#447889 - Fri Nov 28 2008 08:41 AM
India's 9/11
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Loc: Kolkata India
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Mumbai under siege We have had several bomb blasts in India, communal riots, floods, drought - each deadly in its own way. But for the first time ever, India faces a form of attack which we've never faced before. It's almost as if we are living in the middle ages when gun-toting men could just barge in, shoot whatever and whoever they like and move away. They've targeted the posh hotels - almost as if to show that no one is immune. Large number of hostages have been taken - the army's trying to fight them, repeated gunfire, constant explosions. It's war - suddenly Mumbai has become a war-zone. May God protect us all. Angi
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#447890 - Fri Nov 28 2008 08:51 AM
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The news reports I've been seeing about this (bad enough to watch, but I'm sure it's much worse than what we get to see) are beyond disturbing! I can't think of anything "right" to say to everyone in India. Just that my prayers/well wishes are with you and your plight. Seems like chaos let loose. All over the city!
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#447891 - Fri Nov 28 2008 09:11 AM
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I'm glued to the television - it's so awful but I can't not watch. Like Gatsby722, I don't know what to say but you are all in my prayers.
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#447892 - Fri Nov 28 2008 09:35 AM
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Such an awful few days there. I've been watching this on TV and pray that all our FT friends are safe.
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#447893 - Sat Nov 29 2008 12:20 AM
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Shocking stuff. Thanks to cricket I know a few of our Indian contingent through our thread in the sport forum - so Deepak, Srini and Angi - I'm thinking of you these last few days. There was one from Mumbai as well a while ago, Harish, but he hasn't posted for ages.
How hard it must haver been for the Indian officials to try and fight it at so many places.
Australian wise there are two confirmed dead and 37 missing. Hopfully they are sitting somewhere else in India not realising the fuss they're making.
Edited by Copago (Sat Nov 29 2008 12:33 AM)
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#447894 - Sat Nov 29 2008 01:19 AM
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Registered: Sat Sep 15 2001
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Loc: Adelaide SA Australia
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I'm heading to India in about two weeks!
Terrible stuff. Just keep asking the same questions everytime these things happen. Why do they? and How could they?
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#447896 - Sat Nov 29 2008 11:09 AM
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May the suffering of all beings end.
Namaste, ara
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#447897 - Sat Nov 29 2008 12:14 PM
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Registered: Fri May 18 2001
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Another fine op-ed piece in the NY Times I read this morning. I (personally) thought it a very heartful and sensible reaction to the mayhem in India these past days. I suspect that there are no "right" or "wrong" reactions to such things, though - it all depends on where it affects a person how, on their own individual bases ~ but I think it makes for a good read, if nothing else. Hope and quiet power and fierce determination are all good things, however. No matter where one lives and no matter how much horror one has experienced. *What They Hate About Mumbai*
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#447898 - Sun Nov 30 2008 12:02 AM
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Registered: Wed Jun 11 2003
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Loc: Kolkata India
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Harish has just emailed me saying he and his relatives and friends are alright. Gatsby, I just read that NYT report and it has left it with tears in my eyes. That article has so beautifully captured the Mumbaiya spirit - our Mumbai, aamchi Mumbai. And this paragraph just sums it up: Quote:
Mumbai is a “soft target,” the terrorism analysts say. Anybody can walk into the hotels, the hospitals, the train stations, and start spraying with a machine gun. Where are the metal detectors, the random bag checks? In Mumbai, it’s impossible to control the crowd. In other cities, if there’s an explosion, people run away from it. In Mumbai, people run toward it — to help. Greater Mumbai takes in a million new residents a year. This is the problem, say the nativists. The city is just too hospitable. You let them in, and they break your heart.
Come on attack us, fiends. Go on trying to destroy us. We will not be cowed down. Beat us, try and hammer us into submission - and "like dust, we will still rise"...
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#447899 - Sun Nov 30 2008 04:40 AM
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Oh Angi, NOW who has tears?! I am glad Harish is OK. Thanks for that.
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#447900 - Sun Nov 30 2008 05:34 AM
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I am glad to hear that Harish is fine.
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#447902 - Sun Nov 30 2008 11:56 AM
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Good to see you guys back, it's been too long and very pleased you're both OK and your families.
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#447903 - Sun Nov 30 2008 12:39 PM
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It is wonderful to see our Indian friends coming in to reassure us. We know many of you are heavy duty into your exams and studies but it's good to hear that you are ok.
