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#361949 - Sat May 12 2007 06:54 PM Why are most US cities laid out in the grid system?
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moved here as it doesn't belong in the Q and A section of FT.




Question #80280. billythebrit asks:

Why are most US cities laid out in the grid system?

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Why? Most US cities did not need to be walled (in fact, New York City did have a wall -- and is not in much of a grid below Wall St.!)

A grid is an efficient means of design for a city, though Washington, D.C., has a peculiar overlay of diagonal streets as well.



May 12 07, 6:20 AM
billythebrit

All your cities seem to be laid in a grid and numbered - 1st street, 2nd street, 3rd street, or A Street, B street, C street, etc. Just wanted to know why such a uniform approach to cities in such a huge country.

May 12 07, 6:31 AM
billythebrit

Compare: http://www.summitpartners.com/summit_assets/images/contact_us/london_map.gif

With -

http://www.nycitytourist.com/images/new-york-map.jpg

May 12 07, 6:35 AM
collect

London was, indeed, a walled city -- however compare the map of London pre-1666 with Wren's plans for London.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_London

"Wren proposed to build main thoroughfares north and south, and east and west, to insulate all the churches in conspicuous positions, to form the most public places into large piazzas, to unite the halls of the 12 chief livery companies into one regular square annexed to the Guildhall, and to make a fine quay on the bank of the river from Blackfriars to the Tower of London. Wren wished to build the new streets straight and in three standard widths of thirty, sixty and ninety feet"

May 12 07, 7:15 AM
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A grid system makes knowing the location of a street/ave much easier. For example, from the reference street, 15 NW 21st street is 21 blocks north of the center of the city and just a little bit west of the north/south dividing street. Wikipedia has some info on the U.S.'s use of the grid system. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grid_system#Early_United_States


May 12 07, 7:21 AM
collect

Um -- the use of numbers in addresses was not found until after about 1840 when use of postal addresses became common. As a reason for the grid system -- it was not present.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Address_(geography)

"Although house numbering is the principal identification scheme in the British Isles, it is also common for houses here to be identified by name, rather than number, especially in small towns. In these cases, the street name will usually follow the house name. A fictional example of such an address might read: "Smith Cottage, Frog Lane, Barchester, Barsetshire, BA9 9BA"."




May 12 07, 8:05 AM
gtho4

You're better off posting this discussion topic over in the forums. This part of the site is for trivia questions and answers.

May 12 07, 10:01 AM
satguru

You'll find nearly every country outside the UK uses the grid system. It makes the best use of land, is easiest for strangers and locals to navigate and easier to drive along. I have tourist guides from all over the world and straight is the norm for roads outside the UK.
After the fire of London they wanted to rebuild London in a grid system but all the local businesses wanted to reopen as quickly as possible and made them rebuild it as it was, and still is.

May 12 07, 11:51 AM
billythebrit

That's not true (above). Nowhere in Europe uses the Grid system. It's a 'New World' thing, i.e. Australia, the States. In Paris, London, Rome, you can wander the streets. Go here, there, like a river, just flow around the city. In New York, you can walk forwards. And backwards. And turn left. Or right. Like a robot. On a grid.

May 12 07, 12:30 PM
thenudehamster

The grid system is only common in US cities outside the early colonial areas. New England is as cluttered and higgledy-piggledy as any ancient British or European city.
While I have no data to back this up, my theory is simply that it is based on the 'block' system which is so common in the more modern US. When I lived in Michigan, my house number was 9075 as I lived in the '9000' block; next door one way was 9063 and the other was 9085. That township was planned. When I lived in New Hampshire, I lived at 25, next door was 23 and the other side 27 - but that city 'just growed'.

Incidentally, Washington DC is not the only city with diagonal streets; Detroit has several, as do many other places.

It all smacks far too much of town planners and too much civil service interference...

May 12 07, 4:12 PM
star_gazer

Boston, MA is a very old US city and its streets wander and curve in every direction. It seems that more modern city designers started planning cities on "grids" for efficency sake.

May 12 07, 4:55 PM
satguru

Here are some assorted European maps, straight is always the predominant style even though they are not strictly based on blocks. New Zealand is also a classic example in virtually every town and village.

1) classic design in Greek town
http://www.teletype.com/pages/gps/Euro_map/Euro_pic/Greece/greece_street.jpg

2)Turin http://www.gearthblog.com/images/images2006/torino.jpg

3) Barcelona http://www.barcelonapartments.com/img/maps/011map2.gif

I could easily carry these on all night but I think you get my drift.

In the UK we have Middlesbrough and Glasgow but the exception always proves the rule.

