#462063 - Tue Mar 03 2009 12:14 AM
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I've just been watching the news, Deepak, and did wonder if this was originally planned as an attack on the Indian side. That could have been a totally different story altogether.
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#462065 - Tue Mar 03 2009 01:50 AM
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Just imagine if the player injured was Tendulkar .
Deepak I am very sympathetic about this awful attack, but am puzzled that you should single out just one player here. Surely there would be concern at an injury to any person, not just the more famous ones?
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#462066 - Tue Mar 03 2009 01:56 AM
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I really don't think Deepak meant any disrespect or any lighening of the subject but what he says does have some truth to it. Sachin Tendulka is the most revered of Indian cricketers and I do believe that if this attack had happened to Indians then what happened to Tendulka in that attack would have some impact on what the reaction would be.
Not saying it is right but it is the truth.
Reports now that several Pakistani policemen and two civilians have lost their lives.
I can't believe how terrorists think that any sort of attack can attract sympathy for their cause?
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#462068 - Tue Mar 03 2009 03:14 AM
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How sad when it is not safe for a sport team to go and play in another country. We just get over one tragedy in the world and there is another.
My sympathies to all those who have lost loved ones in this attack.
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#462070 - Tue Mar 03 2009 07:24 AM
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While we can be concerned for the injured Sri Lankans (it's my understanding)lets remember five policeman were killed protecting them.
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#462071 - Tue Mar 03 2009 08:28 AM
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While we can be concerned for the injured Sri Lankans (it's my understanding)lets remember five policeman were killed protecting them.
Yes, absolutely! If it was not for those five, we would have had serious casualties.
And the channels are now saying that the fourth umpire is in a critical condition and in the ICU. It is sad that the media ignored this piece of news in the morning and focussed only on the cricketers. I hope he recovers quickly.
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#462072 - Wed Mar 04 2009 05:32 AM
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Pakistan is stumped. Eight people, including six policemen and two civilians, were killed and six players of the visiting Sri Lankan cricket team were injured. India expressed shock at the audacious attack on Sri Lankan cricketers in Lahore. Dhoni and Vettori were completely shocked. This is one of the worst attack on Cricketers. It could have been the 26//11 attack if any of the player would have died. My deep condolences to the ones who have lost their loved ones in this attack. Immediate steps should be now taken and all the countries should now join forces to eliminate the terror. CRICKETERS TERRORISED 
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#462073 - Tue Mar 10 2009 01:18 AM
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I read about this just recently and I find it upsetting (to say the least). As I said on another website I frequent (eliminating profanity for your sakes):
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We should have let India nuke Pakistan a LONG time ago. We wouldn't be in half this mess.
Iraq invasion was BS. That was like going after the purse snatcher while letting Richard Ramirez run rampant.
Considering what is going on in Pakistan lately (basically their gov't telling us to pound sand in the fight against terrorism), Obama actually isn't far off in his approach. It is what Bush SHOULD have done. Instead of diverting our efforts in Iraq, we should be neutron bombing both Afghanistan (screw the CIA and their heroin profits - they've made enough money to this day, they can find alternate sources of income) and Pakistan to oblivion. Do what it takes. Don't even put one troop on the ground. Death from above. Make them realize what hardball terrorism really is.
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#462075 - Tue Mar 10 2009 07:28 AM
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I think that maybe if you "nuke" a country you may find that millions of innocent people living there die too.
But with such a bombastic know-it-all approach, maybe you have found a way round that problem? Do tell.
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#462076 - Tue Mar 10 2009 09:11 AM
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I also find the above post by Schoonie101 to be very offensive. Would a moderator please remove it?
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#462077 - Tue Mar 10 2009 09:21 AM
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Do you have any other suggestions on dealing with Pakistan? Their government has made no efforts in cooperating with either the US or the UK in rooting out the terrorists that occupy the region I described. Diplomacy obviously has not worked in the slightest. Putting our troops on the ground will only lead to a never-ending guerrilla warfare - we learned that from the Soviet invasion several years back.
The act of war in itself is disgusting as it is. Even more offensive and disgusting are the terrorist groups festering in that region and planning attacks on both of our nations. It's not a question of if - it's a question of when and how severe. And the sooner it can be quelled, the better. And by any means necessary. Whatever it takes.
At some point, we do need to do something drastic because it is obviously apparent that our nations are not taken seriously in that region.
What do you suggest be done? Sit around and hope nothing happens?
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#462079 - Tue Mar 10 2009 09:28 AM
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What a horrible idea! Instead of "allowing India to nuke Pakistan", a better option for the US would be to either
a) Destroy Pakistan's nuclear arsenal themselves or allow Israel to do it (who are eagerly waiting for the chance), or
b) Buy it from them in exchange for hard cash, which they desparately need to save their economy.
