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#407600 - Fri Jan 25 2008 12:38 PM Bathroom Etiquette
stuthehistoryguy Prolific Registered: Fri Aug 20 2004 Posts: 1302 Loc: Omaha Nebraska USA	It is my normal habit when, if I occasionally duck into the bathroom to quickly blow my nose, I discard the resulting tissue into the commode sans flushing, as I feel that flushing would be a waste of water since the refuse in question is not especially noxious. I have been told, however, that this habit is in some way "gross". What say you? _________________________ Peace, Stu Editor, Sports
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#407601 - Fri Jan 25 2008 12:48 PM Re: Bathroom Etiquette
lothruin Multiloquent Registered: Wed Nov 12 2003 Posts: 2165 Loc: Nebraska USA	If I'm at home, of course. That's what I do, too. I blow my nose with toilet paper instead of kleenex, and I'd rather flush it, where it will be quickly degraded in the sewage treatment process, than send it to the landfill. However, in public restrooms, no. _________________________ Goodbye Ruth & Betty, my beautiful grandmothers. Betty Kuzara 1921 - April 5, 2008 Ruth Kellison 1925 - Dec 27, 2007
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#407602 - Fri Jan 25 2008 12:54 PM Re: Bathroom Etiquette
sue943 Administrator Registered: Sun Dec 19 1999 Posts: 38005 Loc: Jersey Channel Islands	I would be more upset if you left the seat up than if you didn't flush away a tissue. _________________________ Many a child has been spoiled because you can't spank a Grandma!
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#407603 - Fri Jan 25 2008 02:27 PM Re: Bathroom Etiquette
jordandog Forum Champion Registered: Tue Apr 17 2007 Posts: 5097 Loc: Ohio USA	Quote: I would be more upset if you left the seat up than if you didn't flush away a tissue. Amen to that, Sue! I wouldn't do it in a public restroom either though. Stu, I think some people are just WAY too fussy or WAY too paranoid about little things like that. I am certainly no slob or snob, but I think there are bigger things worthy of my "hygiene attention". Sandy _________________________ The bond that links your true family is not one of blood, but of respect and joy in each other's life. Rarely do members of one family grow up under the same roof.-- Richard Bach [i]Illusions
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#407604 - Fri Jan 25 2008 04:09 PM Re: Bathroom Etiquette
guitargoddess Moderator Registered: Mon Jul 09 2007 Posts: 41461 Loc: Ottawa Ontario Canada	Nah, if it's in your own house, I don't see the problem. It could be a lot worse! _________________________ Editor: Television and Animals
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#407605 - Fri Jan 25 2008 05:32 PM Re: Bathroom Etiquette
picqero Multiloquent Registered: Tue Dec 28 2004 Posts: 2813 Loc: Hertfordshire<br>England UK	I wonder how some of you would get on in North Africa, or some Middle East and Oriental countries, where squat toilets are the norm and there's no flush facility? If a single tissue causes offence, I can't imagine what you'd think of some of the sights I've seen
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#407606 - Fri Jan 25 2008 05:55 PM Re: Bathroom Etiquette
delboy22 Prolific Registered: Tue Jun 19 2007 Posts: 1309 Loc: Dijon France via S Wales UK	Quote: I would be more upset if you left the seat up than if you didn't flush away a tissue. WHY? What POSSIBLE harm does leaving the seat up do? I would be more concerned about the cleanliness of the toilet and surrounding area - leaving the seat up or down would be the LEAST of my worries ......... Sorry if I am not "politically correct" ...........but as picqero said - some of you people would do well to learn a bit about how "the other half" live, before you start worrying about whether to leave the seat up or down .......... or the terrible worry of whether you should flush away a tissue ....... Edited by delboy22 (Fri Jan 25 2008 06:02 PM) _________________________ Quiz author - Crossword author - Proud leader of 'Torrential Reign' - Terry Fords biggest fan - and part-time nice bloke
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#407607 - Fri Jan 25 2008 07:16 PM Re: Bathroom Etiquette
Taesma Prolific Registered: Fri Jun 20 2003 Posts: 1179 Loc: Bay Area California USA	Quote: Quote: I would be more upset if you left the seat up than if you didn't flush away a tissue. WHY? What POSSIBLE harm does leaving the seat up do? Well, if she's referring to the bottom (ring part of the seat)--if you've ever wandered sleepily into a bathroom and sat down unknowingly on a seat which has had the seat left up...well, you'd probably not ask again what harm it could do. And as far as the "how would you survive in [insert country of choice here] with open toilets" etc. Well, I'd survive just fine thanks, but the fact is that where I live at the moment, it's not the norm and I don't feel the need to live like it is. I've roughed it enough times, used leaves for paper etc, to know I'd prefer it tidy and if I can have it that way, I will. But leaving the tissue unflushed in the toilet--I have a different reason for not liking that. Low-flow toilets. You can't afford to let too much paper sit in those for fear of risking a call to Roto-rooter or the plumber. And by too much, I mean more than handful. Whoever invented those sort of defeated the purpose because you have to flush them more times to achieve the same effect as the water-guzzling types. _________________________ "A bookstore is one of the only pieces of evidence we have that people are still thinking." ~ Jerry Seinfeld
