Wendy, what's your opinion on Juilette? I think Jack will eventually find her out, but I wonder, if that will change how he feels about her? I mean he thinks they are in it together against the Others...but he is forgetting one all important fact...Juilette IS an Other!

I hope before any real damage is done, that someone...anyone finds out that Juilette is not all roses and sunshine.



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Agnes, I agree, you cannot rule anything on that island totally out as a possibility. I think we'll enjoy watching this season and the next one unfold. BTW, I HAVE been enjoying seeing Kate and Sawyer together, though I think she'll ultimately choose Jack.

Well, I read somewhere that the fourth season of "Lost" is going to start in October 2007 and run straight through to the end of May 2008, with no repeats and no hiatus. Of course, this could change (as it did this season where we weren't supposed to get a hiatus).

I also heard that "Lost" is supposed to run for six seasons, as opposed to the original proposed five seasons.

Now, this may sound silly and totally asinine, but I think I would trust Ben. So far, he's never told a lie. Remember what he told Locke about how he can't lie to his followers as he would lose their faith? However, he did say he has to think of different ways to manipulate them. So, he may be a manipulator but he's not a liar.

I always believed that there were two sets of "Others" on the island...the Dharma "Others" and the other "Others", also known as "The Natives".

I think that Ben is the head honcho for his set of Others...
"The Natives", but I think that Penny Widmore's father is the head honcho for the Dharma "Others".

I feel that "The Natives", after being used by the Dharma "Others", eventually rebelled and killed the Dharma "Others", hence the "incident" that Marvin Candle tells about in the Swan video.

I feel that "The Natives", after killing the Dharma "Others" began using their hatches and their barracks, so as to get information on the outside world.

One more thing...if I were Sawyer I would have told Jack that I've been elected the new leader, so if you don't mind, please take Juliet, tie her to a tree, douse her in honey and let the bees and insects of the island do their thing to her, or do whatever else you want to do with her, but she's not staying in our camp. So let it be written...so let it be done.

Agnes, the man IS very sexy. Yum Yum!

First off, I would like to say I'm not so sure about Jack's dad being the top dog of the Others. Anything IS possible, especially on the island; I'm not going to deny that. Last week's episode proved that for sure with Mikael (sp?). However, didn't we see Jack's dad in the coffin in one of Jack's flashback scenes? And if so, that was before we were on the island.

I do think Ben IS the top dog of the Others, but if not him, I think it may be Isabella? or whoever the "warden" lady is. She may just normally defer to him or his judgment until something major comes up.

Second, given the fact that Mikael (sp? again) is back, what about Ethan and/or Goodwin? I wonder if they are back somewhere on one of the islands? Well, maybe not Ethan, because I think our side buried him, but Goodwin may be out there. Same goes with the pilot.

OK, now I want to know what our newest addition to the island meant at the end of the episode. What the heck did she mean? Even though she seemed delirious still, she seemed to know what she was saying about our plane. I guess only time will tell.........

Oh, also, I keep wanting to believe Juliet has really come over to our side. Given that Ben has not let her leave (and she can't now anyway), she does not like him. I'm wondering if perhaps she's maybe planning to double-cross him. Besides, I think she really does want to help Sun as much as possible, given what Juliet went through with her sister. Juliet never got to see the baby born. I bet Juliet wants to see a birth, given what's happened to all the mothers so far. Of course, it may just be wishful thinking, but it just would seem right.

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Second, given the fact that Mikael (sp? again) is back, what about Ethan and/or Goodwin? I wonder if they are back somewhere on one of the islands? Well, maybe not Ethan, because I think our side buried him, but Goodwin may be out there. Same goes with the pilot

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The reason why Mikail is able to be alive, especially when Goodwin and Ethan aren't is this...he didn't really die. Think back to the episode where Juliet and Kate were handcuffed together...anything ring a bell? The sonic fence was buzzing when Juliet turned it on; however, when Locke pushed Mikail through, there was no buzzing sound. Our survivors took Mikail at his word about the fence being on, when in fact it was off (remember Juliet had the key and turned it on?). So this is the reason Mikail is still alive, because he never died in the first place.

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OK, now I want to know what our newest addition to the island meant at the end of the episode. What the heck did she mean? Even though she seemed delirious still, she seemed to know what she was saying about our plane. I guess only time will tell...

