#295322 - Sun Feb 05 2006 01:56 AM
Danish Cartoons
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After a Danish newspaper printed cartoons featuring the Prophet Muhammad, followed by ther newspapers, there have been many protests and a huge backlash fomr Muslim groups. The Denmark and Norway embassies have been attacked in Syria in one incident.
BBC story
'Over reaction' comes to mind.
Edited by Copago (Sun Feb 05 2006 01:58 AM)
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#295323 - Sun Feb 05 2006 03:41 AM
Re: Danish Cartoons
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"Massacre those who insult Islam", "Europe, your 9/11 will come" and - in an apparent reference to the four July 7 suicide bombers - "Europe you will pay, fantastic 4 are on their way".
From here.
I found the following quote from U.S. State Department spokesman Kurtis Cooper to be amazing. Quote:
"We ... respect freedom of the press and expression but it must be coupled with press responsibility. Inciting religious or ethnic hatreds in this manner is not acceptable,"
A comment like that coming from "the land of the free"? I think he`s refering to a type of "Claytons censorship", perhaps it`s a way to get around the First Amendment. So are Americans only allowed to tell jokes that everyone on earth would laugh at now?
I would encourage any muslim to not look here! You might be tempted to blow something up. 
Really it could be worse, I didn`t see any pictures of 8 year old A’isha there.
I of course do realise that there are a number of muslims that are not as crazy as the rest, had a couple stay with us recently and not once did they blow anything up.
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#295324 - Sun Feb 05 2006 04:28 AM
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The worrying part of all this was how quickly the Muslim extremists exhibited the kind of bahviour that was being parodied in the cartoons. Their prophet depicted as a bomb toting terrorist means that they immediately want to bomb Denmark? Let's face it, they're playing right into the hands of the cynical cartoonist.
Did anyone see the coverage from Indonesia? A hoard of people stormed the Danish embassy and were met with someone who immediately apologised. Then they stormed out, and stormed nextdoor to the Norwegian embassy. It didn't look real, it was like some messed up stage show...
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#295325 - Sun Feb 05 2006 08:27 AM
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Just as a matter of interest I searched in Google for 'cartoons God / Christ' and there was no shortage of links including this one.
If the site is to believed then over 500 Christian publications use their cartoons.
Here is another. It appears that the Christians can laugh at cartoons about Jesus.
Edited by sue943 (Sun Feb 05 2006 08:35 AM)
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#295326 - Sun Feb 05 2006 08:35 AM
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I find it ironic that Islamic newspapers frequently have anti-Semitic cartoons and newspaper articles, and have no problem with that. There was recently an article in Egypt about how the Jews bake children's blood into there matzos. Yet these same Muslims make an outcry when anti-Islamic cartoons are printed. Seems a little hypocritical to me. And just for fun, here's a picture from a London protest. web page
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#295327 - Sun Feb 05 2006 08:53 AM
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I've been paying quite a bit of attention to this, CBC radio has gone into the whole thing in quite a bit of depth. I can see why Muslims would find the cartoons extrememly offensive - in addition to everything else, they have a strong prohibition against depicting Allah or the Prophet in any graphic image.
I personally think that letters to editors and boycotts are perfectly reasonable ways of objecting to this sort of thing - this is how women and blacks, here in North America, changed the way they were portrayed in the media. All this other stuff is, of course, extremists happily seizing on any excuse to rouse the populace. Why are we surprised? We have, in many Muslim countries, a poorly educated population living under what amounts to a theocracy - there is nothing easier to stir up into mob violence.
I do fail to see how being deliberately provocative, and going out of their way to be offensive, constitutes responsible use of the freedom of the press, but I guess that's just me. Maybe it's because, working at the daycare, I see so much of this.
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#295328 - Sun Feb 05 2006 09:46 AM
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They're at it in Lebanon now.
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#295329 - Sun Feb 05 2006 09:59 AM
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It the cartoons were published in September why didn't they burn the embassy then, why wait four months?
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#295332 - Sun Feb 05 2006 11:59 AM
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It the cartoons were published in September why didn't they burn the embassy then, why wait four months?
It's been festering since then - but it wasn't until last week when a French newspaper (which I've heard described as a tabloid) re-printed the cartoons with the headline "Yes, we have the right [to publish the cartoons]" that it really has come to a head and turned from being anti-Danish to being anti-EU/Europe.
agree its been festering since september but I think it became worse when a norwegian christian magazine published the pictures in januray and then the other newspapers followed, some only to show what it was all about and why many muslims were behaving/is behaving the way they do now. Thats probably why only the danish and norwegian embassies in damaskus has been burnt down.
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#295333 - Sun Feb 05 2006 12:55 PM
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All I know is that I'm glad that I'm not in the Middle East right now (except for Israel of course).
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#295335 - Sun Feb 05 2006 05:50 PM
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Sue is right on this one. Millions of people make fun of Christianity [ my particular brand of religion] using all sorts of venues. Well - so what else is new? Being made fun of doesn't make me feel like hunting down and murdering the the people responsible though!
Hard to imagine somebody's faith being that fragile.
Hmmm. That is, assuming this is actually a matter of faith and not just a vehicle for their particular extremist agenda - which seems to be annihilation of everybody who isn't muslim. Most reasonable people of faith have learned to ignore ridicule from unbelievers and go on with their lives.
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#295337 - Sun Feb 05 2006 06:49 PM
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I've seen some pretty vicious anti - Christianity cartoons, parodies and movies over the years - from television to print. The ones I refer to are not made by anyone who even remotely respects Christianity.
However.
I still have no desire to track these people down and string them up. I've got better things to do.
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#295340 - Sun Feb 05 2006 09:05 PM
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#295342 - Sun Feb 05 2006 09:51 PM
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In London, a few Islamic demonstrators have been howling for the beheading of anyone who 'insults Islam' and some are reprorted to have praised the underground and bus bombers of last July. I don't accept that such demonstrators' "sensibilities", whether religious or political, deserve one scrap of respect.
No, they don't, John, but it's scary that there are people who do think that way.
Perhaps this is it to the extreme but aren't people so sensitive these days? Things that would have been shrugged off a few years ago, globally and down to the individual, suddenly get turned into major dramas. There was a story here just this last weekend with man A insulting man B's girlfriend ... man B takes exception and gives some back, man A comes back and stabs man B and four others. Sheesh.
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#295343 - Sun Feb 05 2006 10:39 PM
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Copago forgive me but I totally disagree with your statement "Things that would have been shrugged off a few years ago, globally and down to the individual, suddenly get turned into major dramas." For hundreds of years the Muslim world has been sensative about it`s own inadequacies and killing anyone they could who has expressed a belief that they and their founder might be wrong.
"There was a story here just this last weekend with man A insulting man B's girlfriend ... man B takes exception and gives some back, man A comes back and stabs man B and four others. Sheesh." I read the same story and found out, as expected when knives are involved, that the people involved come from a Muslim background.
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#295344 - Sun Feb 05 2006 11:03 PM
Re: Danish Cartoons
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As I said, the reaction to the comics is extreme but I wasn't talking about muslims in either statement - just generally everyone seems to get their knickers in a knot much easier.
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#295345 - Mon Feb 06 2006 12:43 AM
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This whole situation makes me wonder how these smaller European nations are taking the hatred against their countries. I would think that many Islamic fundamentalists had never burned the Danish or Norweigian flags before this event. The Europeans are probably feeling revulsion or perhaps maybe even anger. It just goes to show that American and Israeli flags aren't going to be the only ones burning in the cities of the Middle East.
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