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#462478 - Fri Mar 06 2009 07:35 PM Lost
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Any lost fans out there? Are you as confused as I am about the new season? Any theories?

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#462479 - Tue Mar 10 2009 01:32 PM Re: Lost
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Hi lahistory! Yes, I'm a fan of Lost. I like the whole "unstuck in time" thing this season, but (of course) they've just opened up more questions. Why does the island "need" anybody to fix the time skipping thing? How could the castaways have been in the island's past - and, in particular, with the Dharma initiative people - without leaving some trace of themselves for their later castaway selves to find and puzzle over? And what's up with that huge statue? I REALLY want to know!

Right now, I'm just going with the flow and hoping that some things will become clearer with "time" (pun intended). In the meantime - how will Sawyer handle the return of Kate?

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#462480 - Wed Mar 11 2009 01:01 AM Re: Lost
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The problem with "Lost" is if you miss a single episode, it's like missing 6 months of a soap opera! Half the time I'm totally Lost!

I like that they occasionally show re-runs with subtitled information -- it helps me figure out what I've missed!

I was hoping Sawyer would end up with Juliet -- I don't like the way Kate bounces back and forth between Sawyer and Jack. It should make it interesting now that Kate's back!

Question: These particular Dharma people who Sawyer's with when Kate, Jack, etc. return are in the past, right?
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#462481 - Wed Mar 11 2009 01:18 PM Re: Lost
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Question: These particular Dharma people who Sawyer's with when Kate, Jack, etc. return are in the past, right?




That's my sense of it - the van is still working, not at a bottom of a hill with a skeleton in it. It seems to be pre-Ben Dharma (since he killed them all later, right?). It does explain how the Others knew a lot about the castaways in season 1 and 2 etc., that the castaways showed up in the past while the Dharma people were still around.

Gee this is hard to talk about - time loops give me a headache .

Now, if they are supposed to be in the 70's (which Juliet indicated while talking to Sawyer, I think), where are the love beads and tie-dye t-shirts? Or disco balls ... he he he.

Is lost a repeat in the U S tonight?

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#462482 - Wed Mar 11 2009 11:01 PM Re: Lost
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I like that Lost is complicated, but sometimes it's a little too complicated!

I was not bummed that Lost was a repeat tonight, since American Idol was on at 9pm. Looks like I'm gonna have that conflict again this season!

I was wondering if when the others magically transported out of the plane (or however they got there this time) if John would be alive again since his body was on the plane. But, wait...if it's the 70's now, then he's not dead yet, anyway!
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#462483 - Thu Mar 12 2009 10:51 AM Re: Lost
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I like that Lost is complicated, but sometimes it's a little too complicated!




LOL - so true. I'm terribly confused about where Locke is now, but I'd expect him to be revived like Jack's dad. Whether in the past or in the future is a question. Also, does it count that they didn't bring back the baby, Aaron? Does the island need him?

But isn't it fun to speculate?

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#462484 - Fri Mar 13 2009 09:36 PM Re: Lost
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I was confused about that, too, since supposedly they needed the entire Oceanic 6 to come back. Do we know why Kate no longer has Aaron, or is that another mystery that will be unraveled later? (I missed the episode right before the one in which Jack discovers Kate doesn't have Aaron anymore.)

I only catch about every other episode, which is why I'm always so confused. I don't feel too bad about that, since it seems that a lot of folks who watch every episode are still confused!

Another question: Did Jack ever tell Kate that he found out Claire is his sister?

I hope I don't ask too many questions during this discourse, but I missed almost all of last year, so there are probably a lot of basic, non-confusing things I'm confused about.

Sometimes the time loops give me a headache, too, Ysmay -- I find it's exacerbated by the fact that Lost was already a show that leaped around rather wildly in time -- and now they've added people who are leaping around rather wildly in time -- and even they don't know "when" they are sometimes! So how am I supposed to keep up with it?
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#462485 - Sat Mar 14 2009 05:45 PM Re: Lost
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I am a big Lost fan, and yes, I'm confused most of the time! I think Kate hid Aaron with someone, because those men came to her door demanding a blood sample...

Off topic: I have to say Starfish Two, that is one of the best Avatars I've ever seen! It just facinates me!
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#462486 - Sat Mar 14 2009 10:45 PM Re: Lost
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I wish I had taped this season so I could go back and look at the episodes again. Maybe I could get un-confused (or maybe not ;-D ).

I don't think Kate knows that Claire is Jack's sister, unless I missed that somewhere. I don't remember them having that conversation.

Sometimes I wonder if the writers/producers know what's going on - they're supposed to have something in mind, but I'm not so sure...