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I read this theory on another message board, and thought it was a very good theory:

"This is just speculative theory based on what Naomi says. Naomi tells the Losties that there were no survivors of flight 815 and that the wreckage was located and recovered.

Part 1. - Ben=Tarzan

An old theory of mine was that Ben=Tarzan. He was a child, seemingly abandoned, found on the island when DHARMA arrived to begin their studies. He became a focal point of interest to them because of his peculiarities (what those might be are yet to be determined... physical characteristics, learning ability, etc.). He was also a perfect test subject since he had no family and nobody was apparently looking for him. This is how he "grew up" on the island.

"Adam and Eve", found in the cave area by Jack and the Losties were actually Ben's parents.

Part 2. - Desmond

Desmond actually exists in two timelines. He is both on the island, AND with Penny. Had the scene of the Portuguese guys calling Penny gone further, Penny would have rolled over in bed and told Desmond that they found it. Both Desmonds are tortured with visions of both timelines. The Desmond with Penny is just as torn and tormented as the Desmond on the island. Penny knows everything Desmond knows. They realize they have to find the way to that island to bring his two halves together and put one of them to rest.

Part 3. - Penny and Desmond's Picture

There is only one. The photographer used a Polaroid camera and yanked the picture out to give to them. We saw Desmond's timeline where he took the picture with him. This is the picture we have seen on the island. The picture next to Penny's bed is the SAME picture, however it is with Desmond AND Penny in the other timeline. That's why Naomi having a copy of it is so critical. The Desmond on the island knows that only one picture exists.

Part 4. - Two timelines

If any of the above is correct, that would also mean that there are two timelines of flight 815 and the Losties. In the timeline following Penny and Desmond (AND Naomi), flight 815 crashed, nobody survived, and the wreckage was recovered. In the timeline following Desmond only, flight 815 crashed on the island, has not been found, and there are survivors.

Part 5. - The Universe self-correcting

SO, in one timeline, Desmond went on the race, and ended up on the island. In the other timeline, he didn't, and he ended up with Penny.

The ultimate dilemma: how to get Desmond's two halves/timelines to join? Which Desmond will prevail? I think this is the understanding of sacrifice that the Monk said Desmond lacks. He continues to prove that on the island. His last adventure was for his benefit only.... to find Penny. HE needs to know that it is HIM that needs to be sacrificed... not Charlie. But he can't see that. Desmond with Penny DOES know that.

But the terribly hard choice that Desmond with Penny faces is this: If the Desmond on the island is sacrificed, it allows Desmond to remain with Penny in the other world, untormented... except by doing this, the people that might have survived flight 815 will be doomed. The choice that HAS to be made is for Desmond with Penny to LEAVE Penny and go to the island. THAT is the sacrifice Desmond needs to make.

Yes, it will doom him to a life without Penny, but it saves 40 some odd lives in the process. What the Desmond with Penny DOESN'T know (or remember) is the story of Abraham. IF he chooses to go to the island... and decides to make that sacrifice, he will be rewarded (of sorts) with Penny finding the island as well. They will not be able to leave, but they will be together... and that is what will be the self-correction of the universe back to pre-flight 815, changing the outcome, and saving the 40 some odd survivors of flight 815.

Here's a variation of the above theory by the same person:

Remember the letters that Widmore intercepted that Des sent Penny? There is a stack of those letters next to the computer in the Portuguese guys' watch station. Perhaps Penny got those letters back from her dad (or was sent them from Desmond - I don't remember who walked away with them from the limo).

Anyway, in those letters, Desmond laid out to Penny EVERYTHING he "saw". So she now knows what's become of him. How this changes the original theory of this thread:

There's only one Desmond, on the island. Penny is alone, having read his letters, and is searching for him. (This doesn't explain the two pictures though).

Also, the flight 815 that Naomi tells them about was a fake... meant to end the search for 815.

What could support that is in the pilot episode, when the Pilot has the transceiver in his hand, reaches through the windshield with it in his hand, then brings "it" back in and lays it in the seat. Many of us suspected that was a switcheroo.

And if so, it was so that the REAL transceiver of flight 815 could be placed in the fake crash site...to give it validity and authentication."

I think that this theory is probably one of the best I've read, and would explain what Naomi meant.

