This thread is to discuss our theories and spoilers. I know a lot of us "Lost" fans want to theorize about the show and talk about upcoming episodes.

When posting a spoiler, PLEASE provide your source (i.e., link, magazine, etc.).



The Lost! Season 2 thread is to discuss the weekly episodes (and which does not allow spoilers).

There is an episode coming up, entitled "Admissions", which is to air on February 1, 2006, and in the episode Ana-Lucia finds an underwater hatch. Source

This would explain the Dharma shark, and the fact that the three times Walt has been seen he's been wet.

Hey, any Stephen King fans here?
In the episode DakotaNorth references, it says this under Guest Stars:

" Richard Bachman (Officer King)"

HMMM...! Is this perhaps an appearance by Mr. King? He is a fan of the show, and does the occasional acting gig...

I've wondered that myself. It would be so cool if Stephen King, the Master of Horror and Mysteries, had a role in "Lost".

any of you know any good lost spoiler websites where i can catch up on season 2(as it isn't on here yet),one with alot of detail in it. thanks

Televisionwithoutpity.com is really good. It has an extremely detailed archive of all the episodes aired so far. If a new episode has just aired, they'll have a one page "recaplet" that sums up the entire episode. Wait a few days, and then a more detailed recap will be posted. (Usually more than 10 pages per ep.) FYI: They have other shows as well if you're interested. And forums!

This makes me wonder if perhaps the Security System is Joop The Orangutan; especially since Orangutans can be very territorial and nasty.

Now mind you, I'm not saying Joop made the mechanical sounds when Locke was being dragged through the jungle in the season finale; I think that was made by some kind of boobytrap.

What do you all think?

Check this out:

http://www.lostlinks.net/images/copenhagen.jpg

Notice the Dharma drawing on the wall, with the post-it that says "Not her child" above the initials CL.

Hmmm...I wonder if the Others made a gaff and took the wrong boy...maybe they were supposed to take little Aaron and not Walt...

There's also a memo next tot he Dharma drawing that says somehthing about "monsters/changelings". Anyone have any ideas on this?

I wish I was up to where you are, DK, to join in properly but one theory I read and never really looked into further was that none of the main survivours that we know well bought their own ticket - have you looked into that one or was it shot down in flames?

And so you have to have watched the Darhma Inititive (is that right?) to understand it all?

I don't know about having to watch the Dharma Initiative to understand it all; I've watched the Dharma Initiative and I still don't understand it all...nothing is as it seems.

I haven't heard of that theory, but it seems to me that the theory may have some basis:

Sayid was given a ticket from the Australian government.
Saywer was being deported and his given to him by the Australian government.
Kate was a wanted criminal and her ticket was purchased by the Australian government.
Michael and Walt's tickets were purchased by Walt's adopted father.
Claire's ticket was given to her by the pshycic.
Locke got on the plane because he was not allowed to go on the Walkabout, and he was given a new ticket to get home.

I don't know about Sun and Jin; Hurley; Shannon and Boone; Charlie; Libby; Ana-Lucia; Rose and Bernard. I don't know if they're tickets were purchased for them or not.

>>> "Australian government" ... please don't think we were trying to get rid of you all ...

Boone bought Shannons and didn't his Mum send him off to find her?

I have seen this discussed.
Not everyone had their tickets purchased for them--Hurley and Jack, and probably Charlie, bought their own.
Jin and Sun were traveling because Jin was delivering the watch, so probably theirs were bought. But we don't know for sure.
We haven't seen backstory on ROse and Bernard, so we don't know about them yet. I can't remember if we found out anout Ana-Lucia--do we know why she was on the flight, I forget?

However...
none of those passengers (with one major exception-Hurley) actually WANTED to be on that flight. The ones whose tickets were bought for them are fairly obvious. Sun did not want to be doing that errand, but was doing it in order to stop working for Sun's father. Sun originally intended to ditch Jin at the airport. Charlie took an earlier flight because his brother rejected him. Jack, although he fought to get on that flight, needed to do so to be with his father's body--not something he really wanted.
Hurley's really the odd one out here, but that fits with his character. He fought like heck to get on that plane. He is very different than all the other passengers. Everyone else there has something to atone for, actually (we haven't got Locke's full story yet, but there is some major thing yet unspoken there). But Hurley hasn't done anything wrong. Unless the numbers really ARE cursed, like he thinks. In my opinion, there is much more to HUrley than meets the eye, whether he knows it or not. He seems to be central to the mystery in some way, along with Locke. And maybe Jack.