BTW, don't you think the characters on the island are being very un-curious about the source of the black smoke monster? I mean, yes, they have to swallow time travel, random polar bears, and other weird things, but they seem to have taken that weird thing a little calmly. What the heck is it and how did it get there? It hides in a cave like a dragon? You can let it go from a Dharma station???? Did the Dharma guys invent the smoke monster? Or does is belong to the time of the "big statue people without enough toes"? Inquiring minds want to know ...

I hope they answer some of these things before the end. I'd almost rather have the answer to these things than to who Kate ends up with .. almost.

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#462487 - Sat Mar 14 2009 11:36 PM Re: Lost
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Maybe Jack didn't want Kate to know Aaron is his nephew, for some reason.

Sometimes I wonder how the producers keep it all straight, too. Looking back now, the first season seemed nice and simple, when each week they flashed back to a different castaway's life pre-Island and slowly gave us the back story on each person. J.J. Abrams also produced Alias, and that was another show that completely reinvented itself with each new season. Lost seems to be following the same pattern.

The smoke monster dates back to Season 1 or 2, doesn't it? Seems like it killed someone (the science teacher guy?) a long time ago.
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#462488 - Mon Mar 16 2009 01:23 PM Re: Lost
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J.J. Abrams also produced Alias, and that was another show that completely reinvented itself with each new season. Lost seems to be following the same pattern.





It does, doesn't it? Some seasons were better than others. This current one is one of my favorites, so far. I wasn't all that fond of "the Oceanic 6" stuff. I'd much rather learn more about the island mysteries.


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The smoke monster dates back to Season 1 or 2, doesn't it? Seems like it killed someone (the science teacher guy?) a long time ago.




The smoke monster has been around the whole time - it was what grabbed the Oceanic pilot in the first episode. We didn't actually see it until much later (I'm not sure which season), but the last season or 2 we've seen it actually grab people (Locke?) and try to haul them into a cave. And last season we saw Ben "release" the smoke monster from a Dharma station. I'm just really curious about its origin - it's weird in the way that the statue is weird. Time travel and magnetic anomalies could possibly be "natural" (if weird) phenomena, but the statue and the smoke monster would probably have to be created - and they sure don't look like they were created by humans. So, for me, that's the fascinating stuff I want to know. Aliens? Early earth civilizations? Other dimensions? The island does seem to be out of phase somehow with the rest of the planet, but the statue and monster suggests a little more lies in the history of the island (or its future?) besides its tenuous connection to our space-time. (End of geek SF fangrl rant).

So that's what keeps me watching and this season, we're getting some more glimpses. Yay. But the nice thing about shows like Lost is there's something for everyone!

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#462489 - Wed Mar 18 2009 12:25 AM Re: Lost
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Well, I'm hoping they clear up all the mysteries in the end. They say Lost will end in May 2010, which doesn't give them a lot of time, considering how many little mysteries there are.

The writers have done a good job at surprising us so far, so I expect the finale to be equably memorable!

Question: What happened to Rose and Bernard and the rest of the minor-character survivors? Suddenly it seemed there were only the Oceanic 6 and Sawyer and his little band.
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#462490 - Wed Mar 18 2009 02:00 AM Re: Lost
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The writers have done a good job at surprising us so far, so I expect the finale to be equably memorable!




I'm hoping for this too - and pretty confident we'll get it. I have a bit of faith that all will be revealed in the end.


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Question: What happened to Rose and Bernard and the rest of the minor-character survivors? Suddenly it seemed there were only the Oceanic 6 and Sawyer and his little band.




Ooh - good question. What exactly did happen to all the other survivors. I feel like I should know this, since I've definitely watched it all, but I just don't recall. Didn't some get killed when the guys with the fire arrows attacked the camp? Or was this a different bunch? Hmmm.

By the way, does anybody else miss Charlie?

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#462491 - Tue Mar 24 2009 01:39 PM Re: Lost
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I did think some survivors got killed with the fire arrows, but I didn't think it was any character that actually had a name.

Characters like Rose and Bernard have had a way of fading into the background and then popping up again. But now it seems that the only people who ever existed were the Oceanic 6 and the small group remaining with Sawyer (some of which arrived on the island post-crash), so I'm really confused about that. There were 40-something survivors originally (not even counting the tail-section folks, I'm thinking) so it seems an awful lot of people have vanished into thin air.

Perhaps that, along with about a thousand other things, will be explained before this thing's over.

I do miss Charlie. I've never before seen a show that killed off so many core characters. I'd much rather them have killed off Desmond at the Looking Glass.

What happened to Claire? Is she dead or just missing?
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#462492 - Tue Mar 24 2009 09:05 PM Re: Lost
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I'd much rather them have killed off Desmond at the Looking Glass.