I've checked on my family members over there and they are ok. The place they work/go to school has posted a message.
I haven't met with my Gujarati student this week, but I'm hoping that being from Mumbai, the news won't be bad for her family over there.
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#447904 - Tue Dec 02 2008 01:45 AM
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Registered: Wed Jun 11 2003
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Loc: Kolkata India
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And here's the follow-up, as usual the blame-game has started.
Pakistan is thought to be behind the attack. The attacks are supposed to be orchestared by the Laskhar-E-Taiba, a branch of the ISI (correct me, if I'm wrong.). One terrorist was caught alive and he has admitted that they have been trained in Pakistan. In India, there has been an immediate aftermath. The more impulsive ones are crying "Let's attack Pakistan, now and tear them apart." The common people are at the moment, livid with the government for its inept handling of the situation. News reports have suggested that intelligence agencies had informed the Maharasthra govt that they were getting indications of this kind of attack. The common man on the street and I am a part of that, cannot fathom why, even after such a warning, these terrorists were so successful. At the moment, there is tension between India and Pakistan, derailing the manufactured peace of the last five years. India and Pakistan are both nuclear-armed states, a war between them is likely to be destructive on a large scale.
To our US friends, what exactly is the general mood regarding this issue over there? I mean, US has been a supporter of India (the recent US-India Nuke Deal) so it says it will support India regarding the Pakistani problem. But what are the papers over there saying - do they also conform to the belief that there is a Pakistani hand behind this? Also, on an unrelated note, is there a reason why international news agencies (BBC, NYT) are not using the term "terrorist" and instead calling them "militants" or "gunmen”? Because, if these guys are not terrorists, I don't know what are!
Angi.
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#447905 - Tue Dec 02 2008 03:07 AM
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My thoughts and prayers are with you all and with the families who lost loved ones too. It seems there are very few places safe places left on this earth. How sad.
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#447906 - Tue Dec 02 2008 07:24 AM
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They're terrorists over here mate.
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#447907 - Tue Dec 02 2008 08:58 AM
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Our thoughts are with you and all your families.
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#447908 - Tue Dec 02 2008 10:18 AM
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The BBC have some sort of selective blindness where certain terrorist groups are sympathised with so no longer called what they actually are. Whose hand is guiding this decision remains something of a mystery but does demonstrate a definite collusion somewhere behind the scenes otherwise they would not reduce the seriousness of what is really the most serious of all crimes, murdering innocent people in cold blood.
Edited by satguru (Tue Dec 02 2008 10:18 AM)
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#447911 - Wed Dec 03 2008 05:00 PM
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Yes, Janetgool I was so upset at the report of that little mite, the son of the Rabbi and his wife , left an orphan. So tragic.
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#447912 - Fri Dec 05 2008 03:46 AM
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Registered: Sun May 21 2000
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Another example of man's inhumanity to man with innocents as the spoils of the conflict.
What, if any, are the goals of the terrorists? Is it part of the ongoing India/Pakistan hostilities? Were westerners the only targets?
PLEASE tell me it's not a 'my God's better than your God' attack!
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#447913 - Fri Dec 05 2008 10:41 AM
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Registered: Wed Jun 11 2003
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Loc: Kolkata India
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PLEASE tell me it's not a 'my God's better than your God' attack!
Don't these terrorists always act under this kind of pretext? They call themselves 'jihadis', 'fidayeen' and think of themselves as 'saviours of Islam'?
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What, if any, are the goals of the terrorists? Is it part of the ongoing India/Pakistan hostilities? Were westerners the only targets?
Well, India and Pakistan were actually having cordial relations since 2001. I say 'cordial' because it is quite clear that it was a manufactured peace, eyewash to convince the entire world. Right now, the main reason India is angry is due to continued inaction of Pakistan against the various terrorist camps located there. There is also the feeling that these terrorists’ camps are actually hand-in-hand with the Pakistani army. Otherwise, why else have Pakistan have continously dithered on taking any kind of concrete action?
Westerners were certainly targets, but they were not the only ones. By attacking two hi-end hotels, the terrorists attacked the rich and affluent which obviously includes various foreigners. 173 people have died out of which 21 are foreigners. This is now adding to the perception that like Iraq, Pakistan, Afghanistan, India is also turning into an unsafe country for foreigners. I assure you that is not the case, most of us Indians consider our visitors very precious and we always try to be warm and cordial towards them.
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