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#407608 - Fri Jan 25 2008 09:28 PM Re: Bathroom Etiquette
lothruin Multiloquent Registered: Wed Nov 12 2003 Posts: 2165 Loc: Nebraska USA	OK, Delboy, I can sort of see your point, however... First, I have a young daughter. I don't think she KNOWS how daddy goes potty yet, and while I'm not really terrified of her discovering it or anything, the fact remains that she has no reason to expect to ever find the toilet seat UP. She's really still in the age range where night-time accidents are fairly common, and she's finally learned to get up in the night to go potty if she needs. But she's a hard sleeper just like her dad, and if my husband were as flippant as you are about leaving the toilet seat up, she'd probably fall in regularly. Not nice. And since she's a little kid, it's really not an extra thing she should really have to worry about, I think. Second, I actually prefer it if my family not only leaves the seat down, but also the lid, except overnight so Kit has the least possible trouble going if she needs to. The rule here is put the lid down before you flush. It's purely for sanitary reasons. My bathroom is small and there isn't a wall between the toilet and the toothbrushes. But I have to say, I also just really prefer if men put the seat down when they're done. I'm not really reactionary about germs or anything, but honestly, men are...erm... (how to put this delicately)... more likely to... drip on something... than women. Now, if you've got the seat up, then you're probably going to make a bit of a mess on the bowl itself every once in a while. I just don't want to see it until I have to clean it up. Or rather, I'm going to have to clean it up if I see it, and honestly, I'm a once-a-week kind of cleaner if I can help it. So just... keep that hidden as much as you can, if you would. It's gross. _________________________ Goodbye Ruth & Betty, my beautiful grandmothers. Betty Kuzara 1921 - April 5, 2008 Ruth Kellison 1925 - Dec 27, 2007
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#407609 - Fri Jan 25 2008 09:29 PM Re: Bathroom Etiquette
lxd Participant Registered: Wed Nov 28 2007 Posts: 24 Loc: Georgia USA	What a lovely thread. I just blow my nose with a kleenex, throw it in the trash, and hope I'm not contributing too terribly to the litter problems of the planet. I'm one of those folks who likes cleanliness but isn't extremely worried about it. I have an immune system all set up in case germs land on me. I keep my bathrooms as clean as one can while raising teenagers and working full-time, and don't use public restrooms unless absolutely necessary. But when I do, I don't mess with the toilet-seat paper covers, etc. I just wash my hands very well. _________________________ LIfe is what happens when you're making other plans.- John Lennon
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#407610 - Fri Jan 25 2008 09:49 PM Re: Bathroom Etiquette
veronikkamarrz Mainstay Registered: Thu Dec 28 2006 Posts: 930 Loc: Carson City Nevada USA	Well...The tissue is not a big deal, as far as I'm concerned. However, worse than leaving the seat up, is sitting down and finding the seat WET! Disgusting! Punishment for not looking, I guess. _________________________ ...Be careful out there...
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#407611 - Fri Jan 25 2008 10:14 PM Re: Bathroom Etiquette
Bruyere Star Poster Registered: Sat Feb 10 2001 Posts: 18899 Loc: California USA	The tissue is the same thing for me. My son does it often but I had to ask him to flush it instead because if someone uses it after, there's not enough water to manage properly and you hear "Mom! the toilet's overflowing.' Otherwise, it would not bother me. The men around here never leave the seat up...hmm, at least that's one thing that doesn't bother me. _________________________ I was born under a wandering star.
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#407612 - Sat Jan 26 2008 12:35 AM Re: Bathroom Etiquette
Roni11 Learning the ropes... Registered: Fri Jan 25 2008 Posts: 3 Loc: California USA	I don't mind the tissue in the toilet. In fact that is one of my annoyances in the public restrooms when you really have to go to the bathroom and wait in a long line finally get up to the front only to discover that half of the stalls are not being used because there is one piece of paper left in the toilet. _________________________ "No one can make you feel inferior without your consent." - Eleanor Roosevelt
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#407613 - Sat Jan 26 2008 12:35 AM Re: Bathroom Etiquette
The_lioness33 Multiloquent Registered: Sat Feb 25 2006 Posts: 2869 Loc: Adelaide South Australia	My mum has a thing about leaving the lid down. She hates it when I do it, because if she needs to go in a hurry, she has to pause and lift it up. For me putting the lid down is pure instinct, possibly left over from when I was little and I had a fear of toilets overflowing. I had the notion that putting the lid down before I flushed could prevent that.
