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#362139 - Mon May 14 2007 10:29 AM The World gone mad.
romeomikegolf Multiloquent Registered: Wed Apr 07 2004 Posts: 4875 Loc: Rothwell Northants England UK	According to a recent story, and I have no doubt that it is true, when England goes 'smokeless' on July 1st, even Churches and Cathedrals will be required to display No Smoking notices at the entrances. I don't know of anyone that would even think of lighting up in a Church. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/6652997.stm _________________________ Reality is an illusion brought about by lack of alcohol Would the last person to leave the planet please turn off the lights.
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#362140 - Mon May 14 2007 11:04 AM Re: The World gone mad.
Bruyere Star Poster Registered: Sat Feb 10 2001 Posts: 18899 Loc: California USA	What about those that have the smoke as part of the service? I mean, oh I can't ever remember the words for them. _________________________ I was born under a wandering star.
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#362141 - Mon May 14 2007 11:23 AM Re: The World gone mad.
garyfire Enthusiast Registered: Sun Apr 29 2007 Posts: 264 Loc: Antgonish Nova Scotia Canada	Haha. I guess I sort of understand where they're coming from, but no smoking signs on Churches is overkill IMO. Smoke free is a good way to go. It's been like that for a while in Nova Scotia and it's nice to go out for a drink without having a lung collapse _________________________ "A ray of light into a room that's remained dark for a thousand years dissolves a thousand years of darkness"
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#362142 - Mon May 14 2007 11:27 AM Re: The World gone mad.
50ftqueenie Enthusiast Registered: Tue Mar 21 2006 Posts: 201 Loc: Hull Yorkshire UK	The world has gone crazy, full stop. Soon we won't be able to break wind in our home without getting the Governments permission. _________________________ They say hard work never hurt anybody, but why take the chance?
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#362143 - Mon May 14 2007 11:39 AM Re: The World gone mad.
Bruyere Star Poster Registered: Sat Feb 10 2001 Posts: 18899 Loc: California USA	Nevertheless, I lived in the UK when people could still smoke on the bus and in the cinema. I'm thinking that none of you would want that back? _________________________ I was born under a wandering star.
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#362144 - Mon May 14 2007 11:50 AM Re: The World gone mad.
sue943 Administrator Registered: Sun Dec 19 1999 Posts: 38005 Loc: Jersey Channel Islands	We went 'smoke free' at the beginning of the year. I don't know if there are no smoking signs in churches but I do know one sandwich bar got a bit upset at being taken to task for not having a sign, it had been 'non smoking' since opening years ago and couldn't see why they should suddenly now display a sign. _________________________ Many a child has been spoiled because you can't spank a Grandma!
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#362145 - Mon May 14 2007 11:50 AM Re: The World gone mad.
ClaraSue Forum Champion Registered: Sun May 18 2003 Posts: 7842 Loc: Arizona USA	Once smoking is banned in certain areas, those that smoke look for places where it's still safe to light up. If a sign is not posted, the excuse will be "but I didn't see a 'no smoking' sign". I think it's sad that signs have to be put up for that reason. _________________________ May the tail of the elephant never have to swat the flies from your face.
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#362146 - Mon May 14 2007 12:03 PM Re: The World gone mad.
ktstew Forum Champion Registered: Tue Jan 18 2005 Posts: 8717 Loc: Arkansas USA	Quote: What about those that have the smoke as part of the service? I mean, oh I can't ever remember the words for them. Those are known as censers [ metal open windowed boxes filled with incense and suspended from chains, which are swung to and fro over the congregation by the priest] I too, am curious to know how they get around 'censoring the censers'....and don't Jewish families have a blessing - a candle smoke ritual in their Friday night Sabbath at home? And how literally are we to take these anti - smoke laws? What next, I wonder? Edited by ktstew (Mon May 14 2007 12:05 PM) _________________________ A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is just putting on its shoes - Mark Twain
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#362147 - Tue May 22 2007 06:55 PM Re: The World gone mad.
carolthescot Explorer Registered: Mon May 21 2007 Posts: 81 Loc: Central Scotland UK	I didn't know people were allowed to smoke in church
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#362148 - Tue May 22 2007 11:13 PM Re: The World gone mad.
romeomikegolf Multiloquent Registered: Wed Apr 07 2004 Posts: 4875 Loc: Rothwell Northants England UK	Quote: Those are known as censers Censoring the censers, give them time. One day they'll ban breathing. _________________________ Reality is an illusion brought about by lack of alcohol Would the last person to leave the planet please turn off the lights.
