I loved it when Eric kissed Jess for the challenge it said "Challenge Passed: Barely".

I was [censored] when Amber beat Danielle in The Power of 10. I know they both could have used the money, but I think Dani would have won more. Well she is a heck of a lot smarter than Amber. I think she just had a little bad luck. It was sad that she didn't even get to see Nick.

I hope Amber leaves, because I just started to like Zach. He actually plays the game now!

I am so sick of Eric. He has this attitude that totally grates me, especially since he continuously refers to the week that Daniele was HOH and ED was actually 'running the show' that week. That's rich coming from him considering he is A) America's Player, B) Sleeping in the HOH room with the current HOH and C) Advising the current HOH how he thinks things should be. Did anyone see his facial expressions when Zach came upstairs to talk to Jess? What a jerk. He has no room to judge anyone for trying to play the game when he is totally using Jess to his advantage.

P.S. I agree with NWW^ up there - giving him tasks like "Kissing Jessica" - What kind of challenge is that? He couldn't even give her the silent treatment for 30 seconds and had to hide in his bed because he knew he'd never be able to do it. CBS should be paying for a wedding in the near future, especially if they're paying him to do things he's already doing. I actually voted for him to kiss Daniele just to mix things up in the house.

Has anyone read the CNN story on the show?

http://www.cnn.com/2007/SHOWBIZ/TV/08/30/tv.bigbrother.ap/index.html

It claims that Amber made some anti-semitic comments to Jameka on the live feed. I don't subscribe to the feeds so I can't say I witnessed it but I have to laugh that it would come from Amber, of all people. Ths is a girl who doesn't seem to have much of an education, given she doesn't know the definitions of most English words. CNN reports that she cannot be questioned about these remarks because it could upset the "integrity of the game". What happened to freedom of the press? If you don't want to be questioned about your statements or actions, don't commit them, that's what I believe. Don't you think the press won't be all over ED post-game? George Orwell knew what he was talking about when he wrote "Big Brother is watching" in 1984 !

Hmmm. Given the tempraments and overall differences of the houseguests, I would think that something offensive being said about this group or that one would happen every thirty minutes. Or less. While it certainly isn't very nice to do, I don't think it'd be any worse than what one might hear at a urban diner at lunchtime. It is odd that Amber is the one on the hot seat for it (quite frankly, the remark cited is about as mild a "slur" as one can describe ... which is not to say that insults are better or worse by degrees or anything). Airing something like that could cause trouble for CBS on prime time but this private feed seems a whole different ball of wax. Or it seems so to me, anyway. And, all that aside, I'm not sure I get this "Dick burning Jen" scenario [*scratches head*]. If I'd put my hand on a burning cigarette (while childishly swatting at it in the course of a tantrum) I really don't think the person holding the cigarette is exactly culpable of assault and/or burning me. Jeesh, The lemonade on her head WAS assault, technically. The cigarette thing wasn't. Just my opinion, though.

As for the press being able to ask the evicted players anything they want to ask? Just another opinion, but I'd say "why not?" They're out of the game, anything they said would not be heard by those still IN the game - what's the big "cloak of secrecy"?

Maybe I'm just not dashed by silly remarks made by reality show people, but all I'll remember about Amber is that she's presented as a teetering-on-the-edge-of-a-breakdown flake/weirdo! If she's slightly anti-semitic (or worse) in the process, it wouldn't surprise me much.

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As for the press being able to ask the evicted players anything they want to ask? Just another opinion, but I'd say "why not?" They're out of the game, anything they said would not be heard by those still IN the game - what's the big "cloak of secrecy"?

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I believe they're referring to the players who are going into sequester, not those who've gone home. In which case, it could be game-changing because those players are the jury members who will vote for the winner, and they could be influenced by opinions from 'the outside'.


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"The producers are operating essentially two differently realities," says Andy Dehnart, who blogs about reality TV at realityblurred.com. "One is for the feed watchers and the Showtime Too watchers at night. The other is on TV. They've condensed things that aren't really representative of reality. We can show that Amber has said anti-Semitic things without having to repeat them. We can show Dick is a horrible person without including the words he's using. But the producers choose not to."