Here's a spoiler:

The Bearded Man from "Exodus Part II" is MC Gainey, and MC Gainey is also playing the part of "Mr. Friendly" in this week's episode "The Hunting Party".

Here's a link (with photo) of MC Gainey. You can see it's the bearded man from the Season finale.

Something tells me that Mr. Friendly won't be so friendly.

I'm just gonna put this here because I'm not sure if it's considered a spoiler or not but: Lost just won the Golden Globe for TV Series -Drama!!! Yay! *throws confetti* Congratulations, guys!!

Check out this.

I wonder what it is? Could it be the black smoke coming to survey the crash? Or could it be some kind of attack by the Others, in an attempt to kill most of the survivors?

My family has a couple of theorys on "Lost" - some more serious than others.

One is that they have all died and are in Limbo/Purgatory working off their sins/being judged and the ones who die are going to their eternal fate, be it good or bad.

Another is that they are all trapped in the "Bermuda Triangle" (did I spell that right?).

One of my personal theories (that is in no way serious) is that the "monster" is actually a yellow canary (think Tweety) that is about the size of a T-Rex. CHIRP! You *really* don't want to know the twisted logic behind this (there is some, I promise - it's just not very good). :-P

I think the creators have already promised that the are very much alive and it's not pergatory or a dream.

I just hope it's going somewhere and isn't an long ongoing show with them coming up with even more crazy ideas. Don't get me wrong, I love the show (and hate it at the same time LOL) I just hope they don't keep it going because it's popular and lose the chance to go out on a high.

The creators and writers of "LOST" are so very creative that I doubt they will end the show so soon.

The creators of NBC's "Surface" made the very fatal mistake of revealing all much too soon and it is now in doubt if the show will be back next season.

With "LOST", the possiblities are endless! There are so many different ways that the show can go. After all, the writers and creators of "LOST" also did ABC's the X-Files which lasted several seasons...they are excellent in what they do and therefore anything and everything they touch turn to gold.

So on that alone, I think we can expect lots of good stuff from the show and its creators and writers.

I seriously think that "LOST" is similar to the Island of Dr. Moreau, only much more detailed.

Have to admit that I did not watch the first season, but did watch the season repeats in the summer and watched Season 1's DVD...and I am hooked.


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Agnes (JTJ)

My DH is a non-viewer but I think I have captured his interest by playing the first season on DVD, now he asks me questions in a "just wondering..." way that tells me he wants to know more. I delight in sharing all the minutiae as it just goes on and on - and with the latest show he recognized one of the secondary characters who only appeared in one other episode. I am convinced that he is a closet fan! He has commented that he hopes that this show doesn't suffer the same trouble Twin Peaks had, where that writers didn't seem to be able to tie all of the storylines together. I hope it's not a St. Elsewhere deal...

I just read a very good theory and I thought I should share it:

"Dharma Incorporated" was doing tests with lots of things on this island some 15-25 years ago. As indicated in the series, the company had at least 3 labs in the island and they were experimenting with geology, biology etc., etc. Hence the polar bear in the island. They had moved a number of animals from other places to the island and were experimenting with them.

In their biology lab, at some point, they created a new virus that they couldn't contain. Some of their staff got infected (hence the "incident" that is mentioned in the roll of film) and each of the 3 station labs got quarantined.

In the meantime the U.S. Army decides to do something about that incident. Back in US they probably closed down the company (that's why no replacements were ever sent back to the island) and a team of highly trained commandos are sent to the island to kill the remaining human carriers (ex-Dharma employees) in a classified mission. But there's a catch. These commandos were left on the island on purpose by their fellow army men in the nearby battleship. The battleship leaves, the commandos are left in, because US can't guarantee that none of them is actually infected. In the best-case scenario they have killed all carriers and they stayed healthy. But they can't risk that, so they are abandoned in the island. These commandos are 'The Others'. This is why one of them had a US Army knife (found by Anna-Lucia) and why no one can't hear them in the jungle: they are highly trained in these conditions.

