I'm not going to look online - I guess I'll just watch the first half of next episode!

I've never seen a British one in Canada, but I have seen the American ones.

David, they had an extra "season" (BB9) because of the writers' strike--something they could produce since the writers for the 'reality' shows aren't in the same union.
I don't think they're going to have that many a year from now on. (At least I certainly hope not, that would get a little tedious, I think. )

I don't believe they've shown yours in the US, but I have caught some bits and pieces of some on Youtube.

Thanks taesma, I remember the story now. I thought of having it on all year round and then Germany did one, although of course they changed the members round regularly. I think the concept of winner now really doesn't matter as the good ones always do well when they leave anyway. I'm far more interested in the personalities and the only benefit of winners is we see more of them as they stay till the end. I have to own up to having my own video on Youtube with a Big Brother member from last year watching this year's.

Me and Jonty

Hmmm. If only one could reliably read minds? What exactly was Dan thinking ? If his idea was to get Memphis out, I think he's managed THAT very neatly (depending on Veto developments). If his idea is to keep Memphis in and target Jerry? Well, I don't understand that at all because I'd say that people in there, when forced to consider who's more threatening than who, ain't going to run screaming out of "mighty" ol' Colonel's frightening prescence . If Memphis saves himself on Tuesday? Um ... I'd rather be anybody than be Dan with Memphis after me from now until one of 'em gets the boot. Am I seeing this all wrong? Had it been me, I'd have erred on the side of Dan's Dad's [imagined] advice . Broken my word in a New York second (it isn't like Mr. Dan's never done so before, after all, and lived to tell) and put Ollie up there with Memphis? I'm not, by a mile, suggesting that'd have been the best thing to do, but it's what I would've done. Seems like it would be much easier to have Ollie and Michelle feeling betrayed (I'm still of the mind that neither of them seem formidable, in any long-range sense) than to have Memphis gunning for me as a "more preferrable" option two weeks from now, if things don't go as planned . And if Ollie DOES get to pick a *block* replacement , using Dan as a mouthpiece? Dan's going to have all of his alleged "allies" after his head!? Making that deal (while getting pitched wildly up against a brick wall, no less) didn't seem as dumb to me as I was expecting it to. KEEPING that deal (I know, I know ... a man's word is important, but we're talking "Big Brother" here ) was pretty daffy. No, it was completely daffy. And (in my opinion) way too risky.

Then there's that "double eviction" coming, too, which will mix everything up, no matter what happens at the Veto challenge. If Memphis goes first, my gut feeling is that Dan will be going out shortly after on Thursday. If Jerry goes first? I'm thinking Dan will STILL go out shortly after .

But [*sigh*], if I remember the Bible correctly, didn't 'Judas' ultimately hang himself? Ugh.

He gave out far too much in that deal. He should have left it at "I won't put you up", especially when he's talking about how great he feels.

He's overdoing the weak thing. This late in the game it's not going to help him.

Here's the thing, though--if the others vote along 'party lines', which I think Dan may be counting on, then it should be Renny and Keesha voting for Jerry to go and Michelle and Ollie voting for Memphis to go. In which case Dan has the tie-breaking vote and he'd vote to evict Jerry, if he is staying true to Memphis...remember what he said to him at the nominations, "some may think you're a vagabond, some think you're a Renegade". He let Memphis know that he's still in his alliance. He also said he was trying to cover the tracks of his secret alliance and nominating his fellow alliance-mate is one way to do it. I think Dan is taking some very calculated but dangerous risks. For one thing, it looks like Memphis's feelings may be more hurt than Dan is counting on. Memphis needs to 'logic up' and see what Dan is trying to do and not take it so personally.
And if whoever wins POV decides (stupidly) to take Jerry off the block, Dan always has the option of going back on that part of the deal if the replacement nominee that Ollie wants is not someone he wants out.
The gigantic wrench in the works here is that double eviction which Dan has no way of knowing about. That could turn things on their ear right quick.

Dan just seems to be making things up as he goes along. Which maybe is how he needed to get through in the begining when he was connected to Brian and had a target on him. But at some point he has to stick to a plan and stop going week to week.

Well, now, see, that there is what makes horse races. Personally I think that this is the kind of game where you can't make a plan and stick to it. I think the ability to think on your feet and adjust to changing situations is an asset here. Things change too quickly to be dogmatic about a strategy.
Just my opinion, of course.

