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#287174 - Tue Dec 06 2005 12:32 PM David Cameron for next UK PM?
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David Cameron has won the Conserative leadership battle.

Will it be a case of 'move over Tony'?

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#287175 - Tue Dec 06 2005 12:42 PM Re: David Cameron for next UK PM?
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I don't know that much about his policies, but I suspect, as Ben Elton put it so well, the leadership of this country has become one of style over content.
I mean, if Ann Widdicombe had had identical policies, does anyone think she'd have made it? I'm of neither persuasion so see both sides from the outside, but if the Tories are going to fight an election I'd rather they used policies I recognised than each trying to pinch the most popular policies from the other, often apparently whether they believe in them or not. Pure cynicism. I liked William Hague... but again, all about what's on the surface nowadays.
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#287176 - Tue Dec 06 2005 12:50 PM Re: David Cameron for next UK PM?
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I liked William too, especially when he presented 'Have I Got News For You', showed that he wasn't a pompus stuffed shirt.
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#287177 - Tue Dec 06 2005 06:42 PM Re: David Cameron for next UK PM?
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I don't know that much about his policies, but I suspect, as Ben Elton put it so well, the leadership of this country has become one of style over content.




This reminds me of a movie I was lucky enough to catch late one night on TV, Privilege. At least partly because I was about 18 when I saw it, some of the messages in it really hit me between the eyes. This review by Roger Ebert was the only one I could find which even vaguely hints at what I thought was one of the central themes. That is, in this Britain of the "near future" (as seen from 1967), the Party Political system has been abandoned completely in favour of a coalition Government based on cynical and manipulative control of "the people". The movie is, as many reviewers have commented, highly unsubtle, and a little hysterical in its presentation of the new Fascism, and I've always wanted to see it again to see what I make of it as an "adult". Certainly worth seeing if it ever pops up.

Guru I can't say that I am a Party animal, but I wish I could feel more aligned to either side in a way that isn't just as a negative reaction to the other. That is, I find much of what the current Government stands for abhorant in the extreme, but I don't find anything especially attractive in the Opposition either. I gather the situation is even more confused in British politics, with "Poodle" Blair jumping on the Bush bandwagon, while still trying to retain some meaning in "New Labour", and struggling with the Socialist hangover of "Old Labour". And of course I don't need to moan about the "Republicanisation" of the Democrats in the US, as Michael Moore does enough of that for all of us!

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#287178 - Tue Dec 06 2005 11:04 PM Re: David Cameron for next UK PM?
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I agree that style - and image -matter as much, if not more than anything else. I wish they didn't, but accept it as an unfortunate fact in modern day politics.
As regards David Cameron, I reckon the Conservatives have yet again chosen the wrong person to lead the party, and they'll be thrashed at the next general election, especially if Gordon Brown is then leading the Labour Party.
David Cameron may prove to be extremely competent and articulate, but I doubt if the majority of the British public will want an 'Old Etonian' in charge of the country. This may have been the norm years ago, but things have changed, and the Conservatives should recognise it. One of Margaret Thatcher's strengths was that she was a grocer's daughter, and even John Major took the party to electoral victory by emphasising his working class background.

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#287179 - Wed Dec 07 2005 02:53 AM Re: David Cameron for next UK PM?
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I liked William Hague... but again, all about what's on the surface nowadays.



That seems true. It appears to me that success at elections hinges on whether the party leaders have got nice hair or not. Think the about successful and unsuccessful leaders in modern politics. We'll see if this theory holds good at the next General Election.
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#287180 - Wed Dec 07 2005 04:24 AM Re: David Cameron for next UK PM?
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The strange thing is that we know almost nothing about Cameron or his policies beyond the fact that he has very little experience of politics, except as a back-room boy.

It is true that he would be the first Old Etonian PM since Alec Douglas-Home, but does a person's school still bother people that much? After all, British politics are mainly about image and 'presentation'. The main thing is that he mustn't get an Old Etonian image. N'doubt his years as a public relations man will stand him in good stead.

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#287181 - Wed Dec 07 2005 04:29 AM Re: David Cameron for next UK PM?
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I'd vote for Boris!
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#287182 - Wed Dec 07 2005 04:55 AM Re: David Cameron for next UK PM?
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Oh Boris ... Well, I hope you don't mean Ole Yeltsin.

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#287183 - Wed Dec 07 2005 05:02 AM Re: David Cameron for next UK PM?
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Definitely not, I mean THE Boris, Old Etonian and sporting floppy white/blond hair of course. A complete nut, but lovable.

For those outside the UK who might be wondering who he is - here is his home page


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#287184 - Wed Dec 07 2005 05:19 AM Re: David Cameron for next UK PM?
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The photo of Boris with that wild and woolly look is so funny.

The mind boggles at people outside the UK getting the two Borises mixed up. Again a horrible

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#287185 - Wed Dec 07 2005 02:23 PM Re: David Cameron for next UK PM?
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It appears to me that success at elections hinges on whether the party leaders have got nice hair or not. We'll see if this theory holds good at the next General Election.



Baldness is undoubtedly a big 'turn-off' for many voters, and the Conservatives were told so on a number of occasions, but still naively replaced the bald William Hague with the equally bald A.D.S. If they'd had the sense to select Michael Portillo instead, the Party would not IMHO have suffered such a debacle of a defeat at the General election which followed. Portillo with his flowing locks and charismatic personality would have commanded an enormous number of votes, but his lifestyle didn't appeal to the old fuddy-duddys of the Party who still prefer old men, bald men, or Etonians.
One day they'll learn - maybe!

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#287186 - Wed Dec 07 2005 04:00 PM Re: David Cameron for next UK PM?
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I imagine Rupert Murdoch will have the final say on who wins the next General Election, anyway.

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#287187 - Wed Dec 07 2005 04:21 PM Re: David Cameron for next UK PM?
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The photo of Boris with that wild and woolly look is so funny.



He is funny. He has me in stitches when he appears in Have I got news for you (a humorous quiz on news items).

I like this man. With all that hair, I'd have thought he would have been in with a chance for the party leadership.
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#287188 - Wed Dec 07 2005 05:09 PM Re: David Cameron for next UK PM?
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Maybe, in view of her winning 'I'm a Celebrity, get me out of here', they should bring in Maggie Thatcher's daughter 'Carol' to lead the party. Obviously she's presently the most popular person in Britain - Carol that is, not Maggie!

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#287189 - Wed Dec 07 2005 06:12 PM Re: David Cameron for next UK PM?
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Baldness is undoubtedly a big 'turn-off' for many voters,




Many, perhaps, but I'm not sure the message has filtered through to us antipodeans. I know this thread is about UK politics, but I just had to share these pics of our John. (Hint: he's our Prime Minister )

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#287190 - Wed Dec 07 2005 06:39 PM Re: David Cameron for next UK PM?
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I'm told a few women find baldness sexy!

The Victorians had their very own, very silly idea about the cause of baldness and, what's worse, I'm told that a few people still believe that particular story!

PS. I wonder how long it will be till the guy gets a hair transplant (amid much media publicity, no doubt).

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#287191 - Thu Dec 08 2005 07:17 AM Re: David Cameron for next UK PM?
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Baldness in men will now be discussed over in The Lounge, a whole new thread!
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#287192 - Thu Dec 08 2005 09:10 AM Re: David Cameron for next UK PM?
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LOL, Sue!

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