The Others are controlling one of the 3 labs on the island (there are at least 3 labs, the other two is the abandoned one Anna-Lucia and her party found, and the other one is the one our heroes currently control). This is why Walt was able to send a message with a compatible computer to the other lab: because the Others are controlling one of these labs, labs that are inter-connected. Additionally, the Others have seized most of Dharma's property, including the small boat that was used to kidnap Walt (this ship can not go to open sea, but it was used in the nearby sea for Dharma experiments with fish). Besides, the Others don't want to leave the island necessarily...

The Others have inoculated themselves with whatever the Dharma scientists were able to create before the spreading of the virus. The same kind of thing Desmond was inoculating himself with. And this is why they were selective as to which people to abduct, mostly children. They wanted to save them (very rarely we see them actually kill survivors). Remember Claire's dream: a man was piercing her pregnant belly with something. Ethan was simply trying to inoculate the baby. And he probably got succeeded before Claire got away.

As to why Ethan or Goodwin killed or tried to kill people, well, don't forget that Charlie was giving Ethan a hard time, and because these are soldiers. Killing is part of what they do to accomplish their task.

Even if their fellow army men left the Others behind, they still have a mission: secure the island. And anyone who knows commandos well, they know that they stay to themselves. They don't add new members easily. This is why they have been secretive and they don't embrace and help the survivors. Besides, they don't want to reveal the truth because their mission was classified and must stay that way.

As for Rousseau, we don't know her story well. She says that she (or her husband) is a French scientist. But don't forget that in that exact region of the world France is/was doing nuclear tests. She could very well be a nuclear scientist working for the French army or a French spy (don't forget that the SOS was only in French, while she can speak English just fine). Maybe the Others suspected that, that's why they never trusted her or embraced her. That could put their mission into an international risk.

The reason why Rousseau's radio SOS message was never received by nearby ships, is probably because the US Army has quarantined the whole zone after the virus incident telling everybody to stay away from that "nuclear-active" zone (supposedly nuclear), and so ships and airlines just stay away.

Regarding the hallucinations people see, this is absolutely normal on places with high magnetism and radioactivity like this island has (mentioned a lot of times in the series). You can Google it if you want; it is a well-known fact that high levels of magnetism can cause mass-hallucinations.

As for the "Execute Button" on the computer, I don't know what happens if you don't press the button. But something tells me we will find out soon. Maybe it simply just shuts off the "security mechanism" that protects the island from intruders (that's the 'black smoke monster', which is just a security mechanism created by Dharma, there is nothing supernatural about it).

Alternatively, the computer function they execute is the one that maintains a containment field around the biological containers, but that doesn't mean that there's anything dangerous left there. The containers were sealed in from all sides with concrete, and there's an active magnetic containment there as well. Having that biological container around the island, it means that the virus cannot escape to the rest of the world. Hence, they "save the world" each time they enter these numbers to the computer.


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And my prediction for the Lost series finale:
The Others are embracing and join the survivors, Jack tries to find an antidote (at the old Dharma biology lab), he fails, they inoculate the rest of the survivors just in case, and they decide to STAY in the island and never leave or contact the outside world (to make sure that the virus will never spread). Fast forward a few years in the future: you see a village made of bamboo near the shore, many people fishing or hunting around, some children chasing hens around the bamboo houses...Everyone's has a smile in his or her face, they are happy; they have found their utopia. The camera is zooming on Jack; his son is running in his hug. And suddenly, a "brrrzzzvoooom" is heard in the sky. Jack looks up and he sees an airplane at low altitude with engine problems and lots of smoke. A crash is heard. Camera pans back to Jack's face.
THE END
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This theory is one of the better ones that I've read and even better than my own!

Very interesting and could possibly be correct!!