If Ollie or Michelle won it, they'd probably take jerry off and tell Dan to put Keesha up.

Then he has a very tough decision. Do I screw over my alliance or break my word?

If that would happen, it really shouldn't be a difficult decision for Dan. First of all Dan's alliance has the half of the vote with Dan breaking a potential tie anyway so Memphis should feel somewhat confident, I do understand his anger towards Dan right now his own alliance isn't happy with him right now. The only downside is that Dan will have one person mad at him next week but that's just it one person, just by numbers alone he should put up Michelle or Ollie and he was already talking about sticking with his alliance anyway even though he might be the first to go in that group after his performance this week. On paper, Dan's deal might've been a good one if the house had more people but with so few of them now, it is just plain stupid you need all of the power you can get at this point. I would love to see Ollie or Michelle going home this week, they thought they were safe this week and then just get backdoored, that would be quite entertaining. Dan tried to seem weak even with power, all he did was make his allies angry at him. Watch out for Jerry if he does get off the block, everyone might just ignore him until the end and we might see our oldest reality show finalist. I hope not though he doesn't deserve it.

With it now Jerry and Michelle on the block I think Dan's alliance is 100% behind him again. Except maybe Renny being upset at him playing his veto meeting game, if she finds out from Ollie that Dan asked him to say Renny's name. Which is possible, but might blow over when looking at the big picture.

Michelle I am sure is on a rampage in the house since the veto meeting. Ollie is probably upset, but not as much since he isn't on the block.

Since there are two evictions tomorrow that will cut them down to five left, how might it go tomorrow?


If Michelle stays she has a good chance of winning P.O.V. and I see Dan and Keesha going on the block.

Ollie would put up Dan and Memphis.

Jerry, if he stays, would put up Memphis and either Dan or Keesha.

Keesha and Memphis would put up Jerry/Michelle and Ollie.

Renny is unkonwn, but if she puts up either Ollie or Jerry as one of the two, then Ollie or Jerry would go home no matter what. She would have to either put up Ollie and Jerry/Michelle or put up two of the three people from he current alliance, which is extremely risky.

By end of next Thursday they will have the final four in place.

Now, that was a mighty entertaining episode last night indeed ! It's SO hard to try and foresee what will happen next (what with this mysterious "double eviction" looming, and what'll play into how it happens), but even if ol' Dan effectively shot himself in the foot - heck, it could be that he didn't stop at just a shot, he might have blown his entire foot right off his leg - he served up a watchable hour on Tuesday night. I loved that no-nonsense "Wham, Bam" at the Veto meeting, the "Ollie, you lose. Michelle, you're on the block" sucker punch. And Michelle's (typically hysterical and nicely bleeped) proclamation that she knew exactly what was going on? Well, yeah, by then she DID have a slight grip on events as they were unfolding since they'd already unfolded! Too bad she hadn't opened up her [brilliant?] mind to those possibilities before they happened, eh? Thursday night ought to be fun, too, especially watching she and Ollie having tantrums in tandem (and watching Dan hide behind Memphis, avoiding hurled furniture, every chance he gets). It's really quite a giggle fest, for this viewer, to watch all these "adults" acting like this. It seems pretty clear who stood the best chance of NOT getting picked on (and/or who likely got bullied all the time) on the playground at the age of 7 . Dan did get lucky, though, given that Veto challenge and its results. But (now knowing that he didn't plan to honor that crazy deal to begin with, thank heavens) I reckon it wouldn't have mattered all that much? Memphis OFF the block makes for a calmer and more reliable Memphis, though, I'm sure. Which (while he's there and as long as he's there) is definitely a useful thing. Seems to me that almost all the (alleged) power is and has been in his lap. As long as it stays that way, it bodes very well for Keesha and Renny, don't you think? Memphis is smart and "plays well". He'll get his buddy Dan out of the way as soon as he can. Unless Dan gets HIM gone first, yes?

Veddy interesting ...

By starting to make enemies Dan may have put him in a spot to go to the final two. Renny getting along with everyone, makes her a severe liability to take to the final two. If Ollie, Jerry or Michelle end up in the final two they will have three automatic votes, the other two and April. So they are liabilities to keep in the house for someone wanting to win. It is getting time to start worrying about who could beat you in the final two.