Something needs to be done about these nuclear weapons. Half of Pakistan has been already taken over by the Taliban. It won't be long before the nuclear weapons fall in the hands of the Taliban one day. And on that day, the world will see the horror of another Hiroshima. And it is we Indians who will be at the receiving end!
What is shocking is the attitude of the Obama administration, which is now talking about a good taliban and a bad taliban. How can there a good Taliban? This is the mother organisation for the Al-Qaeda. There is no way the Taliban can be good.
I am with you on this. India, the US, and the UK are all at risk from these extremists. They need to be firmly rooted out but how? Like I said above, the Soviets tried a ground war in that region and that ended disastrously.
I am not sure money is a solution. The US has been buying off Pakistan for years now and it has had no effect whatsoever. There is just too much hatred in those countries towards us.
Is that a war Israel would be willing to fight? They have a lot of enemies in that region already and too many fronts could spread them quite thin. However, I know they do have a very ruthless will to do whatever is necessary for survival and understandably so.
It all is a terrible problem and there really is no easy solution. However, sitting around and praying something doesn't happen will surely not solve anything.
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#462080 - Tue Mar 10 2009 09:30 AM
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I also find the above post by Schoonie101 to be very offensive. Would a moderator please remove it?
I apologize if you all find it offensive but what do you suggest be done about the situation in that part of the world - which WILL arrive in our part of the world before too long?
I admit I went a little purposely over the top but it IS an option that should be discussed. I don't think any of us want to see innocent people die. However, there are factions over there that have absolutely zero qualms about that on our end. You can maintain the moral right but it doesn't do you much good if you're dead.
Edited by Schoonie101 (Tue Mar 10 2009 09:37 AM)
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#462082 - Tue Mar 10 2009 09:42 AM
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I feel Schoonie101's post should not be deleted. Let there be more discussions about nuclear war, so people can underestand the implications. There has been one Hiroshoma/Nagasaki and there shouldn't be another again!
There are a number of hardliners in India also who talk glibly of nuking Pakistan. One issue is the majority of innocent Pakistanis who would lose their lives. The second issue is the radiation fallout of such a nuclear attack, it would probably destroy a major part of North India and also innocent people in Afghanistan, Russia and China will be affected.
Nuclear weapons are only a deterrent and hopefully they should never be used. Most importantly, they should never be in the hands of unstable and rogue states.
Thanks, deepakmr.
At least now we have the extreme options out on the table - nuclear war and appeasement diplomacy.
Like you said, the fallout would be a concern for India as it would end up drifting right back over India. Kind of defeats the purpose. And yes, Hiroshima/Nagasaki was terrible but keep in mind that the Tokyo firebombings killed even more people. And no, that is not a justification. However, if it comes down to an us vs. them, I'd prefer that it be our side that prevails in the end.
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#462083 - Tue Mar 10 2009 10:05 AM
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The U.S. is in a horrid recession which is, for all intents and purposes, going to quickly turn into another Great Depression, something I never thought I would have to live through in my lifetime.
deepak, I honestly don't know how we would 'buy up' Pakistan's nuclear weapons and quite frankly, we have no business even considering it to begin with. I am beyond shocked at the measures Obama is now taking as far as entering into relations with the Taliban. I will not state my feelings fully because I value my account here.
I value human lives far more though. I realize that Schoonie went way over the top posting what he did, but I can see where he is coming from. I do not agree with 'nuking' any country, but I am also not naive enough to think that there are those who just do not care nor will they hesitate to do whatever they feel necessary to strengthen their own [perceived] position in the world. I am also 100% against the U.S. traipsing off into yet another country thinking that we will change the way they live. Sorry to say, deepak, but America cannot even take care of it's own, let alone save your people/country or anyone else's. We are at our weakest and I truly fear, because they know it too, that Schoonie is correct - this will arrive on our doorstep and other countries' also.
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#462084 - Tue Mar 10 2009 10:49 AM
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Are people offended by Schoonie's post because of what he's suggested, or because the language he used might be regarded as gung-ho?
I hope the post will stay because removing it will be tantamount to saying that there are certain topics we mustn't discuss; we must walk on eggshells: and removing it would disrupt the flow of a vigorous and intelligent debate.
And I do hope that President Obama isn't giving the Taliban his ear. Before he was elected, a lot of his detractors were pointing out that he had long-established ties to Islam, something which might present a problem for a President in a non-Muslim country. Let's hope that their fears were ill-founded. The alternative is too terrifying to contemplate.
Will I be nuked if I dare offer the opinion that there are (even) more important things than cricket?
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#462085 - Tue Mar 10 2009 11:19 AM
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The thread is being close as this is FUNtrivia and there is nothing fun about discussing 'nuking' people. We do not have a Controversial Issues forum any longer and so this topic isn't suited to this site. By all means discuss it, but not here.
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