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#322198 - Thu Sep 14 2006 06:33 PM President Carter on Blair
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Here's a link to the BBC report on Jimmy Carter's comment on Tony Blair:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/5346976.stm

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#322199 - Fri Sep 15 2006 05:05 AM Re: President Carter on Blair
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I always thought of Carter as a wise and intelligent gentleman. Well said Sir.
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#322200 - Fri Sep 15 2006 05:52 AM Re: President Carter on Blair
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I always admired Jimmy Carter.He was a simple Peanut Farmer who wasn't afraid to walk down the street the day he was sworn in and be just one of the people.
Bravo,Mr.Carter.
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#322201 - Fri Sep 15 2006 06:21 AM Re: President Carter on Blair
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Carter wasn't much of a President---but he might have been one of the best men that ever served in that capacity.
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#322202 - Fri Sep 15 2006 06:49 AM Re: President Carter on Blair
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Carter wasn't much of a President---but he might have been one of the best men that ever served in that capacity.




Oh, I so agree with that (at least in view of the presidents in my lifetime)! He was the wrong sort of presidential personality at the very worst time to have one like him at his point in history - I've always found my way of forgiving him for that, no matter how many rapid-fire critics he had.
His remarks re: Blair, about whom I've never gathered much in the way of knowledge, sound right, too. Very "Jimmy Carter-ish", if you will. I suppose he carries no more importance in making such comments as anybody else, but when Carter says something it seems to be the words that the majority carry, but just don't say out loud. The very first candidate I ever voted for was Mr. Carter. I remember [sadly] very little about the full aspects of his term but I do remember learning that "a decent human being does not necessarily have the stuff to be a great president, despite expectations to the contrary." Too bad about that, too. We already knew, and keep learning it over and over, how distractingly blurred-up and marginal human beings make for marginal leaders time and time again. Thirty years later, given the opportunity, I'd still vote for Carter in a heartbeat. Luckily that can't ever happen since, and I'm sure he's aware of it and content to be, there really are some men too gentle [and, of course, too old] to run with wolves.
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#322203 - Fri Sep 15 2006 06:53 AM Re: President Carter on Blair
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Gsts, I'm with you on voting for him--his biggest downfall was his humanity, he was just too nice(and maybe a little too simple--in a good way, not a simpleton like is there now). I think he has done more good since he left the office than the four years he spent in it.
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#322204 - Fri Sep 15 2006 07:01 AM Re: President Carter on Blair
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I completely disagree with his opening remark as quoted about Tony Blair being a 'good man'! Tony Blair is a proven liar and con-man, and anyone who trusts him will suffer as a result of so doing!
To justify his support for war on Iraq, he told the British people that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction and the capability to fire them at UK bases within 45 minutes. Most of this claim was based, we now know, on an old thesis by a University student, and was utter rubbish, just as his continuing to link Iraq with support for terrorists and the attack on the World Trade Centre is rubbish.

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#322205 - Fri Sep 15 2006 12:01 PM Re: President Carter on Blair
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Way to go aramis, all I can be glad of is that I cannot vote in the UK elections so in no way have influenced him being in power. He even mislead people about when he was going to step down as PM, I would never trust him.
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#322206 - Fri Sep 15 2006 06:59 PM Re: President Carter on Blair
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What I don't understand is if the majority of the British people are unhappy with him, why is he still PM.

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#322207 - Sat Sep 16 2006 12:56 AM Re: President Carter on Blair
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Because there isn't any effective opposition, and with two major opposition parties splitting their share of the vote, Blair's party comes out the clear winner. He keeps an iron grip on his ministers, and it would require a vote of no confidence by the whole of the UK parliament to oust him, a most unlikely scenario.
Though voters may not like or trust Tony Blair, he does have some good politicians in senior roles, particularly the Chancellor, and hopefully next Prime Minister, Gordon Brown. Gordon Brown is generally considered to have made a good job of running the economy, and above all is trusted by the British populace.
The opposition parties I'm afraid are still divided and likely to remain divided, so the chance of either of them getting elected is pretty low.


Edited by aramis (Sat Sep 16 2006 12:59 AM)

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#322208 - Sat Sep 16 2006 05:14 AM Re: President Carter on Blair
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I completely disagree with his opening remark as quoted about Tony Blair being a 'good man'!



I think (in re-reading) that statement is a classic "Carterism". He's just not the type of fellow to use words that may be provocatively more accurate and closer to what he probably really thinks. He certainly could have called Blair "a public example of idiocy" or something - but probably opted out of doing so because it would have served no real purpose.
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#322209 - Sat Sep 16 2006 05:21 AM Re: President Carter on Blair
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Hi Gats, yes of course I realise that. Jimmy Carter, whatever else people may say or think of him, is a 'wise old man' and always diplomatic!

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