Which will be just as important as how much you like or dislike another player.

I agree Dan does make things more interesting in a non childish bickering way that was the norm. If Brian had lasted longer I think he would have also been one who was interesting for viewers.

D**n it anyway! I was all ready to watch this, popcorn/Mountain Dew in hand, settled in comfortably, and the phone rang 5 minutes into the show. I had to take the call, a friend in a major state of distress(far more important to me than BB), and made myself turn off the TV so I was not distracted. I get on here and see this from Gats: "Now, that was a mighty entertaining episode last night indeed!" Aaarrgghh! So, I guess one thing I had hoped for came through? Dan didn't stick by the *Michelle not going up* plan. That's a relief, but now I do think that Memphis will get rid of Danny Boy just as fast as he can. Ollie had me a bit annoyed with his 'I have all the power in hand', so maybe I'll jump online and see if I can catch his reaction when Michelle was sacrificed.

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She's a peach. Here's an interesting little factoid that wasn't really made clear with the editing--I don't know if you caught it in the midst of the ranting, but what she said is she knows Dan's "a plant". She and some of the others are totally convinced that Dan is working for BB and that the show put him in there and is telling him what to do. Hence, why he does such "weird" things. If they're going to show her saying that, they really ought to explain it a little better, I think.
I wish this would be edited a little better to show just how psycho some of these people are. As entertaining as they are, they're even more funny without the producers trying to manipulate how we perceive them. Michelle is a real paranoid nut.

Oh, and Sandy, sorry I didn't say hi back, I got carried away with the BB shenanigans. Um, HI!

From what they showed on edited version they started getting the idea Dan was a plant the week that he actually was America's Player. Many of them April and Jerry included alluded to Dan possibly being America's player that week Jessie was eliminated.

Besides, they haven't had that big twist everyone is used to and the housemates are counting on being part of this season. I guess that is the twist this season, no big twist, which would probably drive any housemate familiar with the show nuts, looking for the big twist.

A bit tiring just watching all that last night, yes? I can't imagine those folks being squarely in the middle of it . It ALL worked out to my satisfaction (as a viewer, anyway). Even though nobody asked me for it , here's my take/theory on the rest of the crazy "game". First of all, it's safe to say the game is finally "on" now. No longer a series of hysterics and popularity schmoozing amongst the houseguests (at least I hope not). Memphis pointed it out nicely - it's down to 'every man for himself'. Hallelujah to that. So, given the dynamics as they've led to "now", the only three who have actually played a size-it-up-and-spit-it-out *competition* [at all] would be Renny, Memphis and Dan. Those last two are almost TOO strong - and will likely zap themselves as they (sensibly) go after each other. It might be said that taking Dan into the Final Two would easily mean that the one he's up against is the sure-fire winner. But I'm not so sure, at this point. He's awfully good at making his shenanigans either make perfect sense OR at making them not sound like *his fault*. Nobody's going to want to go up against Keesha in a vote, I'd think. Renny might get more votes than her, but I doubt any of the others would. And Keesha's still, in my opinion, not a formidable player (BUT a lucky survivor, holding on tight to the right people at the right times). So (pardon my wind here - just thinking out loud ) I'd suspect evicting Keesha and Memphis ASAP would be "smart". Maybe not likely, but very smart. Dan? Who knows? He's screwed over everybody, so far, on the jury. Unless he has a major trick up his (passive/aggressive) sleeve, I can't see him winning. Which [and I'm shocked to even consider it, given how things started and have travelled since] leaves Jerry and Renny in very prime real estate ? My hunch is that either would win, up against Dan. If they're up against each other? Imagine it?! That crazy gal from New Orleans wins "Big Brother 10"!

Naturally, any number of unexpected things could happen in the next few weeks ... but on pecking order/"skill" alone, that'd be my (unnecessary ) appraisal. I'd personally be OK if any of 'em win it, since they brought such different MOs to the house. Except Jerry. If he wins I may have to spit because he deserves it the very least (and I think he's annoying, too, times ten). Memphis played the "best" game, Dan played the "craftiest" one, Keesha played the "nicest" one and Renny played the most "watchful/enjoyable" one. Interested to hear how wrong that all sounds to you others over here, though . It's such a weird game schematic! Predicting anything is less than a logical project, by a mile ...

