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#321263 - Thu Sep 07 2006 02:14 AM Re: Steve Irwin, "Crocodile Hunter", dies
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Ms. Greer's comments, when read in their entirety, seem to me quite balanced:

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I fail to see where her statements, including her closing remarks, should have generated such a venomous response in this thread. So, big deal, she feels that Irwin did not properly respect animal habitats or their need for space. And she suggests that Irwin's death might have represented a case of the animals taking revenge. That's her spin on things, and she's certainly entitled to her opinion. The woman obviously has regard for the animal kingdom, and no true animal lover should fault her for that. And she obviously had some reservations about some of Mr. Irwin's activities and antics--as did many other people.

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However, is it not morally reprehensible to speak ill of the dead anyway?




That's absurd. There is nothing wrong with speaking the truth about the dead, or voicing opinions which might not be unequivocally laudatory. Death does not turn a man into a saint. Death does not erase all human flaws. People should be remembered as they were--warts and all. That includes Mr. Irwin.
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#321264 - Thu Sep 07 2006 04:28 AM Re: Steve Irwin, "Crocodile Hunter", dies
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Hehe well thanks for that link to "like minds" Engadine. If you don`t mind I`ll just post a few of the well thought out comments from say, the first ten in the list.
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1.You have grown into a sad pathetic old lady with a chip on your shoulder 2.I'm half your age Greer and when I was completing school more jokes were made with your name in it than I can remember. 3.I feel sorry that such a disgraceful lady has to come out and be a prat at a time of mourning. 4.Ms Greer you are only seeking self aggrandizement. 5.You are the disgrace, you tired old witch. How dare you? How do you think you are? Let me tell you - you are nothing and no-one....rantings of a lunatic....6.What a fool she is!....Maybe you have spent too long in the UK and have appropriately become a whinging POM! 7.she might as well go jump off a bridge and do us a favour! 8.She must just remember she shall not be missed! 9. Think back lady you were pathetic then and even more so now. 10.germaine greer is a dried up old hag


The writers of the first ten comments are so descriptive and so educated in the use of the English language (except #6 who would probably be horrified to learn that they are speaking "Pommy") that I fear that I may be overcome with envy if I read the further 300 or so.

Yes Copago I thought that the posters on the forums you,and I, are refering to were very harsh on that poor seller in particular. She has pulled the sale and Irwins wildlife fund loses more money because of the unthinking people that harassed the seller.

Gatsby I`ll get back to you later.
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#321265 - Thu Sep 07 2006 05:19 AM Re: Steve Irwin, "Crocodile Hunter", dies
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Gatsby I`ll get back to you later.




Oh, heaven help us ! I think I'm going to get 'hauled out to the woodshed'...

[I need a shot of Tequila, methinks. This could get ugly (just kidding )...]
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#321266 - Thu Sep 07 2006 08:39 AM Re: Steve Irwin, "Crocodile Hunter", dies
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Is it too cynical to think that Irwin was offered a state funeral because of the value he had for the Australian tourist industry?

Certainly it is admirable that this hyper-energetic, popular, showbiz performer parlayed his personal passion for dangerous (and often unappealing) animals into a multi-billion dollar business, created interest in these animals, and then funneled some of his gains into the purchase of land to be used for conservation. He was an extraordinarily good showman and salesman. But he was often at odds with other conservationists, and, from what I have read, also somewhat of an embarrassment to some of his fellow Australians.

Feelings about Irwin were, apparently, decidedly mixed. I found a representative sample:

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In death, as in life, the effervescent Irwin has divided the nation.


To some, he was a buffoon who by his wanton clowning around perpetuated a caricature of the Australian male as a swaggering braggart with more brawn than brain.

'For years, Steve has teased and tormented all types of animals to the point of the creatures' distraction, all in the name of 'education,'' Ray Duncan wrote in a letter to The Australian. 'He incurred many bites and stings in the process and it was only a matter of time before one was fatal.'