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#407614 - Sat Jan 26 2008 09:32 AM Re: Bathroom Etiquette
stuthehistoryguy Prolific Registered: Fri Aug 20 2004 Posts: 1302 Loc: Omaha Nebraska USA	Quote: The tissue is the same thing for me. My son does it often but I had to ask him to flush it instead because if someone uses it after, there's not enough water to manage properly and you hear "Mom! the toilet's overflowing.' The fluid dynamics of that situation are confusing me. Hope I'm not oversharing, but I'm having a hard time understanding how one relatively brief section of toilet paper would really make much a difference Also, for the record, I am very much a lid closer myself, largely because of my predilection for placing my foot on the commode when drying myself after a shower. Eh, bien. _________________________ Peace, Stu Editor, Sports
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#407615 - Sat Jan 26 2008 09:33 AM Re: Bathroom Etiquette
stuthehistoryguy Prolific Registered: Fri Aug 20 2004 Posts: 1302 Loc: Omaha Nebraska USA	Quote: I don't mind the tissue in the toilet. In fact that is one of my annoyances in the public restrooms when you really have to go to the bathroom and wait in a long line finally get up to the front only to discover that half of the stalls are not being used because there is one piece of paper left in the toilet. Glad to be a man, people, glad to be a man. _________________________ Peace, Stu Editor, Sports
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#407616 - Sat Jan 26 2008 10:05 AM Re: Bathroom Etiquette
delboy22 Prolific Registered: Tue Jun 19 2007 Posts: 1309 Loc: Dijon France via S Wales UK	Lothruin, In the situation you describe, where the safety of a young child is at stake, then yes - I agree with your reasons for wanting the seat left DOWN However, what if it was a MALE child? Would it not then be better to leave the seat UP so as little Johnny doesn't peepee on the seat? _________________________ Quiz author - Crossword author - Proud leader of 'Torrential Reign' - Terry Fords biggest fan - and part-time nice bloke
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#407617 - Sat Jan 26 2008 11:31 AM Re: Bathroom Etiquette
jordandog Forum Champion Registered: Tue Apr 17 2007 Posts: 5097 Loc: Ohio USA	delboy, I can give you a very good reason personally why I appreciate a male putting the seat down. I have a very bad situation with my back and one leg which requires a cane to walk without falling. My soon to be ex-husband would most always leave the seat up. I am tall and thin and not wide in the hips. Try going into a bathroom half-asleep at night and find out that you have not only SLAMMED painfully down halfway INTO the toilet, but now cannot get out without a lot of pain and effort. Then I could look forward to barely being able to walk for days. Upset me? Well yes, especially after years of saying, "Could you PLEASE put the seat down!" Every other male visitor to the house automatically put it down because of me. If they forgot, they went in and took care of it. I believe it would take you once, with a healthy back, to have this happen to you and you would see the other side of the reasoning behind it. My boys and my grandson were taught from the first day of using a toilet to put the seat up before they went and back down when they were finished. Sorry if I sound so vehement, but it can be a safety issue for some of us. Sandy _________________________ The bond that links your true family is not one of blood, but of respect and joy in each other's life. Rarely do members of one family grow up under the same roof.-- Richard Bach [i]Illusions
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#407618 - Sat Jan 26 2008 11:40 AM Re: Bathroom Etiquette
delboy22 Prolific Registered: Tue Jun 19 2007 Posts: 1309 Loc: Dijon France via S Wales UK	Sandy, As I said in my reply to Lothruin - where a persons SAFETY is at stake, then of course that takes priority over any other consideration, and I can understand your anger at your husband for not having that consideration! btw - I too am a registered disabled person, so I am well aware of the dangers that "we" encounter. Edited by delboy22 (Sat Jan 26 2008 11:43 AM) _________________________ Quiz author - Crossword author - Proud leader of 'Torrential Reign' - Terry Fords biggest fan - and part-time nice bloke
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#407619 - Sat Jan 26 2008 12:24 PM Re: Bathroom Etiquette
theresam55 Explorer Registered: Fri Apr 20 2007 Posts: 91 Loc: Pennsylvania USA	We have a well and septic so any savings of water on either end is a good thing. I say leaving the one little tissue there is fine.
