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#278701 - Thu Sep 29 2005 06:18 AM Re: Off To Serbia
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I agree. This makes very interesting reading, and viewing,Roos. Thanks.
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#278702 - Thu Sep 29 2005 09:18 PM Re: Off To Serbia
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I loved the 'gril bum' sign on the food wagon! I've never tried grilling bum before.




No kidding... Sounds either delicious or excruciatingly painful.

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don`t get me started about the small room with the hole in the floor. The sign on the door read toilet but that room was so far removed from any toilet that I have even been in I walked in and walked straight out again!




LOL.
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#278703 - Fri Sep 30 2005 12:30 AM Re: Off To Serbia
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Great writing Roos, thanks!
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#278704 - Fri Sep 30 2005 06:56 AM Re: Off To Serbia
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I'm enjoying this, too! I love traveling and seeing new places, even when it's a virtual trip through someone else's eyes!

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#278705 - Sun Oct 02 2005 07:34 PM Re: Off To Serbia
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Yes Skunkee that particular comment from Lils father was one that I could have done without. I`m just enjoying that others are enjoying this account, thanks for the appreciation.
Thanks Ren though its really just a chance for me to have a "slide night" that the world is invited to.
You`re very welcome Blinkybill I hope that others tell us here about their holidays in the future.
Cinnamon I know exactly what you mean, I love reading about trips and buy alot of "Mitchener" novels as I see them as a cheap holiday. Glad you are enjoying this thread.

Novi Sad

We spent another couple of days exploring Belgrade and visited Titos grave at his "House Of
Flowers". A surprising name for the residence of such a powerful leader, but the grounds were well laid out with flowers,shrubs and trees all around the buildings. There were about half
a dozen buildings there including a museum. The museum was fascinating and filled with costumes
and tools from the different regions Tito controlled. One room had small showcases with each holding a type of septre , evidently these were a "tribute" to Tito presented to him by the
peoples of the old Yugoslavia states each birthday.

I had read of [the second day in Belgrade I purchased a 300 page Serbian travel guide] the
Petrovaradin Fortress at Novi Sad and was keen to visit another castle. Getting there was only
an hours bus trip away and as the buses left every half hour it was easy to get seats.
The town of Novi Sad has a number universities and is considered one of the great places for culture in Serbia
, whilst we were there had a large book sale in progress, which Lily couldn`t resist. The architecture is an interesting mixture of Serbian,Austrian
,Hungarian and a couple of buildings also recognizable as being of Turkish design.
The residents were mainly Serbs and the largest minority group was of Hungarian ancestry. The
shopping was a little more expensive than Belgrade though the cabs were almost half the price.

Petrovaradin Fortress has been occupied by various countries over the centuries and has a commanding
view of the Danube. The bridge pylons visible in that picture are what`s left of one of
the three bridges destroyed by NATO. Two of the three bridges have been rebuilt but the third
is a temporary pontoon bridge that is opened a couple of times a week to allow river
traffic to pass.
We spent hours walking around and throughout the fortress, I was visualizing myself as a defender and was thinking of the screaming hoards I could repell from the parapets of this enormous castle, some of us never grow up!
We had lunch there and headed off back to Belgrade late that afternoon.

Noisy vibrating concrete cleaner in Novi Sad.

Natasha and myself in the fortress grounds.

Next.....Topola and the mausoleum on Oplenac hill.


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#278706 - Sun Oct 02 2005 08:39 PM Re: Off To Serbia
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roos, this remains fascinating to read! Also, that pic of you and Natasha is DEFINITELY FT Scrapbook material .
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#278707 - Mon Oct 03 2005 07:15 AM Re: Off To Serbia
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What a lovely looking couple you two are Roos - not to swell your head you realise.

I am really enjoying the write up.
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#278708 - Mon Oct 10 2005 03:07 AM Re: Off To Serbia
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Thanks Dave, I seem to recall that I removed my pic from the scrapbook a while ago but may think about putting that one with Natasha in. And thank you Sue for the compliment, Natasha is of course the one that makes the picture look nice, not the newly forty year old man she is trying to escape from.