Interesting theory about the 2 timelines but if they scaraficed teh Desmond on the island wouldnt that mean he didnt go there and thus wouldnt have accidentaly activated the pulse that caused the plane to crash. Thus undoing it entirley and saving everyone not just the few surviors.

And as far as how many seasons I think it is a ifght between the network (who wants more) and the writers creators (who want less).

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Interesting theory about the 2 timelines but if they scaraficed teh Desmond on the island wouldnt that mean he didnt go there and thus wouldnt have accidentaly activated the pulse that caused the plane to crash. Thus undoing it entirley and saving everyone not just the few surviors.

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According to the theory, if Desmond never went to the island, Flight 815 would crash and there would be no survivors...just as Naomi said.

But instead of crashing on the island, the plane would have crashed somewhere else and no one would survive.

New from the world of Lost:

TV.com- Lost ending in two years?

I have mixed feelings on that. While it would be good to end on a high note while things are going extremely well, it would be sad. But luckily, we don't have to focus on that yet, there's for sure AT LEAST one more season, so bring it on!

Hollywood Reporter

End in sight for 'Lost': 48 episodes, 3 seasons
By Nellie Andreeva

May 7, 2007

ABC has set an end date for "Lost."

The Emmy-winning adventure series will run for 48 more episodes over three seasons. Each season will consist of 16 episodes, which will air uninterrupted.

"Lost" executive producers/showrunners Damon Lindelof and Carlton Cuse, who have been vocal about setting up an endgame for the show, have signed on to stay for the remainder of the series' run. Their separate new eight-figure deals with "Lost" producer ABC TV Studio include their services on the show as well as multiyear development pacts set to kick in when "Lost" bows out during the 2009-10 season.

"Due to the unique nature of 'Lost,' we knew it would require an end date to keep the integrity and strength of the show consistent throughout and to give the audience the payoff they deserve," ABC Entertainment president Stephen McPherson said. "Having Damon Lindelof and Carlton Cuse signed on to complete the journey of this show was critical to me and the network. Damon and Carlton have tremendous talent, and we're thrilled that they'll be with the show throughout its run."

Lindelof and Cuse praised McPherson and ABC TV Studio president Mark Pedowitz for "their bold leadership and vision in making this groundbreaking decision."
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Having the end point in sight is "incredibly liberating," Lindelof said. "Like we've been running a marathon and we actually know where the finish line is for the first time."

Lindelof and Cuse said they've had "a road map for the series with all the major mythological milestones and the ending in place" for a while.

"What we didn't know was how long we had to play the story out," Cuse said. "By defining the endpoint we can now really map out the rest of the series in confidence."

There will be some puzzle play, too.

"We sort of view 'Lost' as a mosaic," Cuse said. "Now there are only 48 more tiles that go into that mosaic, and we're figuring out, along with all the other writers, exactly where they all go."

In January, Lindelof and Cuse said that they envisioned the endpoint for "Lost" around episode 100. The agreement with ABC will bring the total number of episodes to 120.

"Together on 'Lost,' Damon and Carlton have made some of the most innovative episodes of television ever written," Pedowitz said. "With its sprawling characters and complex storytelling, 'Lost' has become a cultural phenomenon, and we wanted to make sure we had the team responsible for its success in place for not only the run of the show but so that each of their future series creations have a home at the studio after 'Lost.' "

Lindelof wrote the pilot for "Lost" with fellow executive producer J.J. Abrams, and Cuse joined the series in October 2004 shortly after the show debuted to big numbers.

In addition to its instant commercial success and large following, "Lost" has enjoyed strong critical acclaim, capped by a best drama series Emmy in 2005 and best drama series Golden Globe in 2006.

Lindelof, Cuse and Abrams are executive producing "Lost" with Bryan Burk, Jack Bender and Jeff Pinkner.

"Lost" has consistently been the No. 1 show among adults 18-49 in its time period. And while the show's ratings have softened this season, it is the most recorded show on TV, gaining 18% more viewers through DVR viewing. It is also a popular draw for streaming replays on ABC.com, iTunes downloads and DVDs.

Lindelof is repped by CAA and attorney Bob Myman. Cuse is repped by WMA and attorneys Ernie Del and Jeffrey Finkelstein.

The season finale is coming up. What will happen? Will everyone think Charlie is dead? Will people wonder what happened to Desmond?