Just read this on another forum, and I thought I would share with you season 2 peeps...Some of it makes a lot of sense...However, I think people are starting to put their theories in a different format now...They always start with, "I have an insider who told me"...It just gives the theory an extra edge.....Take them all with a pinch-of-salt...

Anyway, here it is.....
I work for a news website, one like AICN, except it is *NOT* AICN (sorry, can't tell its
name)

Anyways, got some real interesting info from a guy who claims to be a "hacker". For the record: he's provided us with legit scoops before.

Here's the interview:

(again, take it with a spoon full of salt. Can't be sure about any of this - all I can say
is that the mole himself is legit)



LOST COMPLETELY SPOILED

Q: Okay, so... What is Lost all about?
A: Forget all the nanorobots, telekinesis, multi-dimension crap. It is: King James' Bible, meets The Matrix, meets The Village, meets Survivor, meets Saw, meets Lord of the Flies, meets The Suspects, meets 2001... But there's NOTHING supernatural about it.

Q: Who are the "Others"?
A: Other generations of people who were taken to the island, exactly like the castaways we know. Except that they spent so much time in that crazy place under weird circunstances that they went berzerk. Remember the movie "The Others?" The twist at the end is [SPOILERS AHEAD] that Nicole's party, in fact, are the ghosts. The Others seem to have powers, but our castaways, the Losties are also the other's "Others" in a sense. Remember the Black Rock? Its passengers were not on board voluntarily. Dharma sent them there as castaways. They have done that many times throughout history.

Q: What are the computer thing, the shark with the logo ,the polar bears, jack's dad
and...?
A: Nothing important. All of those are just puzzles that are put in the show as red
herrings, only to take our attention away from the "The Village-esque" move they will pull o in the end.

Q: How did the castaways end up in the Island?
A: They were sent there.

Q: What do you mean?
A: Remember that the hotel owned by Sun's father was called The Swan and had a very similar logo as The Dharma Initiative? EVERBODY who is in that island had someone (friend, relative, love, friend, etc) who was part of a secret society known as Dharma. Sun's father, Hurley's best friend, Boone and Shannon's father, etc, etc.

Q: But why did these people send them to the Island?
A: They didn't know the accident was going to happen. They were all trying to help the
castaways. For instance: Charlie's band was trying to get him off his addiction, the
psychic was trying to give Claire a new life, and so on.

Q: I'm not sure I got it. Why...?
A: They were all members of this secret society know as Dharma. In Budhism, Dharma is something like the opposite of Karma... Some kind of "mental heaven" or paradise to the soul. Ssorry, don't know much about that. Anyways, it's something good that people "earn" when they get rid of their sins. The castaway's helpers were trying to make them reach this condition. By sending them to a place where they could overcome the obstacles in their lives. Something like... The Game, the movie that damonl@abc.com loved to mention, hahahahaha

Q: But... Didn't they think about the accident? The castaways could have died!
A: They didn't know nothing about that. And they didn't know the world was going to end either. All they ever knew is that their loved ones would get some help to become better people, by the Dharma religion, Dharma organization.

Q: WHAT!?
A: You see, they thought they were sending their loved ones to some sort of "spiritual
summer camp". Truth is, they were sending them to a place that was more than that. A place that meant to survive after the world ended... Through the hands of the most important guy, the spiritual leader of this new Masonry, which is the Dharma foundation. JOHN LOCKE. They think they are the survivors of a plane crash but on reality they are survivors of the end of the world.

Q: WHAT!?!?
A: John Locke believes that the island has all brought them there, every one of them for a reason. Actualy... He doesn't believe that, he knows that. Like I said, Locke is the most important man in the secret society, alright? One day he got very dissatisfied with the state of things in the world, and decided to gather a bunch of people who, in his opinion, would be the perfect basis for the "new world" he was planning to build. "Jack would be the doctor, he would be the hunter." heheh. (pause) Locke is this non-fundamentalist terrorist who brought civilization as we know it, to an end. How? I have no idea. I guess that's not been decided yet. Probably will be something like the third world war, or a nuclear war between the US and some country, can't tell. The thing is: Locke did it, hehe.