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#362149 - Wed May 23 2007 07:05 PM Re: The World gone mad.
bloomsby Moderator Registered: Sun Apr 29 2001 Posts: 4095 Loc: Norwich Englandï¿½UKï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï...	In 1955 I visited the Netherlands with my parents. We were thunderstruck to find ash trays on the backs of some of the pews in the Reformed Churches. We were told that in some churches the men smoked - fat cigars, even - during the sermons! Edited by bloomsby (Wed May 23 2007 07:06 PM)
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#362150 - Wed May 23 2007 07:20 PM Re: The World gone mad.
HayPo Enthusiast Registered: Mon Feb 26 2007 Posts: 438 Loc: Sydney NSW Australia	Personally, I think that ALL public places should be 'smoke free'. I used to be a smoker and have now been off them for 4 years (I'm proud to say). I hate walking into a place or standing at the bus stop or going to the 'footy' and having to breath in someone's second hand smoke. I think it is extremely rude and selfish. How dare I have to put up with an uncomfortable (and not to mention medically damaging) situation just so smokers can keep their rights?? Having said that though.............. I see this issue from both sides. I don't think the government or anyone else can tell people they are not 'allowed' to smoke, after all it is their own body. HOWEVER, unfortunately the rest of society has to put up with it also, therefore taking their rights away to clean and fresh air. So who wins?? Edited by HayPo (Thu May 24 2007 12:09 AM) _________________________ "Wit is educated insolence." - Aristotle
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#362151 - Fri May 25 2007 11:39 AM Re: The World gone mad.
stuthehistoryguy Prolific Registered: Fri Aug 20 2004 Posts: 1302 Loc: Omaha Nebraska USA	Quote: According to a recent story, and I have no doubt that it is true, when England goes 'smokeless' on July 1st, even Churches and Cathedrals will be required to display No Smoking notices at the entrances. I don't know of anyone that would even think of lighting up in a Church. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/6652997.stm Believe it or not, this was not unheard of fifty years ago, at least in the states. Uncommon, yes, but not unheard of. _________________________ Peace, Stu Editor, Sports
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#362152 - Fri May 25 2007 12:08 PM Re: The World gone mad.
lilyalli Prolific Registered: Fri Apr 20 2007 Posts: 1038 Loc: Norfolk UK	Is smoking a sin? Google it - lots of responses. Personally I think it's ok if it doesn't affect anyone else. Full stop!(or period or whatever in States). Do what you want in private but don't mess with my air space.... _________________________ "If you don't know where you are going, any road will get you there." Lewis Carroll
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#362153 - Fri May 25 2007 05:05 PM Re: The World gone mad.
Jaxtah Participant Registered: Fri Oct 27 2006 Posts: 9 Loc: Dubai, United Arab Emirates	Just so long as the non-smokers don't invade the space that is allowed for smokers, and start complaining. Nothing annoys me more than a group of non-smokers sitting in a designated smoking area (when there is usually room in the non-smoking area!) and having to listen to them go on and on about the smokey atmosphere.
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#362154 - Sat May 26 2007 03:15 AM Re: The World gone mad.
sue943 Administrator Registered: Sun Dec 19 1999 Posts: 38005 Loc: Jersey Channel Islands	Quote: Just so long as the non-smokers don't invade the space that is allowed for smokers, and start complaining. Nothing annoys me more than a group of non-smokers sitting in a designated smoking area (when there is usually room in the non-smoking area!) and having to listen to them go on and on about the smokey atmosphere. As a previous smoker I have to wholeheartedly agree with you. I used to take great pains to smoke well away from non-smokers and it was infuriating for one to come close to me and then to complain. _________________________ Many a child has been spoiled because you can't spank a Grandma!
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#362155 - Sat May 26 2007 10:24 AM Re: The World gone mad.
tellywellies Forum Champion Registered: Sat Apr 13 2002 Posts: 5473 Loc: South of England	Quote: What about those that have the smoke as part of the service? They must be incensed. _________________________ Error: Keyboard not attached. Press any key to continue..
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#362156 - Sat May 26 2007 12:12 PM Re: The World gone mad.
Bruyere Star Poster Registered: Sat Feb 10 2001 Posts: 18899 Loc: California USA	In the tobacco producing region of France around the German border, Alsace, they had to put up signs when the regulations said they needed a non smoking section everywhere. The Winstub places in Strasbourg complied, being Alsacians, but, put the sections underneath the stairs! So there was a nasty little table underneath the staircase! And the smokers were next to you! Charming! I don't think the French ever smoked in church though. I'm surprised, but never saw anyone trying it. In front of the church, yeah! _________________________ I was born under a wandering star.