What about the Others? Will Jack's plan work? Or is it possible he puts too much faith in Juliet and now his plan will backfire?

Will Naomi's people come into play and also be stranded on the "island of no return"?

Is Locke really dead? Or is it possible that the island will heal Locke? If Locke isn't dead or if the island heals him, will he participate in the war against the Others?

Some of these questions will undoubtedly be answered come Wednesday, but no doubt more questions will rise up, begging to be answered.

I personally don't think Locke is dead, I think that the Island, or something, is going to heal him.

It also think that Jacob is being held prisoner by Ben somehow...I mean why else would he ask Locke for help? Ben probably found some way to keep Jacob in that house and is using Jacob's abilities for his own advantage. That's just my opinion though.

I don't think Jack's plan will work. From the preview it looked like Ben was at the tower by the time Jack and everyone got there...so major backfire there.

I still haven't decided whether I like Juliet or not..she seems to be trustworthy in some aspects, but there is always that lingering doubt in the back of my mind telling me not to trust her.
And is it just me or does Jack really bug you? He comes back from being with the others for several days/weeks and he for some insane reason he begins bossing everyone around. Sure they all looked to him to be the leader before, but you would think he would ease back into his leadership position. I've never really liked Jack, so maybe that is just my bias opinion. lol

I also like that Kate and Sawyer are together, but Kate is really starting to bug me. I didn't like the fact that she went and told Jack that Naomi was in Hurley's tent when the told her not to. We still can't be certian that Jack is trustworthy, and she shouldn't be so eager to trust him, even though I'm still pretty sure she loves him on some level...which is pretty annoying to me..but then again that just goes back to the fact that I don't really like Jack.

But anyway...I'm really looking forward to the finale. And I'm pretty sure Charlie is NOT going to die...which makes me very happy. I was on the verge of tears last episode when he hugged Hurley and was in the boat with Desmond...although I was pretty sure he wasn't going to die, I was still bracing myself for his death. :/ Glad he didn't though.

Only 2 days!

I really don't know what to think of Jacob. If Ben was holding him hostage somehow, wouldn't Ben hear Jacob when Jacob said "Help me"? I really don't think Ben heard that because he wouldn't threaten Locke like he did to find out what Jacob said. But that could all be a part of Ben's overall plan, I suppose, which is never easy to figure out...I just had a thought, maybe Jacob is the smoke monster in a sense. I don't know how or why I think that, but anything is possible

And yes, Jack is bugging me. He is, in a way, too bossy. But with the flashbacks, it seems he's always been that way. But I do think he's trustworthy, or at least, as much as he has been from the start. I don't think that Ben's people got to him, even with Juliet being there, because I don't think Juliet is on Ben's side anymore. But then part of me thinks it was a little convenient that she wasn't there when Ben and our survivors met up.

Some questions about the finale though.

Was that the future that we saw in the "flashbacks"? Given the end, I would think so, but then why would Jack imply that his father is still alive? He did that when the doctor who helped Locke caught him under the influence of the drugs.

And then, if Ben is correct about the boat that is near the island, could we maybe team up with the "others" after everything we've been through?

And finally, part of me always thought Tom would be like Juliet, and either turn against Ben or go out on his own kind of like Juliet, so that's why I need to ask this. Did Sawyer kill him? When Sawyer shoots him, it looks more like Sawyer shot him in the stomach, probably just to cause a lot of pain. However, in the next shots, it looks like his heart. But even if Sawyer shot Tom in his heart, we know Sawyer can miss, because that's what happened with the marshall way back in Season 1, and the island could heal Tom.

January is a VERY long way away at any rate!

I was so happy when they showed that Locke was alive...I knew he'd save the day or at least try to save the day.

I don't think that was the "real" Walt that Locke was talking to. I think it was Jacob. Put it this way, I think Jacob had the black smoke imitate Walt, so he could inhabit the fake Walt, and therefore help Locke, so Locke will be able to help him in the immediate future.

We know it was a fake Walt because Walt left the island with Michael.

I was shocked when Charlie turned off the jammer and came into contact with Penny, only to be told that the boat 80 miles out is not her boat. I'm glad he let Desmond know, but I'm sad about Charlie. I wish Jack was the one who was killed instead.

Now we have to wait until Desmond makes his way back to the island to tell everyone what Charlie told him.

