causes unruly mobs to storm the very buses that have arrived to evacuate them, causing the drivers to speed away, frightened for their lives? What causes people to attack the doctors trying to treat patients at the Superdome?
Why are people responding to natural destruction by causing further destruction? Why are they attacking the people who are trying to help them?
My wife, Sherri, figured it out first, and she figured it out on a sense-of-life level. While watching the coverage one night on Fox News Channel, she told me that she was getting a familiar feeling. She studied architecture at the Illinois Institute of Technology, which is located in the South Side of Chicago just blocks away from the Robert Taylor Homes, one of the largest high-rise public housing projects in America. "The projects," as they were known, were infamous for uncontrollable crime and irremediable squalor. (They have since, mercifully, been demolished.)
What Sherri was getting from last night's television coverage was a whiff of the sense of life of "the projects." Then the "crawl"—the informational phrases flashed at the bottom of the screen on most news channels—gave some vital statistics to confirm this sense: 75% of the residents of New Orleans had already evacuated before the hurricane, and of those who remained, a large number were from the city's public housing projects. Jack Wakeland then told me that early reports from CNN and Fox indicated that the city had no plan for evacuating all of the prisoners in the city's jails—so they just let many of them loose. [Update: I have been searching for news reports on this last story, but I have not been able to confirm it. Instead, I have found numerous reports about the collapse of the corrupt and incompetent New Orleans Police Department; see here and here.]
There is no doubt a significant overlap between these two populations--that is, a large number of people in the jails used to live in the housing projects, and vice versa.
There were many decent, innocent people trapped in New Orleans when the deluge hit—but they were trapped alongside large numbers of people from two groups: criminals—and wards of the welfare state, people selected, over decades, for their lack of initiative and self-induced helplessness. The welfare wards were a mass of sheep—on whom the incompetent administration of New Orleans unleashed a pack of wolves.
All of this is related, incidentally, to the incompetence of the city government, which failed to plan for a total evacuation of the city, despite the knowledge that this might be necessary. In a city corrupted by the welfare state, the job of city officials is to ensure the flow of handouts to welfare recipients and patronage to political supporters—not to ensure a lawful, orderly evacuation in case of emergency.
No one has really reported this story, as far as I can tell. In fact, some are already actively distorting it, blaming President Bush, for example, for failing to personally ensure that the Mayor of New Orleans had drafted an adequate evacuation plan. The worst example is an execrable piece from the Toronto Globe and Mail, by a supercilious Canadian who blames the chaos on American "individualism." But the truth is precisely the opposite: the chaos was caused by a system that was the exact opposite of individualism.
What Hurricane Katrina exposed was the psychological consequences of the welfare state. What we consider "normal" behavior in an emergency is behavior that is normal for people who have values and take the responsibility to pursue and protect them. People with values respond to a disaster by fighting against it and doing whatever it takes to overcome the difficulties they face. They don't sit around and complain that the government hasn't taken care of them. And they don't use the chaos of a disaster as an opportunity to prey on their fellow men.
But what about criminals and welfare parasites? Do they worry about saving their houses and property? They don't, because they don't own anything. Do they worry about what is going to happen to their businesses or how they are going to make a living? They never worried about those things before. Do they worry about crime and looting? But living off of stolen wealth is a way of life for them.
People living in piles of their own trash, while petulantly complaining that other people aren't doing enough to take care of them and then shooting at those who come to rescue them—this is not just a description of the chaos at the Superdome. It is a perfect summary of the 40-year history of the welfare state and its public housing projects.
The welfare state—and the brutish, uncivilized mentality it sustains and encourages—is the man-made disaster that explains the moral ugliness that has swamped New Orleans. And that is the story that no one is reporting.
Source: TIA Daily -- September 2, 2005
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#277185 - Tue Sep 06 2005 07:58 PM
Re: New Orleans
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Multiloquent
Registered: Wed Nov 12 2003
Posts: 2165
Loc: Nebraska USA
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Hmm. There are many ways in which I could comment on that story. I will only say I have no doubt that poverty, whether self-induced, forced, or part of a vicious circle, was the key factor in this situation. I also have no doubt that of the people suffering most in this disaster any one or combination of the above most likely apply. I don't think it would be wise for me to say more, nor do I think it would be exactly relevant at this point in the discussion. While the politics, both immediate and long-contributing, will fascinate me for years to come, I'm sure, I would simply rather focus on what can now be done to further the effort to ammend THIS problem.