Q: But why?
A: So he could re-start civilization. So he could make things perfect again, like they
were in the ancient ages that Dharma got its inspiration from, don't know for sure.
Anyway, in order to do that, he needed people who would be perfect for that job. I mean, a drug addict who would preach against drugs... A bank robber who would say love is the most important thing... A millionaire who only cared about his friends... The player who got played.... A doctor who believed in miracles, instead of a "technician of medicine" like we have these days. For this new Earth he needed people who felt guilty like him... And didn't want to feel guilty no more. Folks who wanted a fresh start, who wanted to make the wrong right. Exactly like him. Sawyer's book was a hint.... The lord of the flies thing was another one... Also... Desmond's shock when that character is first introduced. He asks Jack: "Is the world still there?", right?

Q: Whoa!
A: C'mon, all the clues are there... The monster is coming, yet Locke keeps Boone tied, tells him "You can cut yourself free and make your way back to camp... With the proper motivation". Charlie begs him to throw the drugs away, but he says: "that would take away his choice, the only thing that separates us from the animals." He shows Charlie a cocoon, where this I-don't-know struggles. Explains that he could help it out, but it would be too weak to survive.... The struggle is nature's way of strengthening it and all that stuff... That's EXACTLY what Locke thinks.... About the losties and this new civilizations he's trying to build. The island will give them a great deal…if they're are willing to give it something in return... heheh...

Q: So the island is...
A: Some kind of Noah's Ark, part 2. Religion mixed with misticism, mitology and terrorism. It's all a man's attempt at recreating civilization. But this time, doing everything right.

Q: So he knew that the castaways would survive the crash?
A: No, he didn't. I mean, those who died would be as valuable to his new world as the ones who ended up living. I mean, of course the castaways were chosen to be on the island. But in a sense, the island also played its part. The island, in fact, was the one that did select those who lived and those who died among all the "potentials".

Q: Oh, and why do all children vanish, are taken away?
A: Because the new world can only be founded by the "right" people. The potentials, the chosen ones. Again: a drug addict who would preach against drugs... A bank robber who would say love is the most important thing... A doctor who believed in miracles... Those who wouldn't be hell-bent on making "the new civilization" be a true Dharma, I mean, this heaven on Earth, couldn't be a part of it.

Q: What do the numbers mean?
A: There are 108 obstacles between men and perfection. 108 are the doors that lead to Heaven, according to this Bodysatva fella or something like that... Have no idea who he is, I'm just trying to recall what I read in the... Anyway... The 4, 8, 15, 16, 23, and 42 are no more than the numbers who brought Hurley his money. Except that Locke has spreaded them, in various forms, at the island, so he could use them as devices... to... that would make the Losties, and the audience, his puppets. The whole issue.... The reseting of the computer is an example of that. Throught the hourly reset, John can fool the castaways into believing that there's "something" out there, in the island... He can fool them into thinking that their lives have some greater meaning or something. Remember the line "You make your on luck, Mr. whatever, you're looking for an excuse that doesn't exist."...? However... The number 108 also representes all of existence, in ancient religions... Or ancient mathematics, I'm not sure right now. And that's what John's trying to do. Re-create existence.

Q: Will there be questions without answers?
A: Yep. For instance, remember when Charlie looks up to see his guitar, hanging in a tree, in the exact moment this would shock the audience the most? There are a huge number of coincidences in the show that won't be explained. They are there to cluck up with our minds.

Q: What is the Monster?
A: Okay, you gotta stop with these "what is this, what is that" questions. The monster, the institutional video... All of those are red herrings. Practical jokes of Locke, in a sense. Because... You know, in order to build his perfect society, he needs some sort of "Satan"... Some sort of undefeatable enemy... Which is the monster. He needs enemies... I'm talking about the "Others" here. He needs a God that will require faith and prayers... The computer that needs hourly prayers, that come through the form of the hourly and pointless reset. He needs quests, that will bring a sense of danger and... a sense of purpose to the losties... But in the end, all of them are mere tools to keep the losties busy, active, faithful, organized, thinking.... Anyway, the point is... To get the audience thinking that... when the castaways ask themselves "why are we here on the island?' that would really represent mankind... We asking ourselves ' why are we on this earth?'