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I totally agree with this. They're editing these people to be who they want us to see. There was more to what Amber said than the couple things they quoted in the article, it was worse than that. (Although in her defense, I think she's just one of those truly ignorant people who are just repeating what they've been taught. She doesn't seem to have a really tight grip on reality. I pity her when she gets out of the house and sees that she's not the most popular player as she seems to think, and in fact is one of the more loathed--people unfortunately say some really nasty things about her--the least of which is her nick-name of Waaamber...)
Dick's rants are FAR worse than we've been shown, and he's said some truly vile things.

This whole season just seems way too scripted and manipulated to me. I hope CBS tones that down next season.
Which of course means I'm a giant hypocrite and am continuing to watch. Just call me Ms. Rubbernecker.

Thank you Gats, I so agree with your assessment. The houseguests do speak freely all the time (except ironically perhaps when in the Diary Room), so anything and everything could come under scrutiny, why this particular slur causes more of a stink than others is beyond me. I think if the press wants to question a houseguest they should be "free" to do so, but then level the playing field and don't disallow certain subjects for the sake of "game integrity". Amber has clearly proven herself to be poorly educated, so surely anything she says should be taken with a grain of salt.

Again, I agree with you on the cigarette burning incident. I actually saw that happen live on BBAD and Jen definitely instigated that whole thing from beginning to end and caused her own injury. The "Iced-Tea Incident", also seen live by me, was ED all the way. I was really surprised she didn't go after him, like I might have! But Jen is not innocent, so if she tries to say that she was intimidated by ED she should revisit her own behavior when she was HOH, as she pointedly told Amber and another houseguest that if they didn't vote the way she wanted she would punish them. Jen had her hands on the Big Brother rulebook many, many times onscreen, referring to specific regulations - so she may have a lawsuit in mind after the game.

Well, Miss Rubbernecker ~ thanks for the clarifications there. I'd never considered that the sequestered folks are still (more than less) in the game. And I should have.

You make another important observation about editing when it comes to these programs. I've heard it said before (on "Survivor", specifically - as it's about the only other "reality show" I watch, other than "American Idol" - which I consider a musical/variety type of format more than 'reality') that so much is taken out of context and appears to the audience in a way FAR different than the event happened. I suppose the only good thing about that, at least in the case of these two series, is that a popular vote by the viewers doesn't play into the choice of a winner. So the editing is all for ratings (imagine that?) and not about manipulating the winners circle. Some of that "jockeying" of things is so obvious, too. Much as I enjoy him, I've always thought that Dick on a crazed rant was probably more representative of Dick in private than are those sudden cuts to him being all teary-eyed in his discussions regarding the peaches and cream of fatherhood. When they do some of that, all that seems missing is Ol'Yeller showing up . Certainly good TV. Certainly audience manipulation more.

Oh, and I'll stand behind my feelings re: Amber. The woman is a FLAKE with a capital 'F'. All the other adjectives that fall into her lap just make the 'flake' part more potent. Sounds like I might have HER pegged accurately, at least ...

I understand the reason for not wanting to throw off the game but I disagree with it. Nothing asked of an evicted houseguest will be viewed by anyone in sequester, so why not ask them anything? Those in sequester are only privy to whatever newly evicted houseguests share, that is completely out of CBS's control. Whatever is shared within that house certainly will affect the outcome of the game, so Amber or Jameka (in this instance) could reasonably bring up whatever conversations they've had with another houseguest and CBS wouldn't be able to influence its impact.

It looks like you and I were typing at the same time there, BurgGurl. I'd missed your posts - but it seems we are in complete agreement. I NEVER watch that live feed, so I end up guessing a lot (a risky venture ). My luck, if I ever tune in, I'll catch them all in a group two-hour nap . Can't say I'd find that very interesting...

I wish I didn't have Showtime, then I wouldn't be tempted by that "free" look at off-camera goings-on. Watching BBAD is usually uneventful, mostly it's mealtimes and backyardigan stuff but there is insight to personal discussions involving strategy and some fights - the one between ED and Jameka was memorable! What I don't like about that show is how it's led off with a ticker saying who's HOH and tipping off who won the veto competition before it's even aired, I hate seeing that info as it ruins the upcoming show's outcome. That ticker repeats every time BBAD returns from station identification so I have to look away or ff through it (I record first).