I've heard that many of the refugees will be moved to my town. A small percentage, I'm sure, and they will join refugees from all over the world who have come to this small, midwestern place. I hope they are met with love and generosity rather than fear or prejudice (does one exist without the other?).
My sis in Atlanta has already joined Emory University's attempt to house some refugees, though they are not the most needy. They have developed a program to house students from universities which have closed temporarily due to the storm by having students at Emory volunteer guest space in their homes. My sis signed up. She is also organizing a craft group that will sell hand-made goods at a booth on Emory's grounds, with procedes being donated to relief efforts. I'll be sending her some things to sell. I've also donated funds to one of the animal welfare organizations, albeit a small amount, but as much as I can afford. I will do what I can, which isn't much. And I will try to wait until that is done before turning to the politics, though everyone here knows that will be hard for me.
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#277186 - Tue Sep 06 2005 09:25 PM
Re: New Orleans
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Registered: Mon Jun 03 2002
Posts: 1037
Loc: Hobart Tasmania Australia
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There is a photo of Deamonte Love at this site web page
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#277187 - Tue Sep 06 2005 11:31 PM
Re: New Orleans
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Registered: Sun Oct 05 2003
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I hope people from NO can move on with their lives, although I am sure it will be difficult for awhile. There are many refugees sheltering here in Texas, mainly Houston, San antonio, and Dallas. Reunion Arena (former home for the Mavericks and Stars) is holding some, as well as the Alamodome and Astrodome. Hope the time in Texas for the refugees is good for each of them, and they can recoup as much as they can when they get back to NO.  One of the radio stations here in Dallas is saying welcome.
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#277188 - Wed Sep 07 2005 04:40 AM
Re: New Orleans
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Registered: Sun Oct 26 2003
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I wouldn't move back there.
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#277191 - Wed Sep 07 2005 08:49 AM
Re: New Orleans
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Registered: Thu Oct 07 1999
Posts: 10282
Loc: New York USA
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dg_dave, what do these people have to go back to? It will be a long time before NO even has water that's fit to drink and fully operative electrical power. And still longer until homes, schools, hospitals, and businesses will be rebuilt, if they ever are.
The states, including Texas, that have sheltered these victims must gear up to absorb these people into their communities for the long term. They need housing ASAP, clothing and furniture, medical care, employment, necessary living subsidies, and education (200,000 school children have been displaced by this disaster) for the foreseeable future. These victims are not likely to move anywhere. They have to be welcomed to Texas, and all the other states, as new residents, and residents with needs that may well sorely tax local resources. Barbara Bush may think that accommodations at the Astrodome are just fine, since she apparently feels that these victims have never known much better. But most thinking, and less arrogant, people know that these victims cannot be housed in such places much longer, because that is simply not a viable, or humane, solution for anyone. These people must actually be welcomed into the community and provided with appropriate housing and all other necessary services. Their burdens will rapidly become the shared burdens of these host communities, and it remains to be seen how gracefully and generously these long term burdens will be handled. Providing a cot and a few hot meals in a sports arena are temporary, emergency measures. The resettlement work hasn't even begun yet, and that's when the real challenge will begin.
The media has used the term "refugees" to refer to these victims, and I feel that is a most unfortunate and inaccurate term. Since when have we referred to our victims of domestic disasters as "refugees"? These are mainly tax paying citizens of our own country who have been displaced from their homes as the result of a disaster. To call them "refugees" implies they are outsiders, or foreigners, who have suddenly sought refuge in our midst. It is a distancing term, and one, that in this particular situation, seems designed to strip away what little dignity these people have left. It somehow justifies warehousing them in "refugee camps" in sports arenas and other places.
Let's stop pretending these are "refugees". These are American citizens, and taxpayers, who have been victimized by both a natural and man-made disaster. They are not going back to where they came from, because that place no longer exists. They are going to severely tax the housing, medical, educational and employment resources of their new communities. That is the challenge we must all prepare for. Just saying, "Welcome to Texas" is the easy part, the rest might not be easy at all.
Cities like Baton Rouge gained 250,000 people overnight. School districts in several states are already worried that those displaced 200,000 schoolchildren might lower their schools' test scores and earn the districts poor grades which might then lead to staff reductions or school closings in those communities. Available housing and rentals have already begun to dry up in some locations as people scamper to find a more permanent residence. And this is only the beginning. As the stresses and strains on communities increase, due to these new settlers, I hope that the warm welcome and the spirit of generosity does not fade or become bitter.