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#362157 - Sat May 26 2007 02:00 PM Re: The World gone mad.
ingridk Participant Registered: Sat Apr 07 2007 Posts: 43 Loc: South Africa	I thank you! What I do in my little space is mine.I know smoking is bad for you and everybody around you,but, and there is my point, but what about all the horrible things going on in the world? There is kidnaping of children and what become of them after the kidnapping(Maddie?), murder, rape....the list will just go on and on.Now they ban smoking from public places and what not all.Why don't "they" concentrate on real issues that realy is worth "carrying on" about?Real punishment for horrible,horrible crimes that is going on in this "wonderfull" smokeless world of ours?Sorry if my spelling and grammer is not perfect.
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#362158 - Sat May 26 2007 02:42 PM Re: The World gone mad.
HayPo Enthusiast Registered: Mon Feb 26 2007 Posts: 438 Loc: Sydney NSW Australia	Quote: I thank you! What I do in my little space is mine.I know smoking is bad for you and everybody around you,but, and there is my point, but what about all the horrible things going on in the world? There is kidnaping of children and what become of them after the kidnapping(Maddie?), murder, rape....the list will just go on and on.Now they ban smoking from public places and what not all.Why don't "they" concentrate on real issues that realy is worth "carrying on" about?Real punishment for horrible,horrible crimes that is going on in this "wonderfull" smokeless world of ours?Sorry if my spelling and grammer is not perfect. I see your point, however, ALL issues have a voice and as such should be treated with respect. As a global and local community we can't ignore the seemingly 'small' problems just to focus on the large problems. The 'small' problems are important also, especially when it effects our quality of life. I agree with Sue and Jaxtah , if non-smokers wander into a specifically titled 'Smokers Area' then they have no cause to complain. They have legs and can walk away at any time! Edited by HayPo (Sat May 26 2007 02:43 PM) _________________________ "Wit is educated insolence." - Aristotle
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#362159 - Thu May 31 2007 08:11 AM Re: The World gone mad.
romeomikegolf Multiloquent Registered: Wed Apr 07 2004 Posts: 4875 Loc: Rothwell Northants England UK	The latest bit of idiotic nonsense concerns three firefighters who are facing a disciplinary hearing for sleeping on the floor instead of in newly purchased reclining chairs. Apparently they are accused of using 'unauthorised rest equipment'. The chairs were purchased as part of a modernisation programme, but couldn't be slept in until the firemen had read a four page Health and Safety document. The full story is here: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/manchester/6707509.stm _________________________ Reality is an illusion brought about by lack of alcohol Would the last person to leave the planet please turn off the lights.
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#362160 - Wed Jun 06 2007 12:30 PM Re: The World gone mad.
Fikinz Participant Registered: Wed Nov 22 2006 Posts: 6 Loc: Dorset UK	I smoke, but only outside and I am wondering how long I will be allowed to do that!
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#362161 - Thu Jun 07 2007 02:15 AM Re: The World gone mad.
sue943 Administrator Registered: Sun Dec 19 1999 Posts: 38005 Loc: Jersey Channel Islands	Oh boy, you work a fifteen hour shift then need to read a four page document before being permitted to sit down! I wonder if they have been suspended on full pay. _________________________ Many a child has been spoiled because you can't spank a Grandma!
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#362162 - Thu Jun 07 2007 08:17 AM Re: The World gone mad.
L_A_Best Explorer Registered: Wed May 23 2007 Posts: 87 Loc: Cape Town South Africa	My husband smokes and I much prefer him smoking 20 cigarettes a day instead of drinking 20 beers a day. In 1984 my cousin was killed by a drunk driver my aunt and uncle have never recovered from his death. If given a choice I'd rather travel with a smoker than a drinker.
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#362163 - Sat Jun 09 2007 01:09 PM Re: The World gone mad.
trojan11 Forum Champion Registered: Wed Nov 01 2006 Posts: 5815 Loc: Santa Ana El Salvador	I, too, smoke. A silly habit but, then, so many habits are, silly. I do not smoke around those that dislike the habit neither do I allow smoking in my car and nor do I smoke when I travel. But amidst all the hysterical governmental warbling, it might be as well to point out that the carcinogenic belchings of cars and lorries/truck etc, are infinitely more damaging to health than smoking, particularly diesels. Anyone who lives in a major town or city is at grave risk. In the fifties (in the UK) a study was undertaken as to why there was a sudden increase in lung cancer and heart disease. It transpired, although the report for obvious reasons was subsequently quashed, that the rise in these diseases coincided directly with the end of petrol rationing. As the air of the towns and cities became ever more polluted with the filth from private and business owned vehicles, so the death rate increased - and so it shall continue to increase. This is not to say that smoking is wise or healthy, but I can promise you that a twenty minute walk through your town is the equivalent of twenty cigarettes. Smokers are an easy mark, although governments shrink from banning such a revenue laden vice, the purveyors of fuel, however, are necessary for our survival: hence, when all the smokers are gone, the death toll will continue to rise. _________________________ Life is just a bowl of cherries, and that makes for an awful lot of stones.
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