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My only quibble with that would be that I wouldn't be so sure about Dan not winning if it came down to him and anybody else. Darn near every season, the jurors vote for who played the best game, even though it always seems the game is played mostly on personality and alliances and all that 'stuff'. Like being in the jury house clears their heads or something and they actually look at who had strategy.
Also I personally don't think Memphis has played much of a game, but I'd be interested in hearing why other people think so because it seems a lot of people do.

That stuff with Ollie blowing up and Michelle ranting and stuff was funny but they left out a lot--mostly because there were too many obscenities, probably. At one point Michelle was yelling at the cameras, telling them to stop following her around. Pretty hysterical.
Anyway, pretty enjoyable show last night, I thought.
Game on!

"I personally don't think Memphis has played much of a game"
I agree, he hasn't. In that Headlines challenge last night, I was amazed how poorly he did. It was almost as if he was deliberately 'not' playing. My annoyance with Ollie's touting of having all the power certainly was satisfied, even though he knew he was gone. I did get a good laugh and yelled a few things to him as he walked/ran off. I believe it is going to come down to Renny and Dan as the final two. As I said, this is my first BB experience, and if Jerry just happens to win it, I will be very disappointed. He is annoying times 20 (I'll up you, Gats ) and we have known from the beginning how old you are Jerry, you do not need to keep reminding us. His poor wife...

[*Knocks self in head*] I was reading the posts and got to thinking about the question: "Why DO I think Memphis is a *good* player ?" He certainly isn't the smartest. Not exactly overwhelmed in the 'charisma' department, either. He's great at physical challeges ... but not so much that he wins all of them, or anything. And then I figured it out! Without really meaning to, I look at all those houseguests as if they were some bizarre version of a staff in one of my stores and I was in a position to name one of them "Employee of the Month" (or some other silly 'honor' that managers bestow on unsuspecting crew members periodically, just to keep morale/competitive spirit up ). Without question, I'd give said 'badge' to Memphis. He'd be able to unload a truck capably one minute, and then adequately wait on three customers sensibly (and they'd like him) the next. He wouldn't go out of his way to make anybody look anything, bad or good, as he got his duties taken care of. He's got just enough of an "edge" to make his co-workers respect him, without having those soft edges that many would take advantage of while things need done. Nobody'd call him any nasty names (deserved or not) because he'd be equal-opportunity in coming after them for doing it - and he'd also not like it when other people called anybody else uncalled-for things, either. If I left the store in the hands of a group of workers to handle in my abscence? I'd be very confidant to leave the responsibilities to a crew with Memphis on the sales floor because I know it'd be a smooth shift indeed. I reckon, then, he's my idea of a "good player" because it all seems so much more like gut-solid instinct with him to make things work. Keesha'd be off on the sales floor flirting and keeping people happy. Jerry'd be swapping Korean War stories with anybody unlucky enough to have to listen. Dan would be busily figuring out a way to dump all his share of duties onto Keesha and Memphis . And Renny? She'd be saying 'hi' and 'bye' as customers came and went happily (allowing herself to be considered responsible for the store top-to-bottom - knowing full well nothing that's happening, right or wrong, has a tinkers dam to do with her in the least ... but nobody else needs to know that ).

Sorry. Strange as that all probably sounds, THAT'S the reason I think Memphis is strong at the game. He's so solid, unflappable and reliably UN-extraordinary that it all seems quite extraordinary as he does it?

Yikes. And after reading that? I think I need to start getting out more, or something. Too many gray cells spent, never to return, on a weird little house on TV ....

After returning from a near two week vacation I had five hour BB marathon last night. Dan seems to be enjoying the Puppetmaster role a bit too much for my taste, going way out of his way to create tension among the rest of the houseguests in an effort to keep his hands clean, Michelle paid for Ollie's maneuverings and Ollie complained of public embarrassment followed by a temper tantrum. He was a dud in my opinion, and now that it's down to five.

I can't believe Jerry and Renny have outlasted everyone this long as well and by sheer dumb luck Jerry has HoH again; For Jerry to think he'll make it to the final two with Memphis is ambitious. Memphis has hung in there for a surprisingly long time given how he's had a target on his back since the first day, he's not that strong a physical player and only seems to be good at wearing V-neck t-shirts. Jerry's days are numbered, dare I say he's living on borrowed time? I will not be surprised if the next HoH competition is another physical one as he cannot participate but the heat will likely be turned up for the next Veto comp and Jerry just can't hang with the younger kids.