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#277192 - Wed Sep 07 2005 09:24 AM
Re: New Orleans
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Registered: Wed Nov 12 2003
Posts: 2165
Loc: Nebraska USA
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From a personal standpoint, I think the term refugee is appropriate. I can, however, see how it's use by the media is unfortunate. A refugee is someone who is seeking refuge, which these people are. To me, it does not imply an outsider or a foreigner, and I think can quite appropriately be used in this situation, but I know that it DOES imply that to some people, and can see how that isn't beneficial to the situation. I suppose it really is a matter of semantics, and the best terminology to influence the public positively is what should be used. I don't know if that actually makes sense. I guess what I'm saying is that the term refugee does not ACTUALLY mean a foreigner or outsider requesting aid, but since it implies that to many members of the general public, I can see why it's use should be minimized in this situation.
As I said, my community is gearing up to take in a small percentage of those displaced, and we are more than willing to give them the refuge they seek. We've done it before, for people from all over the world, and to me, those refugees aren't outsiders either, though they ARE foreigners, but they are also members of my community, and therefore very much insiders. Our infrastructure is already designed to handle the burdens it will feel to some extent, but I'm more worried about the reception from my community. Under these circumstances, the few bad apples may well ruin it for the many good people who need our help, much as they have done already IN New Orleans. I'll say right now that my city is, for many reasons, not all of which I'm clear on, a focus of many resettlement efforts for groups from across the globe. English as a second language is taught in all of our public high schools, and a large percentage of the population of the city ranges from Southeast Asian to Eastern European immigrants, and the inflow of refugees and settlers from all of these places has been steady for several decades. While there is a huge difference between Americans relocating (even due to disaster) and foreigners seeking refuge, the burdens on my community will be very similar, and I'm glad that we have such a long history of flexibility in situations like this.
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#277193 - Wed Sep 07 2005 10:29 AM
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Registered: Thu Oct 07 1999
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One difference is that foreign immigrants do not generally descend en masse overnight, and in immediate need of social service entitlements as well as housing, medical care, and education. Many immigrants come with far more assets and fewer immediate problems than these hurricane victims bring. It cannot be left just to local communities to deal with these problems. Assistance on both the state and federal level will be needed and it is not at all clear how or when that will be worked out. Meanwhile, local officials may already be growing frantic over these new burdens and demands.
The current administration has followed a course of decreasing federal aid, particularly to the less privileged among us. Consequently the number of people living in poverty, and the infant mortality rate (an indication of the quality of health care) has increased during Bush's term in office. The New Orleans situation exposed the face of that poverty, along with some of it's ugly aspects, to the entire world. People who were in need before are considerably more in need now. Will Medicaid cuts be restored? Will the No Child Left Behind educational agenda be scrapped, or temporarily suspended, because of all the displaced students? Will the federal government make any attempts to deal with the underlying situation of poverty that has contributed to this current situation of resettlement. Will these victims now just be "dumped" elsewhere and forgotten?
The strains and economic costs of resettlement are going to be intensified by the general impact of the hurricane damage on our entire economy. Everyone will see higher costs in some areas and everyone will see price increases affect their lives. It's already apparent in the prices at the gas pump. It will happen in other areas as well. This may further impact local resources as well as consumer spending, which, again, affects our national economy.
Only as time passes will the true relief and rebuilding costs of this hurricane become apparent. People will soon become tired of living in shelters and depending on the kindness of strangers. Will the federal government be there for them with help in rebuilding their lives? How will the states and municipalities share these burdens? Whose responsibility is it to care for all these people, and how should this responsibility be apportioned?
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#277194 - Wed Sep 07 2005 12:22 PM
Re: New Orleans
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Registered: Wed Nov 12 2003
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Loc: Nebraska USA
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The answer to your last question is, at least in part, very simple. It is everyone's responsibility to care for all these people. As fellow Americans, and a generally kind and generous people... How we divide the responsibility among us is another question. For now, I think we must assume as much on our own civilian shoulders as we can, because I think, for many of the reasons you've pointed out so well, it will be some time before ANY local, state or federal aid is effectively realized.