During my birthday dinner [I turned 40] my older brother in-law mentioned that he had some business to attend to in the Kosovo region and would only be gone for a day, as soon as I heard that I asked if I could come along, I was thinking of the danger aspect and looking forward to it. I`m a little stupid at times.
My wife was against the idea and so were her parents, I knew the area was dangerous but the adventure seemed to good to me to pass up. My older brother in-law agreed to let me tag along but his mother was argueing against it with him, I didn`t understand much of what was being said but Lily
translated the main points for me. Evidently her mother didn`t even want him going let alone me also as one of Lils uncles [fathers side] was on a KLA death list and if we were found by them we could be either killed or kidnapped and ransomed. All that risk simply fueled my desire to get out there and it was arranged that he should pick me up in two days time.
I was looking forward to the trip but conversations were happening in the household that put an end to it. I couldn`t very well argue that I should be going when the whole family had decided that I simply wasn`t! The older brother was feeling a little guilty about giving in and not taking me but I guess I would have been just an extra person he would have had to watch out for when it comes down to it. He went by himself but when he got back was keen to drive us to
anywhere in Serbia we wanted to go. I had read of an interesting church/ mausoleum near the town of Topola and it was decided that we should go there.
The drive to Topola was interesting and was mostly along one of the major north south highways, passing smaller towns and through the countryside. The approach to the mausoleum by-passed the centre of Topola and it was easy for us to navigate to our destination. After the car was parked and
Natasha secured in her stroller we walked through a tree lined avenue up the middle of acres of parkland and got lost, we really should follow posted directions sometimes but it was such a beautiful place we enjoyed the longer walk. Eventually we got back on track and after having
drinks,icecreams and paying a small amount for tickets walked to the church of St. George. I took a photo of this metal container near the entrance that had burning candles in it that seemed to form the shapes of people, if you check the pic out you can see priests and on the right what looks like images of people in hell to me.
From the outside the church of St. George/Karadjordje mausoleum looked pretty impressive, but the interior was amazing. This picture shows the area above the church door, it`s suppose to be depicting St. George slaying the dragon but the artist has placed King Petars head instead of that of St. George. Easy to imagine who the dragon represents when you know that King Petar lead a great rebellion against the Turks. The groundfloor level is the most beautifully "decorated" building I have seen to date, sadly I was advised that no photos were allowed and words fail me when trying to describe how I felt being in and looking around this church. I do recall that 15,000 different colours were used in the mosaics that covered the walls. A short walk downstairs revealed the royal family crypt, once again the walls were lined with colourful mosaics and a number of granite slabs with names and dates were laying in various niches. It was sad to note how many kids were buried there. The silence of the place was getting to Natasha and she broke it with yells every now and then,startling all inside.
We spent almost an hour looking around and then headed off a short distance to the museum. This is filled with personal objects belonging to King Peter Karadjordje. As there were no signs indicating no photos allowed here I snapped of a couple of quick ones before the caretaker walked in and
stopped me. This picture is of one of the gifts presented to King Peter by the Jeruselum museum and shows a depiction on the last supper in oyster shell, I thought it might be of interest to Da Vinci Code readers, if you have read that book check out the photo and you`ll know what I mean.
The whole area has been overrun by the Turks a number of times and the buildings either destroyed or gutted then rebuilt, sadly the man that donated funds and land to build the church was beheaded and his head presented to the ruling Sultan.
At the entrance to this reserve there was an art gallery/museum which was worth the time we spent visiting it on the way out.
By afternoon we were getting both tired and hungary so we decided to have lunch in Topola. We were slightly side-tracked by my desire to purchase my father a bottle of red wine from this region[since Roman times wine has been produced here, though the muslims didn`t allow that during the times they were occupying the area] and we stopped at a small vineyard to buy a bottle. I was given a great tour of the place and shown a small selection of their better wines to choose from.
Topola was a nice clean town with many parks but finding a traditional resturant took a long time. Many side-walk cafes and great number of shops along with the usual kiosks, parking was difficult but we did find a parking station that cost very little . The drive home was fast with few cars on the road and there was a great meal on the table for us when we walked in the door

Next......The trip home and the family member that rode for free.


Edited by damnsuicidalroos (Mon Oct 10 2005 03:29 AM)
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#278709 - Mon Oct 10 2005 03:16 AM Re: Off To Serbia
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Fascinating Roos, what a shame it's nearly over:(
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#278710 - Mon Oct 10 2005 03:37 AM Re: Off To Serbia
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Thanks very much Blinkybill but a new "adventure" awaits our family now. Three weeks after we returned Lily phoned me at work and told me that she was five weeks pregnant. That`s the family member that rode for free!
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#278711 - Mon Oct 10 2005 04:09 AM Re: Off To Serbia
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Awwww! Many congrats, Roos! Best of luck to all three ... ahhh ... FOUR of you! And hasn't Natasha grown - she's a cutie

Fascinating reading as usual.

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#278712 - Mon Oct 10 2005 04:12 AM Re: Off To Serbia
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Awww, Wow! Congratulations to you and Lily, it is a great adventure bringing a new life into the world.
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#278713 - Mon Oct 10 2005 04:29 AM Re: Off To Serbia
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roos! A new baby coming? That is better news than good. Congratulations you two (or three!) Miss Natasha might have a little problem with a newbie 'invading her turf' but it'll be good, I'm sure of it. A spring baby on the way! I can't wait to hear more.

"Lordy, lordy! Ain't it great to turn 40 ?"
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#278714 - Mon Oct 10 2005 06:00 AM Re: Off To Serbia
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Congratulations on your birthday and many happy returns, Roos!

