Rules
Terms of Use

Topic Options
#350878 - Fri Mar 09 2007 07:45 PM The great global warming swindle
satguru Offline
Forum Champion

Registered: Thu Feb 17 2000
Posts: 8091
Loc: Kingsbury London UK           
Did anyone else see this on Thursday? I had much of this data saved over years in a file but now scientists from all top places have put it all together in one programme, many who used to support it. I never believed it and now I wonder if anyone else has been convinced or (as the programme pointed out) can wait 50 years to see if the predictions were correct before deciding.
_________________________
Does the brain create or receive consciousness?

Top
#350879 - Fri Mar 09 2007 09:20 PM Re: The great global warming swindle
ktstew Offline
Forum Champion

Registered: Tue Jan 18 2005
Posts: 8717
Loc: Arkansas USA
I've been convinced for years that this was simply a think tank funding, 'evil capitalism' sort of rhetoric. A very lucrative rhetoric, I might add.
I also seem to remember that back during the 1970's, all the experts were calling for the next ice age...where did that speculation get off to, I wonder? Most people who study and report the weather for a living can't even tell me if it will rain next Tuesday...and I'm supposed to get all worked up over these ambiguous predictions? After record breaking cold temperatures acrosss the midwestern US and eastern seaboard? Please.

Seriously, though - unless enough members of the global science community decide to speak up instead of defending their politics/ grant monies /tenures / so forth - before we know it there will be mysterious 'personal energy use' taxes springing up like mushrooms.

Almost forgot to add - no, I didn't see the documentary in question. But I am familiar with material in like docs which have come before it - both real and imagined.


Edited by ktstew (Sat Mar 10 2007 02:12 AM)
_________________________
A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is just putting on its shoes - Mark Twain

Top
#350880 - Sat Mar 10 2007 04:31 AM Re: The great global warming swindle
Mugaboo Offline
Prolific

Registered: Fri Aug 13 2004
Posts: 1033
Loc: Scotland UK
I was half convinced before this program, now I'm not convinced at all.

Not that I'm against most (not including wind farm on Scottish hills) of the green measures being put in place, but they should find a better reason for us to do it

Top
#350881 - Sat Mar 10 2007 07:31 AM Re: The great global warming swindle
ktstew Offline
Forum Champion

Registered: Tue Jan 18 2005
Posts: 8717
Loc: Arkansas USA
I agree. Obviously, we should work day and night to find new energy sources, be personally responsible in what we discard and how we dispose of it, and so forth.

But by the same token, I am tired of hearing their unsubstantiated, politically driven threats about how 'we're toast' in the next century if we don't stop using petroleum products, eating meat and whatever else the ambiguous 'they' can think of to bully the masses with. These claims [ I believe] are not only unproven , but a thinly veiled attempt to sell a particular lifestyle.

A lifestyle, I might add, that some of their loudest warriors refuse to adhere to on a personal level.

edited for typo


Edited by ktstew (Sat Mar 10 2007 10:09 AM)
_________________________
A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is just putting on its shoes - Mark Twain

Top
#350882 - Sat Mar 10 2007 06:15 PM Re: The great global warming swindle
satguru Offline
Forum Champion

Registered: Thu Feb 17 2000
Posts: 8091
Loc: Kingsbury London UK           
Replacing fossil fuel with others is not a political issue but a practical one, and nothing to do with avoiding global warming. The fact they now use it as an excuse to limit its use is like telling us not to breathe as I pointed out in current events. The two things are nothing to do with each other and air pollution from smoke is far worse than CO2 as anyone who remembers the London fog will testify.

The EU are now banning lightbulbs (I kid you not) for the same bogus reasons, and literally (and quite deliberately) the lunatics have so far taken over the asylum, as every law passed in the name of CO2 is based on societal control not climate control, and how they can do it a day after seeing evidence from ex-Greenpeace and IPCC (the UN body who promote this garbage worldwide) should be shot for perjury (or locked up anyway). The science does not exist, and for anyone who did not see it (sorry, it was only in the UK) the UN actually censored their report saying there was no evidence global warming was man made, then someone saved it and showed the full text in the programme. The whole thing is proved to be based on fraud yet the momentum carries on after the heart has really stopped beating, like a car with the engine cut off but still rolling downhill.

Sooner or later the good evidence has to win but how long will it take? I didn't read the papers yesterday to see if the programme was reviewed but today they are back reporting new laws to stop us using our technology altogether, a step beyond charging extra for it. CO2 is not a major greenhouse gas, makes up .054% of the atmosphere (if I quote the speaker correctly) and volcanoes produce more than any other source. We produce as much from breathing as any other activity and Bristol University already pointed this out, and actually suggested a tax on exercising to reduce our CO2 output. As I say, the lunatics are taking over. But can it really last?
_________________________
Does the brain create or receive consciousness?