When it comes to Ben one never really knows if he's telling the whole truth, a lie or if he's manipulating somehow. So here goes...I think Ben was telling the truth about the boat 80 miles out, and he was telling the truth about Naomi. Naomi wasn't who she said she was...and the people on the boat are coming to the island to destroy all living things. I think what it's going to come down to is this...the Flight 815 survivors and the Others are going to have to band together to rid the island of the impending doom (the people on the boat).

I think when Jack said about his father being alive in his flash forward is true. I think this is a key to the whole show.

And...I'm going to state right now who I think died in Jack's flash forward...Locke. Locke has been making enemies among the Flight 815 survivors, and he doesn't have a father (dead), mother (nutcase), siblings, wife or children...so in the future when he dies no one goes to visit him. Jack has these mixed feelings about his death, and finally goes to see him only to find out he was the only one.

OK, my turn.

First off, I am sad Charlie's gone (if Charlie's dead)...
The show is basically about Jack and Kate, Jack isn't dying. I have often wondered if Jack is the crux of this entire event..
As I may have mentioned before, I am convinced Jack and Kate will never leave the island, and Jack's memories or whatever have me more convinced. Is it a "flash forward", I am not so sure about that either. YES, it could be, and YES it seemed as that is what happened. BUT, Jack mentioned his father STILL being alive... well that cannot be true, unless his dad is this mysterious Jacob person (which I cannot seem to believe).

I think if it IS a flashforward, it was definitely BEN inside the casket. The casket was SMALL for a normal 6" tall man. Jack standing next to it made it clear to me Jack was too tall for it.

I do not think Naomi and her crew are there to kill all living things. I absolutely believe that Ben's warning was a metaphor. I think Naomi taking them off the island will destroy them emotionally or spiritually, which is proven in Jack's off island scenes.. though what time frame they represent still puzzles me. Kate's attitude toward Jack in the supposed flash forward almost has me thinking that it was NOT a flashforward. I get that same feeling of when Desmond had his flash back into his life, while still knowing about the island. Maybe this was a parallel life going on? We've speculated that there could be 2 Desmonds, one on the island, one off of the island with Penny. Maybe, everyone is having a parallel life.

I am sure I am at least half wrong in all I have written so far, maybe even totally wrong. It will sure be fun watching it count down to the end, but man January seems so far away now.

Thanks for the discussion, it's been so much fun!

OK, I was thinking that the one who died in the flash "forward" would be Sawyer. He hasn't made really any friends on the island, I think they are just at the point where they may trust him, but only when they need to come together to fight someone like the "Others". Other than that, they just accept that he's there. Of course, there's Kate that would come, but something might happen, maybe she'll choose Jack and for some reason Sawyer can't take that and distances himself. But in the end, it would make a nice full circle.

I mean, they've been through a heck of a lot, but they've only known each other for a tiny bit more than three MONTHS, not three years. It's kind of like Jack and Sarah. They had this traumatic experience like Sarah did, and they latched on to each other, but in the end, they don't know each other very well except in their "new" lives.

Great finale.

My theory is that the "flash forward" is the new "now", and all events will play from this point onward from now on.

The time gap from Jack signalling the helicopter to the "flash forward" point of the last episode will be filled in by flashbacks.

So the first 3 seasons were On Island, flashing back to before island. Next 3 are Got Off Island, flashing back to Yay We Just Got Saved.

Or at least that's my theory.

Terry, I disagree and I sure hope you're wrong. I have no desire to watch three seasons of them off of the island.
I think it'll be -the first 3 seasons were On Island, flashing back to before island. Next 3 are waiting to be rescued, flashing forward to what has happened, or mixed with flash forward and flash backs(including events of time on the island).

It's what I hope for, but I am generally not correct on any of my theories.

I am getting ready to re-watch the finale, and admit I liked it the first time- until the end revealed the flash forward. But, last season's finale was good and better every subsequent time I watched it (3 more times over that summer). I think I'll enjoy it more with each viewing. Maybe I'll see more and have a new theory, since my husband interrupts every few minutes to say annoying comments to me.

I watched the finale a second time with my niece, and noticed things that I'd missed before. Having someone to discuss it with helped (or possibly hindered...) too. I have no grand theories. Can hardly wait for more to be revealed, but will be content with getting the season 3 DVDs when they come out.