I would love to see Renny win once more and put Dan and Memphis up. She's a straight shooter and a surprisingly shrewd player, she was so irritated with Dan's BB Roulette Game (as was I, what was the point of that anyway?) and can have her revenge! I'm also pulling for Keesha over Dan and Memphis as well, though it's too close to call at this stage.

Never have I seen someone make an entrance while exiting the BB House quite the way Renny did tonight. I was sorry to see either girl get evicted but Renny showed pure class by hugging everyone before leaving and giving Keesha extra love on her way out. She is one great lady and I will miss seeing her. At this point I don't care who wins, unless it's Keesha but even still without Renny I won't watch with any real interest.

I agree. Renny is terrific (and, after all that game playing in there and even her little lapses into neurotic-bordering-on-psychotic bits at first) I think that, with her, went a sizable chunk of the heart-and-soul of the season this time. I was really hoping that it might happen that Dan and Memphis would face off sooner than they've had a chance to and end up vaporizing each other (OK, that'd probably take a miracle to happen at this point ) and leave Miss Renny in the catbird's seat. It all went to heck as soon as that (pardon my disrespect here ...) disjointed Jerry got HOH last week . It's not that he had any choice but to put Renny *up*, of course, as it all shook down - but if he hadn't gotten that position in the first place it'd have been (HUGELY more deservedly) him on the couch with Julie Chen last night. Granted, given Renny's proclivity for not winning challenges, odds are that she wouldn't have lasted. But, still. To see her go (and with such a graceful and genuine exit, as she did it) knowing that the crusty ol' Colonel is still there is disturbing. Sensible roll of the dice (in terms of a game), but a very non-sensical turn of events (in terms of fairness and "life") .

And what's up (he really galls me worse weekly ) with Jerry and all this "I'll get retribution" (re: Memphis and 'breaking his word' ~ imagine such an unexpected thing such as that happening on "Big Brother", especially at this juncture of the game)? One would think he truly believes he's the reincarnation of General Patton, let loose on Encino?! Good heavens, there's something to be said for luck (I suppose), but he's had more than his due share of it, if you ask me. The unfamiliar would watch and think he somehow scratched and dug in his way to an ace position in the Final Four. He didn't. He just sat around blustering for weeks, quite fortunate that others had more power to threaten with while they blustered a little bit less forgettably. If he wins the POV this time, I may have to go out there to California and take matters into my own hands indeed ...

Right now Dan is the only one who is assured to be in the final three. The winner of the veto meeting will also be in the final three, as well as the person the veto winner chooses to move onto the last competition.

The first part of the final competition is always physical, so I don't see Jerry or Keesha winning that part. So going into part three of the final competition you will have either Dan or Memphis facing off against someone else.
Watching Keesha completely bomb yesterdays HoH makes me think if she is in stage three that she won't win. Being alone as he has been in the house, I don't know if Jerry has that reserve to keep it together to win the veto this week or either of the first two parts of the final competition.

I see Dan as the most likely person to be in the final two right now, but is there anyone he could put himself next to, that he could beat in the final vote?

After seeing the jurors in the jury house last night, they still seem to be holding personal grudges against the current house guests, I thought they were just mean in the house for strategy but then again you never know what else they say, they only show us a small portion of their time in the jury house maybe they'll realize that they should vote for the best player because after all this is a game whether they liked that person or not. They don't seem to hate Jerry or Memphis so Dan would probably lose to either of them in the final two if they kept their votes personal. I think Dan probably would win against Keesha, her only guaranteed vote is Renny.

I do hope Dan wins it all, in my mind he was the best player in the game. He played the weak player card in the beginning and then all of a sudden start winning competitions and thinking of interesting strategies to say the least. We still have to wait to see if his strategies were successful but it got him this far maybe it will take him to the end. Memphis had an OK strategy, he was always calm cool and collective and he did win competitions when he had to, he still has yet to win HOH though. I just don't want to see Jerry or Keesha win it all, they both were unbelievably lucky to get to the final four alone. I can't wait for next Tuesday to see how this all goes down.