#316963 - Fri Aug 11 2006 04:00 PM
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Apparently, there was a flight that was turned around last Sunday - http://www.dnaindia.com/report.asp?NewsID=1046646I'm trying to find out what the 'cargo' was, if anyone knows - please let us know.
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#316964 - Fri Aug 11 2006 05:39 PM
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They now have armed police patrolling in our local airport, a horrid sight.
I am really concerned about the potential for theft when you pack valuables in your baggage. Historically I have always packed my jewellery in my hand baggage together with all medication. No way would I pack it in my hold baggage.
Locally we are being told that only enough medication for the journey may be carried in the plastic bag. Again, I couldn't travel with my medication in my baggage in case it got lost or delayed, I could have a stroke if I miss a few doses so dare not lose it.
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#316965 - Fri Aug 11 2006 06:15 PM
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Only enough for the trip? Well, what about some medicines where you can't separate it out for how much for the trip like nasal spray andbirth control pills?
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#316966 - Fri Aug 11 2006 06:18 PM
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You cannot even bring a book with you to read.
Well those paper cuts can cause a nasty injury. You can imagine the horror a group of muslim extremists british citizens of pakistani extraction can cause with a finely sharpened paperback. Best to be safe than sorry. 
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#316967 - Sat Aug 12 2006 05:25 AM
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Sue, my understanding of the medication restriction means that you can take all your essential daily meds, in their original prescription containers, on-board with you in the clear plastic bag--particularly if they are in pill form. I don't think the restrictions are intended to mean you can only carry a few loose pills on-board with you, since they require meds to be in their original containers. If you have 20 pills for blood pressure in one of those containers I have a feeling you can take the entire amount in that container on-board. Ditto for all your other essential daily meds. But you might not be able to bring aboard only meds you might use occasionally, like for a migraine headache. You probably can also carry duplicate prescriptions on-board in your wallet. I don't think they are taking any measures which would actually put anyone's life or health at risk. As for the jewelry problem, the only solution would be to wear it all on the flight.  And forget about reapplying your lipstick or powdering your nose. I heard one woman complain that she had to throw out $80 worth of makeup at the airport and she said it killed her to do that.
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#316968 - Sat Aug 12 2006 05:35 AM
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Now CB you know as well as I do if Sue was to wear all her jewelry on board she would be met by the Palace Police and set off all the metal detectors in the airports she travelled through.haahaaha As a famous person once said "You in the balcony just rattle your jewelry." And believe me Sue could definitly rattle it.LOL LOL. PF 
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#316969 - Sat Aug 12 2006 03:04 PM
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Medicine is allowe din liquid or gel form as long as you ahve your prescription with you and it is in your name.
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#316970 - Sun Aug 13 2006 11:57 AM
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My poor friend has to face the prospect of travelling from Jersey to Hawaii in a couple of weeks with nothing but a small see-through bag containing her travel documents and credit cards and money, not even a book to read - a nightmare.
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#316972 - Sun Aug 13 2006 02:29 PM
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Checking out various security sites and found this one - to be honest, anyone wearing shoes like that deserves to be locked up! 
Edited by sue943 (Sun Aug 13 2006 02:29 PM)
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#316973 - Sun Aug 13 2006 03:08 PM
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to be honest, anyone wearing shoes like that deserves to be locked up!
How dare you! I just got some identical ones!
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#316974 - Sun Aug 13 2006 03:14 PM
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I rest my case.
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#316976 - Mon Aug 14 2006 02:09 PM
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It's because they're sloppy, incompetent, negligent and inefficient when it comes to implementing even the most basic safety and security measures. They like to pay lip service to security, implementing a few shallow procedures which catch the public eye, but neglect anything which demands real competence, responsibilty or investment. I've complained elsewhere in the forums about how irritated I get at seeing people carrying on a couple of suitcases, plus other large bits of paraphenalia, as so-called 'hand luggage'! There are very clear international regulations on physical dimensions and total weight of hand luggage, but in many years of flying I've only seen two airlines impose these regulations, Qantas and Libyan Arab Airlines - and I salute both! Companies which fail to implement their own basic rules, especially when on public view usually fail miserably to implement rules which are not so visible, and I shudder to think what else these incompetent organisations allow behind closed doors. I flew to Florida a couple of weeks after 9/11, and was astounded at the poor security - on a major airline - with the usual massively overweight, oversize 'hand luggage' still being allowed. At the duty free shop they'd had a special offer of 'buy one, get one free Bourbon', so I'd bought a couple of litres which were in glass bottles - which would have made excellent weapons, far better than the small knives used by the 9/11 terrorists. I expected them to be taken from me at boarding, but was told they were OK, and actually complained about this, but was informed they didn't come under the banned items! Still I suppose it's important that safety and security doesn't get in the way of duty free profits! 
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#316977 - Mon Aug 14 2006 03:29 PM
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http://www.thisislocallondon.co.uk/misc/print.php?artid=876542The following are the latest carry-on restrictions for flights in the UK; Quote:
Eased airport security measures:
- Each passenger is permitted to carry one item of cabin baggage through the airport security search point. The dimensions of this item must not exceed: a maximum length of 45 cm, width of 35 cm and depth of 16 cm (17.7"13.7"6.2" approx) (including wheels, handles, side pockets etc.).This is relatively similar in size to a small laptop bag.