But to others, Irwin had more than bravery, showmanship and a boyish charm on his side. He was the embodiment of an up-for-it country where anyone with energy and ambition could not just flourish but take on the world.

'What a great personality and a shining example of all that's great about Australia,' a couple wrote to the paper from England. 'We'll miss you, mate.'

While some embraced Irwin for his have-a-go personality and the enthusiasm with which he brought the country's wildlife to a world audience, there were detractors who showed that Australia is not the classless and snobless society it's cracked up to be.

Just as there was envy of the wealth and influence that his international profile had brought him, there was also derision at his short-pants, his breathless hyperbole and his broad accent.

Whereas Australia's first great cultural export, Paul 'Crocodile Dundee' Hogan, was a character actor made good, Irwin became rich and famous playing himself.

'When I see what's happened all over the world, they're looking at me as this very popular wildlife warrior Australian bloke,' Irwin said. 'And yet back here in my own country some people find me a little bit embarrassing.'





It is sad that a young and vigorous man has died so soon before his time. On that point, I think we can all agree. And the many fans of this performer/educator will miss his engaging and familiar presence.

But I am really at a loss to understand why he would be accorded the honor of a state funeral (an offer the family has declined). Wasn't that offer a bit over-the-top (just as Irwin himself was a bit over-the-top)? Isn't this a case of a celebrity being accorded honors simply on the basis of their celebrity? Were Irwin's contributions to Australia really that great? Am I failing to understand something about Irwin's impact on his fellow Australians?
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#321267 - Thu Sep 07 2006 08:58 AM Re: Steve Irwin, "Crocodile Hunter", dies
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Isn't this a case of a celebrity being accorded honors simply on the basis of their celebrity?




CB, a State funeral is rarely accorded to a NON-celebrity!

The Australian psyche is hard to explain- we have a love/hate relationship with our celebs- we tend to build them up, just to tear them down; it is called the 'tall-poppy syndrome'. I cannot explain why happens- it just does.

Steve Irwin was a larger-than-life character that most people had an opinion of, but he was still a proud Aussie. Personally, I enjoyed his buffoonery to am extent- the only thing that annoyed me was that the rest of the world thought he was a typical Australian! Nothing could be further from the truth... most locals have never seen a croc (or a sting-ray) in the wild, and probably do not want to
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#321268 - Thu Sep 07 2006 03:13 PM Re: Steve Irwin, "Crocodile Hunter", dies
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Here is a song that I wrote in honor of Steve Irwin's death. The song is called "Bye Bye Steve."

Here it is:

Bye bye Steve
We'll gonna miss you so
Bye bye Steve
Why ya have to go

No more sunshine
It's followed you away
We'll cry Steve
'Cause you were stung by a stingray

We'll miss the way you smile
As though it's just for us
We know you love crocodiles
Your death was not a must

Bye bye Steve
It's awful hard to bare
Bye bye Steve
Guess we'll always care

Bye bye Steve
It's awful hard to bare
Bye bye Steve
Guess we'll always care

Guess we'll always care
Guess we'll always care
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#321269 - Thu Sep 07 2006 03:42 PM Re: Steve Irwin, "Crocodile Hunter", dies
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Cri key !

Yes, we're a 'Weird Mob' us Aussies, we love to hate our tall poppies; we go through much of our lives without direct confrontation with the 'nasties' (fauna) that live Down Under . . . I've seen Croc's in the Zoo and Stingrays that've been caught by fishermen (as well as in the Aquariums); and yes, Steve was larger than life, something most of the rest of us are not; he was not your atypical Aussie, but I'm sure there's a little bit of Steve in all of us (even if we are not as 'literate' as some would prefer) . . . reminds me of a song by the 'Scared, Weird Little Guys' . . .