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#278715 - Mon Oct 10 2005 06:26 AM Re: Off To Serbia
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What fantastic news, we will naturally be expecting photos when s/he arrives. Give Lily my very best wishes for a trouble-free pregnancy.
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#278716 - Tue Oct 11 2005 05:37 AM Re: Off To Serbia
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Thanks for the good luck wishes Copago, Natasha certainly has grown fast, she developed a lot while we were in Belgrade I think, like she was getting so much attention and taking so much in while we were there.
Thanks for the congratulations Blinkybill, we are hoping that it will be a more refined adventure with our second child, no more surprises or doubts about our abilities to care for a newborn this time around.
Thanks Dave, the way Natasha is pushing her toy stroller around we are hoping she might share some of the baby raising chores but the way everything she sees seems to "belong" to her we aren`t sure about her sharing toys!
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"Lordy, lordy! Ain't it great to turn 40 ?"


Lol, it`s great to have the knowledge acquired over 40 years of living but 40 is still 40 despite the current "in" line that "40 is the new 20"! If the baby is a boy I am seriously considering naming him David btw, my brothers name as well.
Thank you so much Bloomsby. It was a great birthday and as I always like to have a birthday in a different place Serbia was particularly apt.
Thanks for the wishes for a trouble free pregnancy Sue. There certainly shall be pictures of the new `roo, I`m thinking of filming the birth, I will be very selective of what I post here though.

The trip Home.

On our last day in Serbia I took off by myself for a few hours to visit Belgrade central and to keep busy and take my mind off the fact that we were leaving. While I was sight-seeing Lily was packing our bags [I had packed my clothes etc that morning] with as many items as she could. Her parents had given us cutlery,books,saucepans and various other weighty presents. We left in the afternoon and tears were flowing down the faces of the women, Lils father was crying as well as it might be the last time he sees Natasha and Ljiljana. We were given a lift to Belgrade airport by Lils older brother and her younger brother came along to help with the luggage and say goodbye, lucky he did. When we were checking in Lily handled everything, after the luggage was weighed she was informed by the man at the counter that we were 50 kilos overweight and that airlines charge ten dollars per kilo for extra weight but "if you come back later when there are fewer people around we can work out something". After she told us about that I was both annoyed and a little unhappy, I gave her a fifty in U.S. currency and told her to just hand it to him and hope for the best. Fortunetly the younger brother was a little more agressive and he simply went up to the counter and asked in a loud voice "so is our luggage o.k and where are our boarding passes", the gentleman handed over our passes pretty fast after that.
The flight to Kuwait was uneventful and we landed in Dubai for another short stopover. Boarding the next plane to Sydney via Bangkok was a little interesting as I was not given back my passport and asked, well told, to sit down in the transit lounge and wait for an official. I did so without any argument and five minutes later was informed that I didn`t appear to look much like the picture in my passport but after further study they had decided that it was me.
We didn`t get a bassinet this time around [but did get bulkhead seats again] as the stewardess thought that Natasha was too heavy for it, I was getting pretty tired by that stage and simply commented that she wasn`t too heavy three weeks ago but yea ok whatever. The stopover in Bangkok was only about an hour and as we didn`t get off the plane had a chance to see the cleaners in action, talk about fast and efficient, they were like little army ants charging through. I read most of the time aboard the planes and also had a small lcd screen that folded into the armrest on the Emirates Airbus and had the choice of about 500 different channels to watch or listen too, movies,music speaking books etc.
Landing in Australia was a relief after 30 or so hours of sleepless travel and after doing some more duty free shopping we were processed fast and on our way back home in a large taxi van.

The holiday was over but the memory of it will stay with us for the rest of our lives. I ended up taking a little over 450 pictures [and a few minutes of digital video] and will finally get around to getting some of them printed on a4 sized paper and framed soon.
I hope that the majority of people reading this have enjoyed it and maybe learnt a little about Serbia that they didn`t know. Thanks Funtrivia.com for allowing me to share our holiday with the world.

I`ve included below links to photos that I couldn`t find a place for in any of my other posts.


Old woman in park near Ethnographic museum
Natasha in same park.
Lil and Natasha.
Milosevic and McDonalds
Interesting sign.
Natasha simply having fun.


Edited by damnsuicidalroos (Tue Oct 11 2005 05:41 AM)
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#278717 - Tue Oct 11 2005 06:11 AM Re: Off To Serbia
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What wonderful news - congratulations to you both.

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we are hoping that it will be a more refined adventure with our second child, no more surprises or doubts about our abilities to care for a newborn this time around.




My mother always used to say that you should have your second child first!
It's true that you feel much more competent about your ability to cope!

It's good to see you're home safe and sound. Thank you for sharing your trip with us - it's someplace that I'm sure I'll never have a chance to see any other way.
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#278718 - Tue Oct 11 2005 06:36 AM Re: Off To Serbia
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I think in future we will have to insist on members posting their holiday memories for us to enjoy, this trip has been really interesting. Thank you so much for posting it, and the photos - all great stuff.
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#278719 - Wed Oct 12 2005 01:06 AM Re: Off To Serbia
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Thanks Roos, I thoroughly enjoyed your holiday.
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