May 12 07, 5:59 PM

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#361950 - Sat May 12 2007 07:29 PM Re: Why are most US cities laid out in the grid system?
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Surely, grids of various kinds are typical of all planned cities - whether in the Old or New World.

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#361951 - Sat May 12 2007 11:06 PM Re: Why are most US cities laid out in the grid system?
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I for one am grateful so many stateside cities are laid down in straight lines and that streets have predictable names.

Life is so fraught with real problems and anxieties, it's good to know I won't be traumatised in a strange place trying to figure out my way across town. Common sense dictates the need to platt cities in straight lines with numbered streets one way, and alphabetical tree and bird names [ or whatever the city planner fancies] going across the numbered ones. This practice saves people many hours of frustration, to be sure.
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#361952 - Thu May 17 2007 08:17 AM Re: Why are most US cities laid out in the grid system?
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I credit The Land Ordinance of 1785. When most of your land is subdivided in grids by statute, streets tend to follow.

When I lived in Pennsylvania, the lack of the standardization common in the Western states (i.e., anything west of the original colonies) was quite aggravating.
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#361953 - Thu May 17 2007 11:30 AM Re: Why are most US cities laid out in the grid system?
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The simplest answer would have to be, 'Because they could'.

Downtown Sacramento is incredibly easy to navigate and only when you get into the suburban areas does it get dicey.

When we read 1410 J Street, we know exactly where that is.
It's on J Street and we know where A street is and Z street ends in terms of north south, and then, the number streets.
MOst of us know by heart which ones are one way too!

Grids work much better on flat surfaces, and we've got lots of that in the States.
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#361954 - Thu May 17 2007 02:19 PM Re: Why are most US cities laid out in the grid system?
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The sources I've located suggest the idea of 'grid cities ' date all the way back to about 2600 BC and have never been confined to the Americas. Through the centuries, city planners have made straight lined cities for ease of navigation and to create more pedestrian friendly neighbourhoods. New roads built in a straight line are less costly to build and maintain. Studies also show that traffic fatalities are much less in gridded areas. This last is due to more frequent intersections which demand lower traffic speeds.
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#361955 - Thu May 17 2007 04:55 PM Re: Why are most US cities laid out in the grid system?
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If you see a straight main road in Britain they're nearly all Roman. It was the obvious method and they ignored hills and other features and usually went straight through or over them. Once they left the British preferred to avoid using other people's land and build round boundaries, and anything else in the way as it was easier. As a result we now have the worst roads in any civilised country and far too late to do much to fix it as there'd be no room to rearrange anything. I couldn't get lost on Manhattan if I tried but even regular visitors would have a job navigating Central London or anywhere else around it. That's why our taxi drivers need to take exams and others don't, plus all the one way and blocked off streets. I drove them all for months in a van and they are diabolical.
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#361956 - Sun Jul 01 2007 10:10 PM Re: Why are most US cities laid out in the grid system?
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Say what you may about the Mormons but Salt Lake City has a nice orderly layout where all streets are based on direction and distance from the temple. Really easy to find your away around as the street names and numbers will be 5400 South, 2000 East and such. Good system, really have to give them credit.

Sorry Australians, but Sydney, now that's a city where you can tell that it was laid out by criminals, just throw a street anywhere you feel like! Once you get used to it though, not so bad.


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#361957 - Mon Oct 08 2007 03:01 AM Re: Why are most US cities laid out in the grid system?
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It makes life easy for postmen;)
It's a useful system for relatively new planned cities that are built in a river or coastal plain- anywhere flat enough. Cities built on hills usually have main streets that follow contour lines of those hills. The main streets here in Jerusalem were shepherd paths eons ago as the city was built over several hills.
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#361958 - Mon Oct 08 2007 11:39 AM Re: Why are most US cities laid out in the grid system?
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I live in Sandusky,Ohio. Even though we are a relatively small city (pop.30,000), it is very hard for anyone new to the area to figure out how our streets run. Our layout was done by the Freemasons with their "square and compass" design shown here aerial view Sandusky . We have streets that actually "end" and then "begin" again 2 or 3 different times. Quite baffling, but I have been told it's very significant. Not that anyone cares, but my house is right at the circle to the top point.
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#361959 - Mon Oct 08 2007 01:24 PM Re: Why are most US cities laid out in the grid system?
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Interesting and unusual! However, it's still consciously geometric. Obviously, I can see that if one's designing a street layout from scratch, anything like meandering English country lanes might raise questions about the planner's sanity.

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#361960 - Sun Oct 21 2007 03:19 AM Re: Why are most US cities laid out in the grid system?
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I thought it was for easier pizza delivery!
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