#436656 - Sat Aug 23 2008 06:02 PM
"All of these answers"
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I believe that a quiz with the answer to any questions is "all of these answers" as correct is very poor. If all of these answers are correct then none of them are wrong - therefore any of the answers should be marked correct.
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#436659 - Sun Aug 24 2008 12:52 AM
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It is an essential characteristic of multiple-choice tests that, if there is more than one correct answer, then one chooses the BEST or most correct answer.
There is no rule that says all of the answers, except one, must be incorrect.
Any high school student can tell you that.
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#436660 - Sun Aug 24 2008 02:16 AM
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In educational measurement and evaluation, for questions with "all of these" or "none of these" options, they are considered not good. Questions like these will be answered correctly by test-wise students. For example, let say you are given option X, Y, Z and all of these. Then, you know X and Y are correct but you are not sire about Z. So definitely you will go for "all of these". But this is FUNtrivia. Everybody likes to get points for answering correctly. 
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#436662 - Sun Aug 24 2008 08:18 AM
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I have also taken quizzes where 'all of these answers' is an incorrect answer choice, so you shouldn't be fooled by them.
While I agree that these questions can be overdone, I think that there can a place for an 'all of these' answer in a well written quiz. If the quiz is doing a good job of teaching me about a subject that I knew little about, I appreciate the fact that this type of answer will teach me three new things about the topic. I especially enjoy it when one of those answer choices is so bizarre (even if true) as to make me wonder, before checking 'all of the above', if it can really be true.
The types of question that I don't like are the ones that set out to trick you. These give an incorrect answer choice that is so close to the correct answer you click on it and are shocked when you get it wrong. I also don't like questions where all of the incorrect answers are so close to the the correct answer it becomes a guessing game. I see this a lot in questions about dates. Did it happen on Oct 11, Oct 12, Oct 13 or Oct 14, sort of thing.
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#436663 - Sun Aug 24 2008 09:42 AM
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"I see this a lot in questions about dates. Did it happen on Oct 11, Oct 12, Oct 13 or Oct 14, sort of thing."
That's one reason why, in my categories I don't allow questions about dates (or any other numerical data.)
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#436664 - Sun Aug 24 2008 04:52 PM
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Loc: Birmingham England UK
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I see the problem of "all of these answers" is that it does not teach - instead these answer is selected without reading the question. I worked in education and for two exam boards for many years and this style would not have made it onto an exam paper
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#436667 - Sun Aug 24 2008 05:11 PM
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I realise that - I was answering the post by mothergoose - one of the objects of the quizzes is to educate - not my idea but that of the administrators. If I asked you which of these was a letter of the alphabet A, B, C, or all of them - which is the wrong answer, they are all correct?
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#436668 - Sun Aug 24 2008 05:19 PM
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What was origially meant to be something of a lighthearted comment along the lines of logic does seem to have stirred up some antipathy
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#436671 - Sun Aug 24 2008 06:01 PM
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I think Lieberkuhn haa summed it up perfectly
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#436676 - Mon Aug 25 2008 07:24 AM
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veronikka I think that some of the issues you deal with in FITB questions are there to forestall Correction Notes. I know I often give more than one possible corect answer for that very reason. Using your example of PAYDAY, since that is the proper way to spell the answer (if memory serves me it's a chocolate bar - right?) then that would be my first choice in the answer box and the hint box would automatically generate a 'One word' clue. However if I didn't also allow PAY DAY, I would get all kinds of correction notes from people who would loudly complain that they shouldn't have been cheated out of ten points simply because they put a space between the words. You would be amazed at how rude some people can get for only 10 points! So, my answer box would probably read 'PAYDAY & PAY DAY' even though the hint would only say (One word).
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#436679 - Mon Aug 25 2008 11:53 PM
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Yes, the discription is pertfect, maninmidohio. This just seems sillier, and sillier, but the fact is, I changed my answer to (lets say "mounds") because the clue was ONE WORD. Not 'possibly' TWO words.  I'm just saying, if the answer might give a 'one, two' correct, there shouldn't be one at all, OR give both possibilities IN THE CLUE, not the answer. By then, it's too late!
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#436680 - Tue Aug 26 2008 08:50 AM
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I'm sorry but I'm not sure I understand the point you're trying to make. If the answer was PAYDAY and the hint said (One Word) then everything was correct. Forgive me if I'm wrong, but it sounds like you wanted the quiz writer to not only allow PAY DAY, which is essentially a wrong answer as spelling does count in FITB answers, but to also put it in the hint. This could get really out of hand for some answers, with hints maybe having to say (One, Two or Three words), for example, which does become silly. I can see saying One or Two words for two ways of writing the correct answer (as I've seen in some Brain Teaser quizzes), but not for allowing what is essentially an incorrect answer.
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