Lets hope Amber is evicted tonight and Dick wins HOH. Go Dick Go! Next best thing if Dick don't win is for Danielle to win.

...no Early Show post-eviction interview this morning....hmmm.

Wonder why?

All I have to say is, I had quite the giggle when Amber stood up to plead her case and said "I'm going to try not to cry" and then promptly...waaaaaa...once again not quite managing to choke back the tears.

Poor girl, she really does wear her heart on her sleeve. Or smack dab in the middle of her face.

I hope she's not bi-polar or something and we're making fun of the mentally ill...

I was not really sure of the Donato's decision to get rid of Amber, and that feeling got stronger after Zach won the HOH for this week. I was glad about the nominations for this week and hope that Jessica leaves the house because she is a threat. Eric is not really a huge threat because he has not won anything and he has to follow what America tells him.

This is a little old since it happened 2 weeks ago. But it involves the fight between ED and Jen.

The timeline they show for how things happened is :
1. Cigarettes getting smashed
2. ED and Jen fighting over smoking while she is eating.

Watching the show then it seemed out of sorts the way things were happening.

But if I put the event of the fight over the cigarette smoke before the cigarettes getting smashed it makes sense. Also as to why just before ED went to check his cigarettes, Jessica told him to go hide them. If there had not been something major between ED and Jen before that, why would the idea of having to hide the cigarettes be a question.

Why would the producers edit the timeline in that way?

Tonight's Big Brother was the best show ever. I loved that Jessica was so confident in staying and then got voted out. It made Eric upset too. It was so funny. I was so glad when Dick won. My wish is coming true. Dick and Danielle in the final four. Who would have thought it?

Zach won Pov and didn't use it. Danielle and Dick must be the best strategizers of all time. You gotta love it. They will be in the final four. I have to say Zach is not a good strategizer. He could have had Danielle going home. Eric voted out. The love couple gone in one night. You gotta love it.

Big Brother Rocks!

LOL, I am so on a different page than you, Trevor.

I cannot stand Daniele, I think she's a whiny spoiled brat and I think her daddy is in for a rude awakening when he finds out how she's been using him; do you remember her saying she wants to be in the final two with him because she knows no-one would vote for him because they don't like him? She's also said more than once how much she hates being in the house with him. (Not to mention everyone else--seems none of them are her kind of people, I guess. )
I liked Jessica, I'm sorry to see her go. Even Eric didn't really bother me like he did a lot of people--although he was a bit, uh, twitchy.
I think Zach is a lot smarter than he seems, but he sure is as exciting as a tree stump...
I suppose Dick is more or less my favorite, although I find some of the things he's said (which were NOT broadcast)pretty close to unforgivable. But back in the day, I knew quite a few people like him. People who were your friends because they had lots of good qualities, but also frequently made you cringe. You just had to decide how much of the cringe-worthy stuff you were willing to put up with. Or how many times you were willing to say "shut up, Dick" (replace 'Dick' with the name of your favorite annoying person...)
Anyway, I think at this point I don't care who wins as long as it's not Daniele. But of course, I'm sure that's who will since it's what I don't want. That's how my luck usually runs with reality shows.

Hmmm. Indeed, indeed. I'm wondering who gave a jump to ol' Zach's battery ? Finally he's coming out of the shadows ~ and not being even a little bit gentle about it (I'm still not sure he had some firm strategy throughout, though, as he is claiming). I'd have nominated the very two he did last night - but not AT ALL for the same reasons he chimed up with. In other words, I wouldn't have made one decision, not even the tiniest one, with the betterment of Jameka in mind ever. Strictly from the perspective of a viewer, I've found her irksome to watch all season. From the chair of a strategist? Counting on her to win a Veto Challenge (or anything else) is just about the same as a night out on the town, naming Lindsay Lohan your designated driver (while at the same time thinking there will no police intervention happening at some point before you make it home ). Zach was certainly right in not expecting anybody named Donato to take him to the Final Two! The options were/are so few. He really has NO CHOICE but to hope all that feverish praying Jameka's done every 13 minutes will kick in and 'God' gives her the gumption to grab that Veto.