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#277195 - Wed Sep 07 2005 12:59 PM
Re: New Orleans
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Registered: Thu Oct 07 1999
Posts: 10282
Loc: New York USA
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Why should it take ANY time for the proper aid to begin flowing down from the top? It is naive to say that civilian shoulders can handle this sort of major upheaval of large numbers of people. Are you personally prepared to pay medical bills or the costs of schooling displaced children? Are you prepared to pay the rent on apartments to house these people? Good intentions are one thing, but the reality, and enormity, of this situation is quite another thing. I watched my government shamefully delay in getting these people the immediate help they needed just to survive. I am not prepared to accept more delays in getting these people properly established in new communities. That is not a task that can be carried on civilian shoulders. It is not even a task that municipalities or states can do alone. Why don't we know already how services will be delivered, and by whom? Isn't this why we have a government? Isn't this why Homeland Security and FEMA exist? Where is our preparedness to deal with the aftermath of disasters? Who is coordinating the action? FEMA has already held up foreign offers of much needed help, supplies and equipment from our allies. Why? What is all the stalling about? Why aren't we seeing a government fully prepared to swing into action? And the climate in some communities might not be so nonchalant: Quote:
September 7, 2005 In Baton Rouge, a Tinge of Evacuee Backlash By PETER APPLEBOME BATON ROUGE, La., Sept. 6 - Last week came the rumors - of riots at Wal-Marts, of break-ins at homes, of drug gangs from New Orleans roaming the streets of its more sedate neighbor 75 miles up Interstate 10.
Today came the reality - of a dozen or more relatives crowded under one roof, of hours stuck in traffic trying to get to school or work, of frustration and fear about what kind of city Baton Rouge will be with at least 100,000 evacuees and rescue workers added to the 227,000 residents it had before the storm hit.
Make no mistake. The overwhelming response of people in Baton Rouge to Hurricane Katrina has been one of compassion and sacrifice with every church in town, it seems, housing or feeding evacuees.
But there have also been runs on gun stores, mounting frustration over gridlocked roads and an undercurrent of fear about crime and the effect of the evacuees.
After the chaos of the storm, which did some damage here, and a long weekend, Tuesday was the first day most residents returned to work and school. Before the evacuation, blacks made up about half the population of Baton Rouge and almost 70 percent of New Orleans, and in conversations in which race is often explicit or just below the surface, voices on the street, in shops, and especially in the anonymous hothouse of talk radio were raising a new question: just how compassionate can this community, almost certainly home to more evacuees than any other, afford to be?
"You can't take the city out of the yat, and you can't take the yat out of the city," said Frank Searle, a longtime Baton Rouge resident, using a slang term for New Orleanians derived from the local greeting, "Where y'at?"
"These people will not assimilate here," Mr. Searle said. "They put up with the crime in New Orleans, and now it's staring them in the face, but up here that's not going to be tolerated. People are going to handle it individually if they have to. This is the South. We will take care of it."
For a week Baton Rouge, the state capital, home of Louisiana State University and a place that sees itself as a less raucous cousin to what had been the kingdom of sin and merriment to its south, has been trying to come to terms with its sudden status as the state's most populous city.
"It's a new Baton Rouge we're living in, isn't it?" said Jeanine Smallwood of suburban Prairieville, in the middle of a 90-minute drive to work that should have taken 20.
Like many people in and near Baton Rouge, Mrs. Smallwood, her 1,700-square-foot house now sheltering 14 people, is trying to balance the need for compassion with the vertigo of a changed city. And so while she wishes all the evacuees well, she said she feared an influx of people from the housing projects of New Orleans, places, she has heard, where people walk around in T-shirts that read, "Kill the cops."
"Or so the story has it," she said. "Those aren't neighborhoods I go to."
She was so rattled, she said, she told her daughter she might have to move. On reflection, she said, there is little chance of that. Instead, she is hoping for the best.
"People are, what's the word? Not frustrated, not scared, it's more like their lives are on hold, everything's changed and we're trying to figure out what the new normal is going to be," Mrs. Smallwood said.
Many relief workers and volunteers say the worries over crime reflect more wholesale stereotyping of people fleeing a catastrophe than anything based in fact, but safety is a major issue. At the height of the post-storm panic last week, people waited in line for three and a half hours at Jim's Firearms, a giant gun and sporting goods store. Many were people from New Orleans with their own safety issues. But many were local residents jumpy about the newcomers from New Orleans and stocking up on Glock and Smith & Wesson handguns.
Jim Siegmund, a salesman at Jim's recently returned from military service in Iraq, said he did not think there was anything to worry about. Still, holding a cellphone in his hand and comparing it to a 9-millimeter handgun he said: "When push comes to shove, this won't protect you, but a Glock 9 will."
Joel Phillips, a 38-year-old contractor, said he had never owned a gun in his life, but after watching an angry argument at a gas station, he stood in line for three hours at Jim's to buy a 9-millimeter Ruger handgun and then went with a friend to a firing range over the weekend to learn how to use it.
"I have two daughters, I sometimes have to work in bad neighborhoods," Mr. Phillips said. "I probably don't need it, but I'll feel better knowing that I have some protection."
