#367106 - Mon Jun 18 2007 09:16 PM
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They have smashed another paedophile ring: ITV news report Another filthy animal caught. It has to be good news.
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#367107 - Mon Jun 18 2007 09:45 PM
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They are thinking about stricter laws in Texas for pedophiles. I don't think it is law yet, but they are thinking about executions for those type of people.
I agree, another animal off the street.
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#367108 - Mon Jun 18 2007 11:10 PM
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Sickening. And horrific to think that there are more than seven hundred suspects in this.
Meandering off topic here but as much as I love the Internet and find it useful in so many ways, sometimes I can't help but think the cons outweigh the pros.
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#367109 - Tue Jun 19 2007 08:03 AM
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They have been warning parents in South Africa, to keep a watch on their 9-10 year old daughters, as they are being kidnapped to sell into prostition during the 2010 Soccor World Cup. The world gets sicker and sicker.
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#367110 - Wed Jun 20 2007 02:16 PM
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Loc: Omaha Nebraska USA
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They are thinking about stricter laws in Texas for pedophiles. I don't think it is law yet, but they are thinking about executions for those type of people.
I agree, another animal off the street.
I agree in spirit, sir, but not in fact. The point I made in the death penalty thread - that these scumbuckets are resources for catching other scumbuckets and should be left alive for that reason if no other - is even more relevant here.
Addressing another facet of this issue: this is the type of criminal I loathe the most, generally because I cannot understand the motivation. Murder, I can understand - I'm ashamed to say I've felt the impulse, though not committed the act. Theft, I can certainly understand - wanting nice things is a primal human impulse, and some folks are going to lapse ethically and steal. This, I cannot understand. I guess that's why we call them monsters.
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#367111 - Wed Jun 20 2007 03:36 PM
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Loc: Essex UK
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One of the things that horrified me most about this story was that in a lot of cases, the images were of fathers abusing their own children. Horrific.
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#367113 - Thu Jun 21 2007 12:31 AM
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Loc: Hawaii USA
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Yes, thank heaven this band of pedophiles has been caught! Hearing stories like this make me physically ill, and it's always nice to hear that scum like these have been captured. I hope they catch more of these perverts!
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#367114 - Thu Jun 21 2007 02:24 AM
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Loc: Antrim Belfast Ireland
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I cannot understand the motivation. Murder, I can understand - I'm ashamed to say I've felt the impulse, though not committed the act. Theft, I can certainly understand - wanting nice things is a primal human impulse, and some folks are going to lapse ethically and steal. This, I cannot understand. I guess that's why we call them monsters.
I absolutely agree with this, cannot even remotely begin and do not want to begin to understand the motives of paedophilia. Herein lies the problem and I hope I will not be understood as remotely condoing and / or excusing this heinous crime - for crime it is most emphatically is!
Most people can understand and not condone motives for the crimes you mention. They will also, as you point out, have felt the impulse of some of the crimes and rejected such impulses. Most people, however, cannot remotely grasp the motives of paedophiles. On the scale of deep-seated, thoroughly deep-rooted psychological / emotional illness this must be tops. Words like monsters, perverts, sex-fiends etc are understandable when applied by the general public to these criminals. However, such words reek of the self-righteous, declamatory headlines of the worst tabloid press (who on the next page have nude or semi-nude photos of 16 / 17 year olds etc. Please note that I am not attributing the hypocrisy to the public, merely to the worst of the press.
So, you are right about not executing these guys (or occasionally women) for the reasons you state. Also because long-term study is necessary to learn about and help address one of the most deeply disturbed aspects of human nature. None of this, by the way, precludes necessary long jail sentences. Indeed, such sentences aligned with compulsion or prisoner co-operation in psychiatric treatment would be very, very long-term indeed.
And finally, before any brigade of the self-righteous, rides in with knee-jerk axioms to condemn what some might construe as pinko-leftist liberalism, I reiterate - I have no sympathy, want no truck and would deal harshly in terms of sentencing with paedophiles. I suspect (but do not know this) that many of those 'good guys' who have to subject themselves to mind-distorting exposure to awful crimes against children in order to catch criminals might well be in line with what I am trying to say.
Yes, pursue them, yes, jail them, yes, condemn them but for goodness sake get to understand them for if we don't this will continue (as it always has - it is not a new crime). I have forgotten the book and / or source but the old adage something like the hunter must know the thing he hunts is very applicable here.
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#367115 - Wed Jun 27 2007 12:37 PM
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This is certainly one area in which I approve of what might be termed entrapment, because of the heinous nature of the crime and the horrific suffering of the victims. I have not studied this problem much, but one motive that occurs to me is that the perpetrator has absolute power over another human being. Many people feel powerless these days, & for some this must seem a way for their sorry selves to stop feeling like complete nobodies. Obviously, I'm not justifying the crime. Just trying to comprehend. Tragically in some countries this is legal, in that a girl of only NINE YEARS could be married off. A boy of 13, I believe, as well. The Islamic Reublic of Iran made this legal, citing the example of the Prophet Muhammad who married Aisha when she was only SIX and consummated it when she was NINE. I am not making this up. Also, a problem with applying the death penalty in cases of paedophilia is that it could easily have the consequence of the abusers murdering their victims to eliminate the witness. Feedback would be most welcome. Peace.
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#367116 - Wed Jun 27 2007 04:17 PM
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Registered: Tue Jun 13 2006
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Loc: Tennessee USA
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I'm not sure how it is elsewhere, but in this part of the U.S. at least, any prisoners in jail for pedophilia or any sexual crimes involving children are at a high risk for being harmed or murdered in jail. My uncle was in jail for molesting his step-daughter. He must have done a good job of keeping the reason he was in jail quiet, because he probably wouldn't have made it long otherwise. You know that a crime like this is sick and disgusting when even murderers and other criminals think it is scummy.
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#367117 - Wed Jun 27 2007 04:21 PM
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Loc: Antrim Belfast Ireland
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Also, a problem with applying the death penalty in cases of paedophilia is that it could easily have the consequence of the abusers murdering their victims to eliminate the witness.
An excellent point temujin2020 and one I would never have thought of
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