The tantrum exhibited by Daniele last night surely backs up Taesma's report. What a little BRAT. She's been playing an "adult" game, jerking everybody over that she can (empowered in large part by having her supportive Daddy on the premises). She thinks that tables don't turn in the other direction in such climates? Her behavior did nothing more than highlight her age, in my opinion, Sunday night. She's right to be feeling vulnerable, though - if either of the Father/Daughter team DO go home, it'll likely be her. And (based only on what we get to see on network) it seems pretty clear to me that, while they all think Dick is your basic brand of annoying jerk and that none of them really like him at all, they respect him (his motives, his smarts, even his *fireworks*) ten times more than they respect Daniele's. The weirdest thing that could happen is Zach and Jameka in the Final Two!? Who to pick there? My money'd be on the latter winning . But, just my layman's guess, if Dick faces the jury, he'll probably win, no matter who he faces said jury with. In which case, Daniele is doubtlessly smart enough (I'd actually have to say that, young as she is, she seems kinda smart in general) to know that'd mean that she wins, too. Riff with Dad over. BFF. "Give me my cut of the jackpot", etc.

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But, just my layman's guess, if Dick faces the jury, he'll probably win, no matter who he faces said jury with. In which case, Daniele is doubtlessly smart enough (I'd actually have to say that, young as she is, she seems kinda smart in general) to know that'd mean that she wins, too. Riff with Dad over. BFF. "Give me my cut of the jackpot", etc.

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Yep, I'd agree with this. The funny thing is, lately Dick has been striking me as somewhat, I don't know, naive or something. Like he just doesn't read people all that well. Or maybe it's just his daughter that he has a blind spot with, because if he does see how she's using him, he sure is keeping his mouth shut about it.
I was going to say something before about the 'sharing of the jackpot' idea. (I forgot to. ) But I was thinking that, if Dick won I could see him handing over a good portion of that money to Dani in a heartbeat. But if Dani won, I wouldn't be so sure of the reverse. I can see her saying something like, well, he came in second and won his own money, I earned it, so, blahblahblah. It makes me very curious about their falling-out in the first place, since it was supposedly about money. Hmmm...


P.S. Gatsby, is your sig from 'Angels in America'? I Googled but all I found was hits on the Funtrivia forum.

I really hope Dick wins but I think if Dick is in the final two with either Jameka or Zach, he will not win. He burned too many bridges with the members of the jury. The only one he can win against is Danielle. For that reason, I hope Dick and Danielle is in the final two. However, I am of the same opinion as Taesma in that if Dick wins the money, he will give some to Danielle but If Danielle wins the money, she will not share with Dick.

Ugh! What an embarrassing display from Dick last night . Like some overgrown, out-of-control teenaged hoodlum. It had nothing to do with the 'game', it was just penetratingly shameful to watch him "nyah, nyah, nyah" Zach like that. Purposeless. Therefore, I don't want him to win anymore [gloating irritates me]. And I don't want Daniele to win, either . Thing is, I don't want Zach to win at the same time, while I'm at it . But, unless something happens to sway me, I'm now rooting for Zach (the equivalent, in my estimation, of Mr. Potato Head). But at least he's in the winner's circle acting like an adult. Go, Zach, go! Hopefully, even he can outfox a mechanical rabbit....

I know what you mean Gats, I recorded BBAD last night and ended up FFing through it because of ED. Even IF his behavior is strategy it's quite unbecoming for a man his age. Did anyone catch him listening to the Walkman the other night? I thought his air-guitar skills were a little too finely tuned, and he was either lip-synching with extreme gusto or audio was shut off so his singing wouldn't violate the "no singing" rule. What a display.

I have to say that Daniele wouldn't have made it this far without him, but I'd venture a guess that if Zach wins the last HOH he will take ED with him to the finals as ED P'ed everyone else off at some point; he probably stands a better chance of winning against him.

Wow, Hoooooray, Dick and Danielle go to the final two. This is so awesome in that father and daughter made it to final two. What a game those two played. I was hoping for both of them in the beginning to get to the final two. Dick Rocks!