I heartily agree. I understand that they need him as some kind of key to the whole thing - the relationship between him, Penny and Penny's dad is supposedly tied up with the island's mysteries. But he's a far less appealing character, in my opinion, than Charlie was.


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What happened to Claire? Is she dead or just missing?




I think we're not supposed to know. Gee, now I'm wondering where my head was when I watched all this before. I can't even remember the episode where she was there last. I remember her and her (and Jack's) dad lounging in that spooky cabin, but that was after she was dead/missing.

Y'know, it wasn't really the Oceanic 6, was it? It was really the Oceanic 6.5 or the Oceanic 7 (depending on how you think about Sun's baby) who left the island. Neither baby has ended up there on an island on which women can't have babies without dying. I wonder what's going on there.

I may have to go back and watch last season somehow. The more I think, the more it hurts.

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#462493 - Wed Mar 25 2009 10:25 PM Re: Lost
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Remember in Season 1, the psychic told Claire that great evil would come to her baby if she wasn't the one to raise him. Well, she's not raising him now...

I wonder why Sun was so willing to go back to the island and leave her child behind. I know she was anxious to find out about Jin, but I would think she'd choose her child over that.

I've been showing my boyfriend Season 1 at abc.com. Their viewer is quite problematic and we have to quit our browser and start over at the end of every episode (on our computer, at least), but you can watch all the shows there.

Also, on the abc site, there was an ad for Lost, and it said "What is the smoke monster?", "What happened to Rose and Bernard?", so I guess it's part of the mystery yet to be solved.

My boyfriend's hooked now, so I guess we'll be slowly watching the entire Lost experience and I'm hoping I'll pick up on some things I missed the first time. (That is, if he doesn't cheat and watch some without me while I'm at work!)

Re-watching Season 1, I'm reminded how, despite all the mysteries introduced, how much simpler the plot was back then -- trying to figure it all out didn't make my head hurt at all!
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#462494 - Fri Apr 03 2009 08:52 PM Re: Lost
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I miss Charlie badly. Charlie was my favorite, my pet. The reason I kept watching the show... yeah, I have issues.

I am so confused, and yet I keep watching... I have no idea why.

I am going to buy the series though, and re-watch them. Hopefully, I'll catch stuff I missed!
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#462495 - Fri Apr 03 2009 09:42 PM Re: Lost
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I finally caught up with my "Lost" watching, so I can join the discussion on this thread now :-)

I think the current season is turning out to be really interesting. The time-travel elements raise many possibilities for many of the still unanswered questions of the show. For instance, it would be mind-boggling if one of the mysterious characters in the present time turned out to be one of the Oceanic 6 who got stuck on the island in the Seventies. Christian Shepherd could turn out to be Jack aged 30 years, or "Jacob" could turn out to be, well, anyone.

And I'm sure that Rose and Bernard will show up again in due course. There's no sense in flying the two actors out to Hawaii just to have them stand around in the background - the show's still focusing on what happened to the main characters. I'm still waiting to find out how Hurley came to be on that plane to Guam. Guess that will be covered in an upcoming episode?

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#462496 - Sat Apr 04 2009 03:42 AM Re: Lost
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I finally caught up with my "Lost" watching, so I can join the discussion on this thread now :-)




LOL - me too jmorrow. I was a couple weeks behind, but they were good weeks. Whoa - now I might go back and watch some earlier episodes (I taped them the first couple seasons) because I want to see what they've already told us about Ben's upbringing. Was that Season 2 or 3? Did they mention that he was raised by the Others (if he is)? Am I correct in remembering that there was a gap between what we learned of his childhood and the acts he took later, killing all the Dharma people?

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Remember in Season 1, the psychic told Claire that great evil would come to her baby if she wasn't the one to raise him. Well, she's not raising him now...




Did the psychic say evil would come to the child, or that the child would be evil? Another thing to go back and check .

This time-travel thing is making me even more confused than Hurley (I loved that part, though - who's the dimwit? ). And do we have any clues as to who the Others are? I'm trying to remember what Danielle said about them (although I guess it's hard to trust anything she said since she was crazy). When Richard went to the building with little Ben, I half expected them to beam somewhere.

And what was up with Sawyer letting them drug Sayid? I get that he didn't have a whole lot of choice, but did he really want to make an enemy of Sayid??? That's not a good thing to be. Any idea why Sayid wouldn't just go along with Sawyer's original suggestion that he play defector and join the Dharma folk? Not that I think that would have been fun for Sayid, but why would he reject a (seemingly) sensible plan?

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I'm still waiting to find out how Hurley came to be on that plane to Guam. Guess that will be covered in an upcoming episode?