Top
#350883 - Mon Mar 12 2007 05:53 AM Re: The great global warming swindle
ktstew Offline
Forum Champion

Registered: Tue Jan 18 2005
Posts: 8717
Loc: Arkansas USA
Here's a UK link to the program Satguru mentioned. This says it all nicely -

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/03/11/ngreen211.xml


Edited by ktstew (Mon Mar 12 2007 05:54 AM)
_________________________
A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is just putting on its shoes - Mark Twain

Top
#350884 - Thu Apr 26 2007 11:13 AM Re: The great global warming swindle
TrueHorrorFan Offline
Participant

Registered: Thu Apr 26 2007
Posts: 32
I didn't see this, whatever it is. But back in January this year, it was about 73 degrees during one of our days. I live in New Hampshire, U.S.A. It's not supposed to be that warm during the month of January in New Hampshire, ever.

Global warning IS a problem. No argument about that.

Top
#350885 - Mon Apr 30 2007 11:08 PM Re: The great global warming swindle
Emerald88 Offline
Participant

Registered: Wed Mar 28 2007
Posts: 5
Loc: Canada
I haven't seen this program and I'm not sure what to think about global warming. But I did hear that a global warming meeting was canceled because of a snow storm...not saying that means anything but its just kind of ironic!
_________________________
"He likes to experiment on his dog Abercrombie In the hopes of creating a horrible zombie So he and his horrible zombie dog Could go searching for victims in the London fog" -from "Vincent"

Top
#350886 - Thu Jul 05 2007 01:23 AM Re: The great global warming swindle
mountaingoat Offline
Enthusiast

Registered: Fri Jun 22 2007
Posts: 390
Loc: Blue Mountains NSW Australia
The oil companies are employing the same tactics as the tobacco companies did to obfuscate and deny what is happening. They employ tame scientists to put out bogus reports etc. and give the impression there is still debate going on in the scientific community. This is the big lie. The overwhelming opinion of all scientific bodies including UN ones is that it is 90% certain global warming is a result of man made polution.

Top
#350887 - Thu Jul 05 2007 05:12 PM Re: The great global warming swindle
satguru Offline
Forum Champion

Registered: Thu Feb 17 2000
Posts: 8091
Loc: Kingsbury London UK           
There is a second programme on UK TV a week on Monday, Channel 4 8pm, pulling apart the latest trick, carbon trading. Someone has gone to a lot of trouble as an independent researcher to write about a 100 page scientific and political rebuttal of the whole affair essay on global warming I defy anyone even reading the first few pages to carry on taking the figures churned out to confuse and conflict by the political machine. The references at the end show it is from reputable sources and sadly any scientist who decides to test global warming theories independently usually loses their grants.

Secondly oil companies love global warming. It ramps up the price of fuel and they only win. Our electricity companies alone have made a fortune last year from carbon trading as whatever the theory it makes money for them first and the exchequer second. Who pays? The customers. Don't believe a word they tell you when it's a way to make you pay them more, if they just raised taxes by that much if they said they needed it you'd vote them out, wherever in the world you lived. But save the planet and people see their raised taxes as a charity donation. Well I'll save my money for a registered charity if possible, no politician is going to trick me they are using a penny of it for anything more then wars and helping the businesses who keep them in power. I'm all for capitalism but not corruption.


Edited by satguru (Thu Jul 05 2007 05:13 PM)
_________________________
Does the brain create or receive consciousness?

Top
#350888 - Thu Jul 05 2007 06:39 PM Re: The great global warming swindle
avrandldr Offline
Forum Adept

Registered: Fri Apr 20 2007
Posts: 135
Loc: Charlottesville Virginia USA  
I have to concur. Since 1979, the mean temperature in the US has decreased by one-tenth of one degree.

http://www.oism.org/pproject/s33p36.htm
is a link to a well-done study and data review, which displays the fact above, along with other significant data regarding C02 and the greenhouse effect.

The IPCC (which, you're right, is ridiculous) aside, I have yet to hear any proponents of the "climate crisis" or global warming theories use data in their arguments. Conversely, those who refute global warming always seem to have ample data on hand. This leads me to believe that there is a large financial reason for many people to believe in global warming, but very little factual reason. However, if a scientist can't get funded, he can't publish any results, and therefore the argument seems to be rather one-sided.

Top
#350889 - Thu Jul 05 2007 10:45 PM Re: The great global warming swindle
Diamondlance Offline
Enthusiast

Registered: Mon Jul 28 2003
Posts: 407
Loc: Ohio USA
Quote:

I didn't see this, whatever it is. But back in January this year, it was about 73 degrees during one of our days.




Yes, and it was in the 50s-60s consistently for the first half of January here in Ohio. I remember all the press crying "Global Warming! Global Warming!".

Then the weather turned and we had near record cold in February and snow that closed Ohio State University for only the second time in 25 years. I got the day off at Cleveland State as well. No one was saying anything about global warming then.

I don't doubt that global warming exists (data shows it's existed since the Ice Age, and after the Little Ice Age of the 1200s AD), but I think that a lot of it is a natural cycle, and those with financial reasons to have been shown to exaggerate the phenomenon.

Top

Moderator:  ladymacb29, SilverMoonsong