Many evacuees are staying with family or friends, their campers, S.U.V.'s and pickups parked on front lawns or circular driveways.
Most people at the broad array of shelters were dazed but appreciative of the help from local volunteers like the Louisiana State University students, upbeat and attentive, tending to sick and exhausted evacuees at the triage center on campus.
But others, particularly those at the main Red Cross shelter at the River Center convention center downtown, were seething with frustration, not just over the disaster they were fleeing, but from the sense that they were being treated not so much like guests as people being warehoused until they could be shipped elsewhere.
Patricia Perry, a postal employee from New Orleans, said anyone with a wristband from the River Center shelter was being stereotyped outside it as one of "those people" - looters, criminals, outcasts.
"It's like a stigma," she said. "All they really want to do is get us out of town. Well, I'm from Louisiana. I work hard. I pay my taxes. Surely, this state can find a place for us to live."
Still, many residents, with the sense of intimacy that remains so much a part of Southern life, took their role as hosts seriously, as if it would be bad manners, the ultimate sin in the South, to do otherwise.
So when Pam Robertson, manager of a convenience store, asked a customer how he was doing, it was not dutiful chatter but a real question that begged for a real answer.
When it came, she took the man's hand in hers over the counter and talked about her friend Hunter, evacuated from Loyola University, about her upbringing in the town of Henderson in the heart of Cajun country, about the grid of local streets here.
She greeted one and all with the same missionary zeal, as if the right words could somehow undo the disaster of the past week.
And when asked how she was doing, or even when they didn't, she replied: "I'm tired, but I'm hanging in. It's good. It's all good. God is good. We'll get through it."
Not only do the victims need help, all the communities who have reached out to them also need help. That will help to diffuse some tensions that might otherwise fester and build. The government must begin acting swiftly and visibly, but first the burdens and responsibilities must be apportioned and coordinated between all levels of government. So, is there evidence of that happening, or are we going to see more bungling and needless delays? At what point do needless delays become another indication of incompetence?
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#277196 - Wed Sep 07 2005 02:06 PM
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I agree with you, chelseabell. I am not naive. I can barely pay my own emergency medical bills, so I am clearly not up to the task of shouldering the costs for others. You'll note, though, that I did not say that "civilian shoulders can handle this sort of major upheaval". I said that it is all of our responsibilities to see that it is handled, and that includes us, our government and those we are helping. All of us. I also said we must shoulder as much as we can on civilian shoulders until the government aid comes. I didn't say we should shoulder it all, nor should that be expected. There is NO good reason why government aid does not come swiftly and efficiently, but for many reasons I doubt that will happen, to include my increasing dissatisfaction with the current administration. Frankly, I hope I am wrong. But, whether swiftly or slowly, until that aid does come, we citizens must take up what slack we can.
And for the record, I think needless delays are immediate indications of incompetence, by definition.
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#277198 - Thu Sep 08 2005 06:18 AM
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I see from the news programmes that 25,000 body bags are being sent to New Orleans. I also see that 96 British people are unaccounted for at present.
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#277199 - Thu Sep 08 2005 08:09 AM
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According to the news last night, they're going through $2 BILLION dollars a DAY in relief efforts.
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#277200 - Thu Sep 08 2005 02:54 PM
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An aspect of this disaster which seems to be ignored is the pollution being caused by pumping the vast amount of contaminated water directly into the Gulf coast without any form of filtration. Apart from the pollution caused by decomposing human and animal bodies, there is raw sewage and vast amounts of petroleum and chemical waste from household, commercial and industrial premises. The adverse environmental impact on the Gulf coast is likely to be extremely serious, both in commercial terms and in health hazard. There is enormous political pressure on national, State, and local administrations to get rid of the floodwater as quickly as possible, but I wonder if simply pumping it into the sea, without any form of treatment, is really the best long term solution? This is still only the middle of the hurricane season, and realistically there is no guarantee that the Gulf coast will not be hit by another category five hurricane, or maybe even stronger. Whether or not you believe that global warming is influenced by human activity, it is nonetheless a scientific fact, and even small increases in atmospheric temperature result in enormous stored energy within the atmosphere. Without massive strengthening of the levees and other storm/flood protection systems New Orleans and other locations in this area may prove to be unviable for normal habitation. Also without such measures how will any commercial or private building get insurance against flooding or hurricane damage? These are real problems which State and national government will eventually have to face up to.
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#277201 - Thu Sep 08 2005 03:41 PM
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I was wondering about that today, myself, aramis.
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