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#407620 - Sat Jan 26 2008 12:34 PM Re: Bathroom Etiquette
jordandog Forum Champion Registered: Tue Apr 17 2007 Posts: 5097 Loc: Ohio USA	delboy, My vehemence was NOT directed at you in any way. Please forgive me if it sounded like it was. Sandy _________________________ The bond that links your true family is not one of blood, but of respect and joy in each other's life. Rarely do members of one family grow up under the same roof.-- Richard Bach [i]Illusions
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#407621 - Sat Jan 26 2008 12:44 PM Re: Bathroom Etiquette
delboy22 Prolific Registered: Tue Jun 19 2007 Posts: 1309 Loc: Dijon France via S Wales UK	Sandy - dear lady, I didn't think that for one moment - but I felt that perhaps you may have thought I wasn't giving due consideration to those of "US" with very good reason for "getting a little upset" about the lack of consideration shown by others. I sympathise fully with your situation, I encounter difficulties every day with my disabilities, but I am fortunate to have my son who is my registered carer, and wherever I go, HE goes - and that does sometimes include the bathroom. I have - out of necessity - gained a very altruistic outlook on life, and it irritates ME to see HEALTHY, NORMAL people agonising without good reason, over such pathetic, mundane, insignificant things, as whether or not a toilet seat should be left up or down, or whether it is "politically correct" to flush away a tissue .............. Edited by delboy22 (Sat Jan 26 2008 12:50 PM) _________________________ Quiz author - Crossword author - Proud leader of 'Torrential Reign' - Terry Fords biggest fan - and part-time nice bloke
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#407622 - Sat Jan 26 2008 02:43 PM Re: Bathroom Etiquette
sue943 Administrator Registered: Sun Dec 19 1999 Posts: 38005 Loc: Jersey Channel Islands	Quote: I have - out of necessity - gained a very altruistic outlook on life, and it irritates ME to see HEALTHY, NORMAL people agonising without good reason, over such pathetic, mundane, insignificant things, as whether or not a toilet seat should be left up or down, or whether it is "politically correct" to flush away a tissue .............. Since I was the person who mentioned that leaving the seat up would be more upsetting to me than leaving a tissue unflushed then I guess I ought to be the person to answer you since your comments were definitely aimed at me. 1 I have arthritis 2 I have had a stroke 3 I have two artificial heart valves Then add to that my diabetes, underactive thyroid, deafness, myopia, 'trick knees', kidney stones and something closely related to, if not actually PTSD... I guess that if you consider me to be healthy then heaven help anyone who you consider to have health problems. Edited by sue943 (Sat Jan 26 2008 02:45 PM) _________________________ Many a child has been spoiled because you can't spank a Grandma!
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#407623 - Sat Jan 26 2008 03:12 PM Re: Bathroom Etiquette
delboy22 Prolific Registered: Tue Jun 19 2007 Posts: 1309 Loc: Dijon France via S Wales UK	Quote: Since I was the person who mentioned that leaving the seat up would be more upsetting to me than leaving a tissue unflushed then I guess I ought to be the person to answer you since your comments were definitely aimed at me How DARE you accuse me of that! What gives you the idea that I aimed my comments at YOU! I quite specifically said people who moan WITHOUT GOOD CAUSE - it is a well known fact on this site that YOU are disabled! "I guess that if you consider me to be healthy then heaven help anyone who you consider to have health problems." You have made a wrong assumption, and in so doing have INSULTED a member of this site. If a member did that, they would be BANNED! And now I will probably find that it's ME who is banned for DARING to point out YOUR severe breaching of the rules of conduct that you yourself so religiously enforce! TOTAL HYPOCRISY Edited by delboy22 (Sat Jan 26 2008 03:30 PM) _________________________ Quiz author - Crossword author - Proud leader of 'Torrential Reign' - Terry Fords biggest fan - and part-time nice bloke
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#407624 - Sat Jan 26 2008 03:39 PM Re: Bathroom Etiquette
sue943 Administrator Registered: Sun Dec 19 1999 Posts: 38005 Loc: Jersey Channel Islands	Excuse me but scrolll back to the post you made in which you said... Quote: Quote: I would be more upset if you left the seat up than if you didn't flush away a tissue. WHY? What POSSIBLE harm does leaving the seat up do? I would be more concerned about the cleanliness of the toilet and surrounding area - leaving the seat up or down would be the LEAST of my worries ......... Sorry if I am not "politically correct" ...........but as picqero said - some of you people would do well to learn a bit about how "the other half" live, before you start worrying about whether to leave the seat up or down .......... or the terrible worry of whether you should flush away a tissue ....... You will notice you not only quoted me but replied directly to my post. _________________________ Many a child has been spoiled because you can't spank a Grandma!
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