"Redback, Funnel-Web, Blue-ringed octopus
Taipan, Tigersnake and a Box jellyfish
Stonefish and the poison thing that lives in a shell
That spikes you when you pick it up

Come to Australia
You might accidentally get killed

Your life's constantly under threat
Have you been bitten yet?
You've only got three minutes left
Before a massive coronary breakdown

Redback, Funnel-Web, Blue-ringed octopus
Tiapan, Tigersnake and a Box jellyfish
Big shark just waiting for you to go swimming
At Bondi Beach

Come to Australia
You might accidentally get killed
Your blood is bound to be spilled
With fear your pants will be filled
Because you might accidentally get killed"
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#321270 - Thu Sep 07 2006 04:41 PM Re: Steve Irwin, "Crocodile Hunter", dies
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Both songs look great - pity we can't hear them too! 'Bye Bye Steve' is both clever and melancholy, and I'd love to hear it, and 'Come to Australia, you might get killed' is really funny. I'll maybe see if its available on the 'net somewhere. We've seen croc's on the Daintree in north Queensland, and my wife was stung by a bluebottle jellyfish on the Barrier Reef, but nothing serious. A few years ago I did a fair bit of bushwalking in Western Australia, and came across all sorts of things, but none of them attacked me fortunately. An old timer I met taught me how to distinguish the sound of a snake from that of a lizard as it moved quickly in the undergrowth. I've got a great photo of a sign somewhere in the Sterlings, which says 'Wrong Way - Go Back', which was pretty clear - though I didn't obey it!
Last word to Steve - I wonder when someone will make a movie of his life?

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#321271 - Thu Sep 07 2006 04:51 PM Re: Steve Irwin, "Crocodile Hunter", dies
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Well, we have a CD of the Scared Weird Little Guys, with that song on it, so it can't be too obscure.

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#321272 - Sat Sep 09 2006 11:39 PM Re: Steve Irwin, "Crocodile Hunter", dies
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Here is "My Tribute Poem About Steve Irwin"

Steve Irwin was a great man
He had so many fans.
Steve had a wonderful life
Terri Irwin is his beautiful wife.
Between them both they had kids, there were two
Their names are Robert Clarence and Bindi Sue.
The love between them was so true
They both worked at the Australia Zoo.
Until one tragic day
Sept. 4, 2006 Steve was killed by a stingray.
To end this poem, I'll say good-bye
But remember, Steve Irwin, was a great guy!
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#321273 - Sun Sep 10 2006 06:46 AM Re: Steve Irwin, "Crocodile Hunter", dies
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"Isn't this a case of a celebrity being accorded honors simply on the basis of their celebrity?"


It's a little like the British road to knighthood, I guess. When I was very young I assumed one had to be sort of superhuman to be knighted - strong, brave and the doer of incredible, noble deeds which benefited society but I was wrong.
Can you imagine Lancelot and um...Mick Jagger sharing the same round table?

Apparently just being famous will do it for you every time.
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#321274 - Sun Sep 10 2006 12:35 PM Re: Steve Irwin, "Crocodile Hunter", dies
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I think this is so sad. I understand what Steve's kids must be going through. Especially being so young. I always worried what would happen to me if I lost any of my parents when I was a kid.
I've also lost my dad, but I was 21. I just now turned 29. One thing I keep thinking though, is since I'm not married, when that day does come, my dad wont be there to walk me down the isle.
Does anyone know if there is a way to send a card or something to his family?

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#321275 - Sun Sep 10 2006 12:48 PM Re: Steve Irwin, "Crocodile Hunter", dies
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Amy,

The address is


Australia Zoo,
Glasshouse Mountains Tourist Drive,
Beerwah, Queensland, 4519, Australia.

This site also has information on phone and email contact points.

Just as an aside, the Irwin family did not take up the Queensland Government's offer of a State funeral, but chose to farewell him privately.
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#321276 - Mon Sep 11 2006 02:52 AM Re: Steve Irwin, "Crocodile Hunter", dies
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Just as an aside, the Irwin family did not take up the Queensland Government's offer of a State funeral, but chose to farewell him privately.




But there is to be a Public Memorial Service . . .
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