#308124 - Fri Aug 11 2006 06:06 PM
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To be honest, the only bit you need to know about is London
Yes, thats partly true. However, you need to go West for the Pasties.
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#308127 - Sat Aug 12 2006 12:30 AM
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The Cornish Pasty (pronounced with a long 'a') bears no relation to Jamaican meat patties or any other pattie. This is the best site I know for explaining what they are, what they should NOT contain and how to make them properly. Pasties Sorry but I have not tasted a real one outside Cornwall, except when made by a Cornish person. As it says, there are many imitations and many myths (the putting of apple filling in one end for dessert being one such piece of foreign claptrap). BUT There are specific ingredients (carrots is not one), there is a specific shape, and yes, they were created for the tin miner or China clay worker to carry in a cloth for his lunch. This is a subject dear to my heart. This is my native dish and made properly , it is heavenly. Mass-made in some fast-food joint in London it is garbage.
Edited by ren33 (Sat Aug 12 2006 12:33 AM)
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#308128 - Sat Aug 12 2006 02:13 AM
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My stepmother used to make them quite often. I have no idea why, or why she made them relatively authentically, since she had no connection to Cornwall--but they were yummy just the same. The only untraditional thing she did to them was the shape. She made them more of a cresent shape and closed them on the side. I've made them a few times myself, but I'm horrible at making crusts of any kind so I don't attempt it too often. No, I don't put carrots or peas in them.  Or apples. 
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#308130 - Mon Aug 14 2006 06:26 AM
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I have heard that the devil would not go to Cornwall in case he was put in a pasty.
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#308131 - Tue Aug 15 2006 04:41 AM
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He has been. I've tasted them.
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#308133 - Tue Aug 15 2006 07:03 AM
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I've never had a proper pasty, coming from Scotland I think I'm probably meant to dismiss the traditional 'cornish pasty' and sit down to a nice meal of haggis and neeps. I've had a pasty from a bakery up here, but they are never anything brilliant, plus they aren't made anything like the link you gave us ren, I think I may have to seek out somewhere that will provide me with an official traditional pasty so I can find out what I have been missing out on!
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#308134 - Thu Aug 17 2006 03:21 AM
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Many years ago I spent a number of holidays in Cornwall, and as much as it grieves me to agree with the old bag, Ren is correct, the real thing is gorgeous and nothing comes close.
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#308135 - Thu Sep 07 2006 01:22 AM
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What's a pommie?
The term Pommy for a British person is commonly used in Australian English and New Zealand English, and is often shortened to Pom. The origin of this term is not confirmed and there are several persistent false etymologies.
One theory is that, as the majority of early immigrants to Australia were British, it is rhyming slang for "immigrant" from a contraction of the word "pomegranate", or possibly more directly related to the appearance of the fruit, as it bears a more than passing resemblance to the typical pale complexioned Briton's skin after his or her first few days living under the hot Australian sun.
The use of the word 'Pom' is contentious. Some British people living in Australasia find the term offensive and demeaning, others find it harmless and amusing. Attitudes to the use of the word have varied over the years, from the 1960s when slogans such as 'bash a pom a day' were heard on New Zealand radio, to today, when the word has become so entrenched that few Australians and New Zealanders see any reason to avoid using the word, some even justifying the use of the word as being 'endearing'.
From the Macquarie Dictionary . . .
Pommy - noun (Derogatory) 1. an English person. Pommy - adjective 2. English [probably from pomegranate, rhyming slang for 'immigrant'. Definitely not from the purported acronym POME, supposedly standing for Prisoner Of Mother England]
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#308136 - Mon Sep 11 2006 03:33 AM
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The pomegranate explanation seems a bit unlikely, as it was an 'exotic' and giving convicts exotic fruit to eat to stave off scurvy is not something that the people transporting them would be likely to do. The idea was to transport them as cheaply as possible and then 'sell them' at the quayside and return for the next lot. An acronym is also unlikely as these did not become popular until the 20th century. I think it is more likely to be modified thieves cant, flash lingo or slang possibly deriving from 'paume' for palm or hand, which may have been used for a thief.
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#308137 - Tue Dec 26 2006 01:52 AM
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Just to add a little local confusion. I live in Stornoway - Outer Hebrides/Western Isles (take your pick) of Scotland. On the Isle of Lewis. Which is attached to the Isle of Harris. Which some people call the Isle of Lewis with Harris or vice-versa. Also known as the Long Island. Try wikipedia for an image. Anyhoot, if Lewis and Harris are joined as one yet still called isles why not the Isle of England or the Isle of Wales?
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