Since they've just shown us how Sayid got there, my guess is they will cover Hurley's story at some point this season.

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I wonder why Sun was so willing to go back to the island and leave her child behind. I know she was anxious to find out about Jin, but I would think she'd choose her child over that.




I was wondering that, too. What on earth would compel her to leave her baby? There must be something other than looking for Jin that compelled her to go back. My swiss cheesey memory is blank as to what info we got about Sun's return.

Maybe I should start taking notes, although I guess it's a little late now .

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#462497 - Sat Apr 04 2009 04:15 AM Re: Lost
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Not that I think that would have been fun for Sayid, but why would he reject a (seemingly) sensible plan?




Don't forget, Sayid was just done with being Ben's puppet for goodness knows how long, so he probably didn't relish the thought of having to keep up a masquerade which would possibly involve him taking direction from Sawyer. Sayid has always been his own man - were it not for his need for vengeance, he would never have taken orders from Ben after his wife died.

I've always liked how the flashbacks inform us of the possible motivation behind the character's actions. Like in the latest episode where Kate intervenes to try and save Ben's life - her behaviour made more sense in the context of having to give Aaron up.

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What on earth would compel her to leave her baby? There must be something other than looking for Jin that compelled her to go back.




I've decided not to overthink the possible reasons why Kate and Sun didn't bring the children back to the island with them. Being the cynic that I am, I think that this was done to make it easier for the writers. I figure that the children won't advance the storyline on the island very much, and would likely just pose problems or get in the way, so the easiest thing to do would be to leave them behind. I mean, how do you trick the Dharma Initiative into thinking that a 3-year-old is a new recruit?

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#462498 - Sat Apr 04 2009 11:45 AM Re: Lost
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I've decided not to overthink the possible reasons why Kate and Sun didn't bring the children back to the island with them. Being the cynic that I am, I think that this was done to make it easier for the writers.




LOL - yeah, that's sort of what I decided about the Sayid question after I posted last night. If he stayed with the Dharma people, how would that advance the plot? Much more interesting to have him shoot Ben and go rogue. More fun than having him in the motor pool. Now will Sayid become the crazy guy in the woods? That could be interesting ...

Unfortunately, I suspect that Sayid has actually started Ben on his evil way, since he ends up with the Others and "loses his innocence," whatever that means.

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...where Kate intervenes to try and save Ben's life - her behaviour made more sense in the context of having to give Aaron up.




Oh yeah - that does make more sense.

So, who would have let Ben die and who agrees that he's still just a kid and should be saved? It's the old "would you kill Hitler as a baby" scenario.

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#462499 - Sat Apr 04 2009 02:08 PM Re: Lost
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I would have let him live. I still don't see what's so evil about Ben, when in his mindset, he's just trying to protect what's his (except for gassing all the Dharma people - that was horrible).

I have no "LOST" theories, except that the whole scenario is a big hallucination of Hurley's. So I will just let y'all talk and pipe in every now and then
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#462500 - Mon Apr 27 2009 03:43 PM Re: Lost
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This show is one of the most addicting ever.

Last week I watched Season 1-3, and yesterday I finished Season 4, all except the last couple of episodes.

My dad and Starfishtwo went to go get me the last disc, so hopefully I will get parts of what everyones talking about, but this forum just clicked in my mind and now things are fitting together! It's pretty exciting.

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Why do you think Claire would get up in the middle of the night, take Aaron and set him on that tree not too far from their camp, and then walk off? Why would she not take him with her or leave him with Sawyer and Miles that way she knows he's safe?

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Did the island bring back Claire and Jack's dad, or is that like a ghost/imagination thing?
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#462501 - Mon Apr 27 2009 03:58 PM Re: Lost
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I think the island definately brought Jack's dad back the same way it brought Locke back. He's probably 'Jacob'.

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#462502 - Tue Apr 28 2009 01:59 AM Re: Lost
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I don't know about Jack's dad being Jacob, although I guess it could happen. I'm thinking "Jacob" is going to be something altogether different. Remember when Locke was at the cabin and heard Jacob but there was nothing visible there and Ben was surprised that John could hear him? It was sooo creepy!! Maybe Jacob and the smoke monster are the same - no, I really don't think that's the case - the smoke monster appears to be an instrument of whatever the island is really about.

I think I picked the wrong season to stop recording the episodes of Lost - there's been a lot more going on this season that the last two (tarnation). Now I wish I could just go back and re-watch the bits about the other (non-Dharma) "Others". But I guess it'll be out on DVD soon.

If this island has some kind of mastery over time, that may be how they can manipulate the dead/not dead thing. Or Jacob is a god. The statue had to have some purpose. Given the number of toes, I think the island is from the Simpsons' .

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