The bag must NOT contain:
- Any liquids, cosmetics or toiletries, including gels, pastes, lotions, liquid/solid mixtures, perfumes and the contents of pressurised containers - these must be checked in as hold baggage.
- Cigarette lighters are NOT permitted in hold baggage or through the security search. These may be purchased airside.
The bag CAN include:
- Electronic equipment including mobile phones, digital cameras and MP3 players (such as iPods).
- Prescription medicines in liquid form, eg diabetic kit.
- Baby milk and liquid baby food (the contents of each bottle MUST be tasted by the accompanying passenger).
- Laptops must be removed from the bag for x-ray.
All remaining items in pockets should be placed in the clear plastic bag provided, eg car keys and fobs, cash, solid food, books, newspapers, cigarettes and tobacco.
Pushchairs and walking aids are permitted but must be x-ray screened. All wheelchairs will be subject to search. Please note: You may be subject to a hand search by the security team and required to remove footwear to be x-ray screened.
Once in the departure lounge passengers may purchase any item in any store and take it onto the aircraft as normal unless you are travelling to the USA.
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#316979 - Mon Aug 14 2006 04:07 PM
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>>>> - Cigarette lighters are NOT permitted in hold baggage or through the security search. These may be purchased airside. Airside?  Does that mean you can purchase it on the plane? Perhaps I'm getting the wrong end of the stick. If there's no smoking allowed on aeroplanes then why would you a) want one or b) sell them?
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#316980 - Mon Aug 14 2006 04:44 PM
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So you can smoke right when you get off the plane? (So much easier not to smoke in the first place...
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#316981 - Mon Aug 14 2006 05:00 PM
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Also you can smoke in the departure lounge, airside means once you have passed Security, as I understand it.
We can now take one small piece of handbaggage, you can stick your handbag inside it if you want. Still no drinks although you can purchase dutyfrees once you have cleared Security. That is going to upset some of our shops in town, they rely on tourists buying dutyfrees to take home, now they can only buy at the airport or on the plane.
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#316983 - Tue Aug 15 2006 03:28 PM
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Here's a good article. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14350094/site/newsweek/from/ET/One mention was that the woman's son was only allowed 8 pills and the rest had to be checked. When the woman pointed out that with only the 8 pills (and without the actual bottle with the rest of the pills), how were they to prove they had a prescription? The person at the check-in counter allowed the rest of the pills to be carried on the plane.
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#316984 - Wed Aug 16 2006 03:53 PM
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All of this hyped-up security, and a child can sneak on a plane? British Boy Sneaks on Plane in London By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS Published: August 16, 2006 Filed at 5:36 p.m. ET LONDON (AP) -- A 12-year-old boy managed to get around stepped up security and board a jetliner at an airport outside London without a passport or a boarding pass. The boy was discovered by cabin crew and turned over to airport police. Officials said they could not explain how he got aboard the plane, especially in light of security checks imposed last week after authorities foiled an alleged plot to bomb jetliners leaving Britain. ----------------------- ----------------------- Sort of embarrassing, to say the least.
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#316985 - Wed Aug 16 2006 04:20 PM
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A guy from BAA (the company that runs Gatwick Airport) was on the TV news here earlier. I didn’t entirely understand his comments, but he seemed to be saying that their security measures had worked OK, since the boy who passed through them wasn’t carrying anything forbidden. Presumably if he’d had a jar of lethal hand-cream (like the lady on the Washington flight that was diverted to Boston) or a cigarette lighter that he’d bought landside, he’d have been turned back. Monarch Airlines seems to be a little more concerned – maybe because there’s a possible threat to their revenue here.
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#316986 - Thu Aug 24 2006 06:09 PM
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Granted there are plenty of crazies in this world who would like to hurt others but there's reality and then there's fantasy or wishful thinking. Frankly, I know a bit of basic chemistry and this whole 'terror plot' think stank from the get-go. Here in the states it was just too convienient for something like this to be announced as Ned Lamont had just won the CT primary. The UK Register ran a good summary of what needed to happen, but I'll quickly summarize: 1)3% H2O2 won't work, 50% is required. 2)the reaction takes a fair amount of time (hours) and produces nasty fumes. 3)the reagents must be kept below 10C to produce any of the explosive (TATP) at all, else all you get is one dead terrorist and no ka-boom. There are real binary explosives, Fixor comes to mind, but that's nothing anyone can make outside of an explosives lab. Here's a summary of the evidence from the English "ricin lab" story, the proprietor of which seems to have recently come to trial. His "cyanide recipe"? Grind up 1000's of apple seeds... Wait until you read about his 'rotten meat bomb' aka the botulin toxin. There's terrorism and then there's politics and I for one am fed up with these constant garbage alerts everytime the US is approaching an election. BTW, although a newbie here, I promise to only provide links that appear to be credible.
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#316987 - Thu Sep 21 2006 05:49 AM
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Hand baggage size restrictions are to be lessened. BBC NewsIt isn't the size that concerns me, it is that we still cannot take a handbag. I am going to have to take a larger piece of hand baggage so that I can put my handbag inside. I normally take my handbag and a bag which holds my medication and a book. I don't travel until mid October so there might be a change.
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